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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44931.msg1359496#msg1359496 date=1309787669]
Everyone can suck my chod

downing will be great for us
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if we get him :🙂
 
[quote author=Lewy link=topic=44931.msg1359498#msg1359498 date=1309787724]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44931.msg1359496#msg1359496 date=1309787669]
Everyone can suck my chod

downing will be great for us
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if we get him :🙂
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*lashes out in a hysterical manner*
 
[quote author=ILD link=topic=44931.msg1359474#msg1359474 date=1309785568]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=44931.msg1359420#msg1359420 date=1309780398]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44931.msg1359418#msg1359418 date=1309780314]
Why weren't all of those suggesting this is a good move suggesting this 2, 12, 24 months ago then?
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Just out of interest, did you think signing Suarez was a good idea 24 months ago Ryan?
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It's not really the same is it? Suarez was an unknown quantity in this league and there was some fears whether he would adapt, settle etc. I was still excited as fuck after watching him in the world cup and countless youtube vids but didn't expect him to explode onto the scene for us straight away. We know all about Downing, we've seen him week in week out and know what he'll bring us. Balance, plenty of crosses and will chip in with a few assists etc. I'm not sure he is capable of having a similar impact to Luis. He'll improve us but won't lift us like Suarez has shown he can. I think the fee is the reason there is doom and gloom surrounding Downing.
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Very good post mate.

I think Suarez is jaundicing people TBH. Cos he's come in & far exceeded most expectations he's become a benchmark.

The fact is had he failed people would be saying we need to buy consistency & solid reliable proven players, not risking. As he was a success everyone assumes there's plenty more untapped riches.

The fact is there isn't. Suarez wouldve gone to spurs if they didn't have VDV already. Wingers are more sought after than any other type of player so it's much less likely to find one cheaply or that isn't being courted by clubs pushing the price up.

Why do you think as a club we've stolen so many young wingers from other clubs over the last few years?!
 
Simple fact is that seeing as we haven't a single winger at the club to provide crosses for our expensive big target man, downing is worth more to us than to most other clubs.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44931.msg1359418#msg1359418 date=1309780314]
Why weren't all of those suggesting this is a good move suggesting this 2, 12, 24 months ago then?
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Just out of interest, did you think signing Suarez was a good idea 24 months ago Ryan?
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It's not really the same is it? Suarez was an unknown quantity in this league and there was some fears whether he would adapt, settle etc. I was still excited as fuck after watching him in the world cup and countless youtube vids but didn't expect him to explode onto the scene for us straight away. We know all about Downing, we've seen him week in week out and know what he'll bring us. Balance, plenty of crosses and will chip in with a few assists etc. I'm not sure he is capable of having a similar impact to Luis. He'll improve us but won't lift us like Suarez has shown he can. I think the fee is the reason there is doom and gloom surrounding Downing.
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Very good post mate.

I think Suarez is jaundicing people TBH. Cos he's come in & far exceeded most expectations he's become a benchmark.

The fact is had he failed people would be saying we need to buy consistency & solid reliable proven players, not risking. As he was a success everyone assumes there's plenty more untapped riches.

The fact is there isn't.
Suarez wouldve gone to spurs if they didn't have VDV already. Wingers are more sought after than any other type of player so it's much less likely to find one cheaply or that isn't being courted by clubs pushing the price up.

Why do you think as a club we've stolen so many young wingers from other clubs over the last few years?!
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I dont understand what you are talking about, particularly your point in bold - what, anywhere?

So we dont sign anyone unless we know theyre a shoo-in success? Meaning we dont ever sign anyone ever again...
 
Downing would be a decent signing for us, but I would be disappointed if we paid over £15M for him.

Again, I reckon there would be better value on the continent. But at least the signing of Downing makes more sense then the one of Henderson. That was a weird start to the window.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44931.msg1359233#msg1359233 date=1309727484]
Shrewd operators...shreeewd operators.
Maybe we should get Sade to close the deal.
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Good one :laugh:
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Could have kept it going, you know
 
According to L'Equipe Villa an Fulham want N'Gog. Maybe we can use him tower the fee then..
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44931.msg1359716#msg1359716 date=1309812481]
According to L'Equipe Villa an Fulham want N'Gog. Maybe we can use him tower the fee then..
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Like Henderson? Or was it just rumours?
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44931.msg1359716#msg1359716 date=1309812481]
According to L'Equipe Villa an Fulham want N'Gog. Maybe we can use him tower the fee then..
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Have a feeling N'gog will still be with us next season.
 
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44931.msg1359699#msg1359699 date=1309811146][quote author=themn link=topic=44931.msg1359363#msg1359363 date=1309774036][quote author=RolandG link=topic=44931.msg1359346#msg1359346 date=1309771807][quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44931.msg1359233#msg1359233 date=1309727484]Shrewd operators...shreeewd operators. Maybe we should get Sade to close the deal.[/quote]
Good one :laugh:[/quote]

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Could have kept it going, you know[/quote]

No.
Someone had to put an end to the madness.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44931.msg1359418#msg1359418 date=1309780314]
Why weren't all of those suggesting this is a good move suggesting this 2, 12, 24 months ago then?
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Just out of interest, did you think signing Suarez was a good idea 24 months ago Ryan?
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No, because I knew fuck all about him. 6 months ago when we were linked with him, I quite liekd the idea cos he'd been a star in the World Cup and had banged in goals for Ajax. It's subsequently proved a masterstroke.

Downing, I didn't want 24 months ago, 6 months ago, and won't want him in 24 months time either cos he's never been a star for anyone.

What's your next question?
 
There was a lad on the radio earlier saying that we have agreed deals for Mata, Downing and Adam but we arent going to sign them until later in the window as we would be paying the best part of 2m a month on their wages before they could even play games.
Apparantly we want to sell some of our lads first rather than increase our wage outlay now.

Dunno i its true but its sensible i spose.
 
Pretty sure we want to sell some of the muck, but not really buying the delay in deals bit tbh.

We could have always had the contracts signed by now to take effect from August.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44931.msg1359810#msg1359810 date=1309823363]
There was a lad on the radio earlier saying that we have agreed deals for Mata, Downing and Adam but we arent going to sign them until later in the window as we would be paying the best part of 2m a month on their wages before they could even play games.
Apparantly we want to sell some of our lads first rather than increase our wage outlay now.

Dunno i its true but its sensible i spose.

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There's a lad* on the internet saying we haven't signed anyone decent because a) we're not as attratcive a proposition to players as we think we are, and b) cos we're currently paying millions monthly to shitcunts that we can't offload.




* me.
 
Ryan is on fire atm.

Can't say that I agree regarding Aquilani but he's pretty much spot on about the rest.
 
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44931.msg1359812#msg1359812 date=1309823489]
Pretty sure we want to sell some of the muck, but not really buying the delay in deals bit tbh.

We could have always had the contracts signed by now to take effect from August.
[/quote]Eh? How would that work? Seriously how?
Which team would agree to that? Yeah we'll keep paying em and train em for you....

Come on Av!
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44931.msg1359816#msg1359816 date=1309823608]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44931.msg1359810#msg1359810 date=1309823363]
There was a lad on the radio earlier saying that we have agreed deals for Mata, Downing and Adam but we arent going to sign them until later in the window as we would be paying the best part of 2m a month on their wages before they could even play games.
Apparantly we want to sell some of our lads first rather than increase our wage outlay now.

Dunno i its true but its sensible i spose.

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There's a lad* on the internet saying we haven't signed anyone decent because a) we're not as attratcive a proposition to players as we think we are, and b) cos we're currently paying millions monthly to shitcunts that we can't offload.




* me.
[/quote]Yeah probs.
 
Aston Villa reject £15m Downing offer to add to Liverpool’s frustration

Iain Liddle
Updated 25 minutes ago

Liverpool’s latest attempt to show their ambition in the transfer market has resulted in frustration after Aston Villa turned down an improved offer of £15 million for Stewart Downing.

Kenny Dalglish, the Liverpool manager, has already suffered setbacks in his efforts to strengthen his squad at Anfield in the summer transfer window, including having an initial bid of £12 million for Downing rejected by the Midlands club.

But although Villa have privately and reluctantly accepted that they are unlikely to be able to keep hold of Downing beyond this summer, they are continuing to hold out for a fee in the region of £20 million for the left-sided midfield player. That valuation is based on the improvement that Villa believe Downing has made since joining from Middlesbrough for £12 million two years ago and the 26-year-old’s growing stature in Fabio Capello’s England squad.

But despite reports of interest in the player from Arsenal, Liverpool have the field to themselves and remain hopeful that a compromise can be reached on the fee, particularly as Downing, who recently entered the final two years of his contract, has made it clear that he is unwilling to commit his future to Villa.

Paul Faulkner, Villa’s chief executive, recently attempted to open talks about a potential new deal with Struan Marshall, Downing’s representative, only to be informed that the club’s player of the year wanted to keep his options open in the belief, later confirmed publicly by Downing, that he is “at a major crossroads” in his career.

Liverpool remain his favoured option but the determination of Randy Lerner, the Villa owner, to extract the highest possible fee from the sale means that Downing could be forced to submit a transfer request when he returns to pre-season training next week.

Having already sanctioned the sale of Ashley Young to Manchester United for £15 million during a turbulent summer in which Alex McLeish, the former Birmingham City manager, was controversially appointed as the successor to Gérard Houllier despite protests from fans, Lerner is acutely aware of the need to get the best deal for the club. But he also recognises the possible ramifications of retaining the services of a player who is keen to leave.

One possibility is that David Ngog will be used as a makeweight in the deal. The French forward is valued at £8 million by Liverpool and was close to joining Sunderland last month only for the transfer to collapse because of the player’s personal terms.

McLeish is keen to add more fire power to his squad because of Villa’s over-reliance on Darren Bent and is understood to be open to the idea of recruiting Ngog, who has fallen down the pecking order following the arrivals of Andy Carroll and Luis Suárez in January.

Liverpool are determined to sign Downing as soon as possible after seeing a number of transfer targets, including Phil Jones, Connor Wickham and Brad Friedel, end up at rival clubs. With Milan Jovanovic having been informed that he is free to seek a move away from Anfield after a poor debut season, Dalglish sees strengthening the left-midfield position as crucial, hence their continuing interest in Downing.

As things stand, Liverpool are set to embark on a pre-season tour of Asia at the weekend without a single new recruit in their squad.

Jordan Henderson remains the sole addition and the former Sunderland midfield player will not be in the party that visits South China, Malaysia and Singapore as a result of his belated return to training following his involvement in the European Under-21 Championship with England.

Steven Gerrard will also be absent after Liverpool decided that their captain’s recovery from groin surgery would be best served by continuing his rehabilitation programme at Melwood, the club’s training ground.

“I’m sure there will be supporters disappointed that Steven is unable to be with us in Asia, but I’m sure the same people will appreciate the importance of Steven giving himself the best possible opportunity of being fit to play against Sunderland on the opening day of the new campaign,” Dalglish said.
 
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[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=44931.msg1360296#msg1360296 date=1309900950]
Ngog is worth at least £5m

So £15m + ngog should be our tops offer.
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I agree
 
Sky sports running with the story that we've had a £15 million bid rejected, thats according to their "sources".

Is their source Twitter, cos its been up there for ages!
 
[quote author=Villafan link=topic=44931.msg1360346#msg1360346 date=1309906745]
£15M is an insult. £20m minimum.
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[quote author=Villafan link=topic=44931.msg1360346#msg1360346 date=1309906745]
you think he's worth more than ashley young?
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[quote author=Villafan link=topic=44931.msg1360346#msg1360346 date=1309906745]
With two years left on his contract compared to Ashley Young's 12 months? Yes. Yes I do.
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[quote author=Villafan link=topic=44931.msg1360346#msg1360346 date=1309906745]
I agree with the Rev. Regular England international or squad member at the very least. Two years left on his contract, not one, like Ashley Young, our player of the year, aged 26, left footed, consistant player. It's at least twenty million. The only thing I would add is that we are accepting that he's going, when we should be fighting it. Accepting we want 20 mill, is, well, accepting.
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[quote author=Villafan link=topic=44931.msg1360346#msg1360346 date=1309906745]
Well one thing appears certain & thats he is deffo off! I mean as the saying goes there is no smoke without fire & lets face it there's so much smoke here Benson & Hedges could go bust!

Lets face it if he was staying there would've surely been a club statement by now?

As for the price 15m? are they for real? As stated he still has 2 years left on the pointless bit of paper entitled "contract". At least it would be pointless if we let him leave for that amount.

Current England international, right age, creative attacking player who always fetch top dollar, no injury concerns etc etc etc... They want the guy & they are bidding with little or no bargaining position as they are not in Europe either so i'm sorry but we are absolutely daft if we let him go for that..especially if N'Gog is part of the deal.
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[quote author=Villafan link=topic=44931.msg1360346#msg1360346 date=1309906745]
Surely the board must realise that maybe we need to sign a replacement for Downing and then sell him off? it would look terrible if we sold both and replaced them afterwards imo.. plus i'd feel much more confident knowing a replacement is already here
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[quote author=Villafan link=topic=44931.msg1360346#msg1360346 date=1309906745]
To really piss them off....We should demand £20m...no less....(remember we are under no obligation to sell)....Yes, funds may be needed. But demand £20m & ask for Agger as a sweetner....Then we can wipe our hands clean of Downing.....AND AGGER DO DO DO DO!!
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[quote author=Villafan link=topic=44931.msg1360346#msg1360346 date=1309906745]
The times is also saying that AMc is understood to be open to the idea of recruiting Ngog."The actual wording in The Times re big Dave is: "One possibility is that David Ngog will be used as a makeweight in the deal." NO WAY!
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[quote author=Villafan link=topic=44931.msg1360346#msg1360346 date=1309906745]
NO NGOG!!!!
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[quote author=Villafan link=topic=44931.msg1360346#msg1360346 date=1309906745]
And no to Nig Nog!
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[quote author=Villafan link=topic=44931.msg1360346#msg1360346 date=1309906745]
Nig Nog? Really? You fucking prick.
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[quote author=Villafan link=topic=44931.msg1360346#msg1360346 date=1309906745]
Too right, you might be living in the 1970s in an episode of Love thy fucking neighbour Maradona10 but I'm fucking not. I think an apology is warranted
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You already know my stance. Sure £15 Million not a penny more. Not even Ngog.
I'd offer them £10 Million + Ngog.

If they still want silly money for him we should just move on.
I'm starting to believe "Bernowatson's" theory about us making ourselves look like mugs...
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44931.msg1360353#msg1360353 date=1309909089]
What about £15m and 1p if I pay the 1p?
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Well in that case...
 
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