Seeing Steve Clarke do so very well at wba anyone else think he should have deserved a chance with us. It doesn't seem to be a fluke to me, he has a very limited team very well organised with particularly the defence working well. Good luck to him, I couldn't see him doing any worse than Rogers if he had been.
did we chuck the baby out with the bathwater?
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Agreed 100% - the point also made by tony regarding wba defence probably explains why we are so poor at the back this season - I think it was Clarke that kept that together and working well. But my understanding is that he resigned out of loyalty to the King and was not forced out. However, given that BR was someone he employed at Chelsea - I think the relationship would have been difficult. To be fair to our owners I think many on here and the wider LFC fan base would not have accepted a case for Kenny getting the sack and Clarke becoming the manager.
He's done brilliantly so far but I don't see him being more than just a decent manager
It's much like what Pardew did last year with West Ham. It will either start going wrong for him during Christmas or next year.
It's much like what Pardew did last year with West Ham. It will either start going wrong for him during Christmas or next year.
What's the difference in terms of a leap of faith between him and Rodgers?
I don't think there was any real difference - age? style of play? FSG's preferred way? All minor really. Clarke may have done really well here, dunno. Nothing against him.
You can quite easily compare the two
- BR gets a team that is new ... LFC,
- SC gets a team that is new ....WBA
There is no difference in their respective positions - new team and players to work with but on paper our squad is worth a lot more, and yes there will be more pressure to do well at LFC than at WBA but the results have been quite difference this season have they not ? - lets not hide lads/ladies - BR should be doing better but the bottom line is - he is not. I think SC keeps the instructions quite simple for his team but keeps them disciplined, with BR tactics i get the feeling for some of our players it's too difficult to follow those instructions - hence the poor results.
- BR gets a team that is new ... LFC,
- SC gets a team that is new ....WBA
There is no difference in their respective positions - new team and players to work with but on paper our squad is worth a lot more, and yes there will be more pressure to do well at LFC than at WBA but the results have been quite difference this season have they not ? - lets not hide lads/ladies - BR should be doing better but the bottom line is - he is not. I think SC keeps the instructions quite simple for his team but keeps them disciplined, with BR tactics i get the feeling for some of our players it's too difficult to follow those instructions - hence the poor results.
I hope you're right Modo but maybe we wouldn't have any need to if the managers were reversed
I got sacked by Liverpool," said Clarke, who watched Liverpool play FC Gomel last week.
"That's part and parcel of football. I had a chat with Brendan Rodgers after Kenny had left. I didn't go at the same time as Kenny. He (Brendan) said he was one of the candidates and he said: 'Don't do anything silly. Don't walk away. Maybe we can work together'.
"Then he pulled out of the race, as we know - then he was back in it again. But the owners obviously wanted to start with fresh people. I was fortunate there were two or three jobs in the Premier League and I managed to get this one."
Maybe this would have been the ideal situation who the fuck is Colin Pascoe anyway!
"That's part and parcel of football. I had a chat with Brendan Rodgers after Kenny had left. I didn't go at the same time as Kenny. He (Brendan) said he was one of the candidates and he said: 'Don't do anything silly. Don't walk away. Maybe we can work together'.
"Then he pulled out of the race, as we know - then he was back in it again. But the owners obviously wanted to start with fresh people. I was fortunate there were two or three jobs in the Premier League and I managed to get this one."
Maybe this would have been the ideal situation who the fuck is Colin Pascoe anyway!
Possibly and we'd possibly have Henderson, Adam, Downing and Carroll in the starting line up.
Brendan has done fine imo, course' it depends on your expectations.
This is a transitional year imo. Rodgers seems to be able to spot the right type of players and I think we'll get better as the season progresses.
Yes I don't think our players have adapted yet to br's style but how much time is needed?
Anybody ever considered that most of these players over-achieving at other clubs (WBA being the perfect example) would be simply overawed at our place ?
As far as we have fallen, there's still a massive expectation at Liverpool Football Club, and not just anyone can rise to the challenge.
Appaz.
As far as we have fallen, there's still a massive expectation at Liverpool Football Club, and not just anyone can rise to the challenge.
Appaz.
Exactly. Our players have a massive weight on their shoulders, some rise to the challenge (Suarez) some don't (Downing etc).
I don't know - when I listen to BR talk - part of me thinks the guy is trying to hold the 'shit' together by talking the talk. With Steve Clarke - there is a strong character in him who knows his stuff really well and can communicate better with players. With 'BR' part of me also believes he has in his time at Chelsea taken Jose's cock up his backside and maybe wants to immitate some of his character elements. Perhaps he will if he manages to get some sort of success.
I wouldn't disagree with you but I would be disgusted if that was true - I suppose that is why we have employed a shink for the players - a joke if true
Stop going on about gay anal sex, moron.
Well he comes across as decent to me - he's certainly not doing so bad so far this season
WBA were top 10ish last 2 seasons and playing decent football, Clarke hardly took over a team of donkeys. The job there is entirely different to the job Rodgers took on, one is a rebuild and the other is a continuation.
Whats impressive is that he's kept the momentum and they're in a strong run of form, Europa league place is a possibility for them.
Whats impressive is that he's kept the momentum and they're in a strong run of form, Europa league place is a possibility for them.
I am trying man - but I can't get the image out of my head after seeing BR have a portrait/picture of himself in his house, all I can think of is that he got that idea ego shit of someone like Jose. I'm telling ya - he got pounded by Jose in the changing rooms and Drogba and Terry watched.
But Clarke wouldn't have considered LFC in need of a rebuild. It's a myth it ever NEEDED a rebuild. Clarke would have gone for evolution not revolution. This myth that the club was in disarray last summer needs binning once and for all. FSG decided they wanted a revolution - fine, if they want to to take responsibility for it if it doesn't work out, but it was a CHOICE, it wasn't a necessity. It's no good deciding to go for a rebuild and then protesting you're having to rebuild.
BR took over a team7/8th over the last two seasons and wba are higher in the league than they have been for 35 years
It's a settled team. That's the difference.
Brendan chose to sell Adam and loan out Carroll. Maxi left and Kuyt was sold.
Rodgers more or less introduced 5 new players in the starting line up. Allen, Suso, Sterling, Sahin and Borini.
WBA had like zero players in the Euro's. Half our squad was gone.
New tactics, new staff, high expectations...there are a lot of factors that have contributed to our slow start.
The only thing that I can criticize him for is not buying another striker and I'm not even sure that he's to blame.
Brendan chose to sell Adam and loan out Carroll. Maxi left and Kuyt was sold.
Rodgers more or less introduced 5 new players in the starting line up. Allen, Suso, Sterling, Sahin and Borini.
WBA had like zero players in the Euro's. Half our squad was gone.
New tactics, new staff, high expectations...there are a lot of factors that have contributed to our slow start.
The only thing that I can criticize him for is not buying another striker and I'm not even sure that he's to blame.
Yeah - but was not like the players he got rid of were making a huge difference to our team were they ? (Kuyt may have slightly). Also - I am not that impressed with Borini - I think thats 10M wasted.
I hope thats right Modo but Im not so sure Claqrke wouldnt have done better so far
I'm sorry, but if Clarke couldn't persuade Kenny that Downing and Henderson shouldn't have been anywhere near our starting line up mid season he doesn't deserve the job.
And we'll probably finish around there again, so will they. This reminds me of the short lived thread about how we should have brought in Laudrup instead of Rodgers after they won a couple of games an played nice. It's all about the long haul, I don't think Clarke has proved anything yet.
IMO he took on a good squad and has done a good job but he hasn't engineered any miracles.
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