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spider-Neil

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I remember ryan posting not so long again (paraphrasing) 'if you don't rate dirk kuyt you know nothing about football' well to confirm what the forum has known for years I know nothing about football because I definately don't rate dirk kuyt.

the obvious retort will be 'well, you rate ryan babel' no, I don't 'rate' ryan babel I 'defend' ryan babel, there's a difference. I just feel he would have been further along in his developement if he'd been played in his FORMATIVE years, the years that define a player, but I digress...

back to dirk kuyt, seriously, how many slumps in one season can a player have? every single fucking season there is an extended period of time where he absolutely stinks the place out, actually a better question is 'how many slumps in a season can a player have and yet still he never gets dropped'. dirk is pretty much never hooked, why?

dirk is definately a trier he will give every ounce to the cause regardless of form but wouldn't the team be better served if someone else was given a go everytime dirk has one of his slumps (which is frankly often)? dirk has chipped in with a fair few goals but wouldn't the team be better served with someone who doesn't score anywhere near as much (young, valencia, park) but creates far and I'm not even talking direct assists I'm talking by their ability to take people on and their ability to strecth teams. the long and the short of it is I'm fed up of kuyt's perpetual slumps and I'm fed up of him playing through those slumps on the pitch.
 
Dirk's pretty awful spidey. And especially in the categories some of us hold the highest, such as technique, comfort on the ball, speed of thought and ability to build up play quickly. But a lot of these deficiencies aren't necessary for a Striker that can score and poach multiple goals. But we're forced to deal with him in positions he is patently not suited to play in a league he has never been physically suited to . And if you can't see that Dirk Kuyt has been a huge reason for our awful form and being dropped out of the CL and maybe missing out on the top 4; you know nothing about football.
 
as in no pace, and this league demands pace from an attacking midfielder (sorry i know that isnt the only deduction from the sentence)
 
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=39275.msg1068770#msg1068770 date=1268471702]
as in no pace, and this league demands pace from an attacking midfielder (sorry i know that isnt the only deduction from the sentence)
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I agree, it's really effected his goal return and general contribution to the team over the past few years.

Epic.
 
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=39275.msg1068762#msg1068762 date=1268470999]
Dirk's pretty awful spidey. And especially in the categories some of us hold the highest, such as technique, comfort on the ball, speed of thought and ability to build up play quickly. But a lot of these deficiencies aren't necessary for a Striker that can score and poach multiple goals. But we're forced to deal with him in positions he is patently not suited to play in a league he has never been physically suited to . And if you can't see that Dirk Kuyt has been a huge reason for our awful form and being dropped out of the CL and maybe missing out on the top 4; you know nothing about football.
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What a load of cock.

Kuyt was one of the reasons we progressed so well in the CL last season and the season before.
 
And I think he's the only player to score in our last 8 away games, or something like that.

Is he great ? No. Should he get dropped when he's off form ? Yes, but only if we have a sensible,realistic option to come in for him.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39275.msg1068796#msg1068796 date=1268474926]
And I think he's the only player to score in our last 8 away games, or something like that.

Is he great ? No. Should he get dropped when he's off form ? Yes, but only if we have a sensible,realistic option to come in for him.
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surely ANYONE is better option than a player who is in a slump?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39275.msg1068802#msg1068802 date=1268476203]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39275.msg1068796#msg1068796 date=1268474926]
And I think he's the only player to score in our last 8 away games, or something like that.

Is he great ? No. Should he get dropped when he's off form ? Yes, but only if we have a sensible,realistic option to come in for him.
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surely ANYONE is better option than a player who is in a slump?
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Is this all about Babel? "He should have played more in his formative years"? He played more in his first season than he has since. He's progressively played less because he's gone nowhere. No one would argue that he doesn't deserve a go right now, but lets not kid ourselves that it's because he's done anything special, it's because we lack pace and because everyone else is playing shite, we've got nothing to lose.

Regards Kuyt, as Ross said, he's got no healthy competition so that's why he plays when not playing well. It's not fair but blame Rafa for that one. He still walks away with a good contribution each season and is a goal threat, largely when the team plays well. So he suffers when the team is in poor form, doesn't everyone? Last season he and Yossi carried us for most of it and we finished second.

I'm not trying to be a cunt, but how fickle can people be? There's XI players out there plus those in reserve and 80% of them are playing shite, including our two 'World Class' players. Yet as some means to promote your backing of Babel, you choose to slate Kuyt, again. How predictable.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39275.msg1068806#msg1068806 date=1268476715]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39275.msg1068802#msg1068802 date=1268476203]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39275.msg1068796#msg1068796 date=1268474926]
And I think he's the only player to score in our last 8 away games, or something like that.

Is he great ? No. Should he get dropped when he's off form ? Yes, but only if we have a sensible,realistic option to come in for him.
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surely ANYONE is better option than a player who is in a slump?
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Is this all about Babel? "He should have played more in his formative years"? He played more in his first season than he has since. He's progressively played less because he's gone nowhere. No one would argue that he doesn't deserve a go right now, but lets not kid ourselves that it's because he's done anything special, it's because we lack pace and because everyone else is playing shite, we've got nothing to lose.

Regards Kuyt, as Ross said, he's got no healthy competition so that's why he plays when not playing well. It's not fair but blame Rafa for that one. He still walks away with a good contribution each season and is a goal threat, largely when the team plays well. So he suffers when the team is in poor form, doesn't everyone? Last season he and Yossi carried us for most of it and we finished second.

I'm not trying to be a cunt, but how fickle can people be? There's XI players out there plus those in reserve and 80% of them are playing shite, including our two 'World Class' players. Yet as some means to promote your backing of Babel, you choose to slate Kuyt, again. How predictable.
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before I answer I want to stress this has nothing to do with babel. I'm measuring kuyt on his own merits and how you can set your watch by his slumps in form.
 
Neil, World Class players make a difference on their own, the rest work around that. Sometimes you'll draw more from them, sometimes you won't, but generally when the team plays well, they play well. Kuyt has scored crucial goals in crucial games consistently, and when he hasn't you know you can always expect him to work a sweat for the good of the team, which in turn helps those around them. Tell me another player in the side who doesn't suffer slumps in form as much as Kuyt? Torres? Gerrard? Masher? Reina?

Exactly.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39275.msg1068814#msg1068814 date=1268477406]
Neil, World Class players make a difference on their own, the rest work around that. Sometimes you'll draw more from them, sometimes you won't, but generally when the team plays well, they play well. Kuyt has scored crucial goals in crucial games consistently, and when he hasn't you know you can always expect him to work a sweat for the good of the team, which in turn helps those around them. Tell me another player in the side who doesn't suffer slumps in form as much as Kuyt? Torres? Gerrard? Masher? Reina?

Exactly.
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do the players you listed have slumps in form as regularly and often as kuyt?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39275.msg1068843#msg1068843 date=1268478659]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39275.msg1068814#msg1068814 date=1268477406]
Neil, World Class players make a difference on their own, the rest work around that. Sometimes you'll draw more from them, sometimes you won't, but generally when the team plays well, they play well. Kuyt has scored crucial goals in crucial games consistently, and when he hasn't you know you can always expect him to work a sweat for the good of the team, which in turn helps those around them. Tell me another player in the side who doesn't suffer slumps in form as much as Kuyt? Torres? Gerrard? Masher? Reina?

Exactly.
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do the players you listed have slumps in form as regularly and often as kuyt?
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That was the point, those four are our World Class players and are probably the only players in the side that suffer slumps less frequently than Kuyt.

I think your over exaggerating the issue and missing the wood for the trees again, he's one of the only few who's stood up and been counted, at least in terms of working his arse off for the team. If you're talking about the last couple of games, well everyone has been shite really, bar probably Masher and Reina. When we looked like turning things around a month or so ago, starting with the win against Spurs, Kuyt was instrumental in that. Has anyone else offered the same since?
 
Kuyt is great in the big games as his effort normally pays off and he seems to actually find some ability. But as soon as we come against the stokes, wigans, pompeys etc he returns to his shite 'touch of a rapist' best. On here whenever kuyt comes in for criticism he's immediately defended. Yes he may have scored some vital goals, however to defend him when he's shite by saying "everyone has slumps" is ridiculous.

Kuyt should play, on or off form, but only because we have no one better


Sadly
 
As I said on that thread Ryan posted when he's was on "shit-hot" form.. for 3 games. I'd rather a Valencia or Giggs evens. Players who won't score as much, or in as many 'big' games, but will contribute more to the team balance over the course of a 38 game season.
 
Kuyt has given up the winner against Lyon at Anfield and made top 4 and the game infinitely harder against Wigan and he sill escapes all blame. He'll score you goals and make good striker runs. But hes no attacking midfielder or winger, or Support Striker. Mostly cause he can't weight a throughball or whip in a curling cross, or drop into pockets of space and deliver space cutting passes. Riera and Babel are a better LW than Kuyt, Yossi and Gerrard are better in the hole than Kuyt, Gerrard and Maxi are better RW than Kuyt, and Torres is a better Striker than Kuyt. He should be our back up striker and someone to throw on from the bench to grab a goal.
 
classic SCM, maybe you should realize that the players who have played the most this season have effected our season the most. And you know what Kuyt hasn't helped bar a 6 games stretch where his goals came from the Striker position.

He's played in pretty much everyone of our shit attacking displays and the ball goes through him and stagnates to get to attack in a lot of them.
 
What? I'm just saying his game would improve no end with a new finishing move.
 
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=39275.msg1068989#msg1068989 date=1268509220]
What? I'm just saying his game would improve no end with a new finishing move.
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fine ill say it doesnt matter, cause his job from the positions he plays is not just to finish. Thats what he is good at. The rest he's below par for a premier league right winger.
 
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39275.msg1069060#msg1069060 date=1268540202]
Kuyt should be played as a striker
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or not at all, this "there is no competition" for his place is utter shite, Yossi Babel Gerrard and Maxi can all play on the right side of midfield, even Johnson could probably do a decent job there. The fact that he is never ever dropped for any of those players is more of an indictment of Rafa than anybody else, nobody is allowed to compete for his position but dont pretend nobody else can play there
 
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=39275.msg1068979#msg1068979 date=1268508134]
Maybe he should develop the 'under the bar' shooting technique?
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hhahahahaah classic
 
Which collossal spacker came up with the 'shooting under the bar technique' drivel again?

And was it in reference to the dismal Eggnog?
 
i never forget anything. it was assulin, in reference to ngog and bendtner. and it was supported by assulin's experiences of playing football himself
 
It was something along the lines of it's obvious that Bendtner is a top player because he has perfected the under the bar shooting technique.
 
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