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David Silva - the new Luis Garcia? Minus the goals

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Can I just ask the posters who think Silva is a bit meh, who would you sign? That can play anywhere across the attacking line, a natural winger and has potential to be a superstar. Who?

We're running out of players in professional football at this rate. Everyone is apperantly shite or mediocre.
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He plays for Bayern and I've not been more convinced that a foreign player would be a success. He could be a superstar here.
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Would you be happy if we spunked 50-60mill on him?
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Yes.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33906.msg879963#msg879963 date=1243868603]
£60m would be daylight ribery


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Wouldn't you want him here just for that?
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33906.msg879963#msg879963 date=1243868603]
£60m would be daylight ribery


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Wouldn't you want him here just for that?
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Well *obviously*

Although he has a visage that could curdle milk through the telly.
 
He's a bloody good player, but he's not worth that, and there's no assurance that he would even cut it over here.

Barmy get.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33906.msg879963#msg879963 date=1243868603]
£60m would be daylight ribery


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Wouldn't you want him here just for that?
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Well *obviously*

Although he has a visage that could curdle milk through the telly.
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With his skills he can look like Nosferatu + Frankenstein + Freddy Kruger for I care.
 
[quote author=Mors link=topic=33906.msg879966#msg879966 date=1243868768]
He's a bloody good player, but he's not worth that, and there's no assurance that he would even cut it over here.

Barmy get.
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Well we can at least *try* to negotiate. Leak some story to the press to show our interest and see what happens. I would be happy if there was some indication that we are interested.
 
[quote author=Mors link=topic=33906.msg879966#msg879966 date=1243868768]
He's a bloody good player, but he's not worth that, and there's no assurance that he would even cut it over here.

Barmy get.
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I'd pay more if it guaranteed us getting him.

If he comes here and provides half the quality he has at Bayern then that would have made the difference for us in the season just past. Therefore the question would be whether winning the title was worth 60m? I know my answer.
 
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[quote author=Mors link=topic=33906.msg879966#msg879966 date=1243868768]
He's a bloody good player, but he's not worth that, and there's no assurance that he would even cut it over here.

Barmy get.
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I'd pay more if it guaranteed us getting him.

If he comes here and provides half the quality he has at Bayern then that would have made the difference for us in the season just past. Therefore the question would be whether winning the title was worth 60m? I know my answer.
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Yeah. Get him in first then work with what's left (won't be much, that I'll admit) to improve other areas. We really dont need that BIG a squad to compete on four fronts. Screw the League Cup, see how far we can go in the FA Cup and Champions' League and save the big guns for the Premier League.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33906.msg879963#msg879963 date=1243868603]
£60m would be daylight ribery


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Wouldn't you want him here just for that?
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Well *obviously*

Although he has a visage that could curdle milk through the telly.
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With his skills he can look like Nosferatu + Frankenstein + Freddy Kruger for I care.
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That's fortunate. He does.
 
That's fortunate. He does.
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Didn't he get catapulted headfirst through a car windscreen?
And obviously landed in a burning petshop, caught fire, and was then bitten by a frenzied, melting Alsation.

Or that might have been Tevez.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33906.msg879963#msg879963 date=1243868603]
£60m would be daylight ribery


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I've just scrolled through 3 pages and finally the punchline. I can relax now.

Anyway, I'm undecided on Silva, but I was undecided on Torres too, so clearly I can't judge a player to save my arse.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33906.msg879987#msg879987 date=1243870291]
That's fortunate. He does.
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Didn't he get catapulted headfirst through a car windscreen?
And obviously landed in a burning petshop, caught fire, and was then bitten by a frenzied, melting Alsation.

Or that might have been Tevez.
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Maybe they crashed into each other?
 
i'd rather see a 1st choice spanish international over downing.

ribery will cost too much, sliva has everything going for him to settle into our squad, him and riera will complement each other well (indeed if it works out we should sell riera) and imo silva is the best of a bunch of realistic targets
 
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i'd rather see a 1st choice spanish international over downing.

ribery will cost too much, sliva has everything going for him to settle into our squad, him and riera will complement each other well (indeed if it works out we should sell riera) and imo silva is the best of a bunch of realistic targets
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I'm not desperate for us to spunk £25 or £30m on one "superstar" player any more.

Maybe Benitez can shock and surprise us with a couple of top-quality imports that we can pick up for a "bargain", but aren't "basement" at the same time.

He did it when he first arrived with Alonso.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33906.msg879765#msg879765 date=1243854462]
£25m for a player who can play"attacking midfield" or behind the lone striker, but isn't a traditional winger

Who is, like Garcia, diminutive and not very pacey.
Who, unlike Garcia, doesn't really score many goals.

8, 7 and 6 in his last three seasons.

And this is a player Benitez wants to spend £25m on?

Jesus Christ.
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Where to start?

Silva is nothing like Garcia. The whole point about Lil Luis was that he was a maverick player - unpredictable, inconsistent, capable of creating goals out of nothing, but also guilty of giving the ball away much too cheaply. Silva is much more of a team player - less mercurial perhaps, but his control and passing are of a much higher standard than Garcia's. He's quick rather than fast, but above all he's quick-thinking - he'd be at his best in a high-quality, high-speed passing team like Spain or Barca... or like the Liverpool team we watched in the final third of last season.

8, 7 and 6 goals is not bad for an attacking midfielder, but it could be better, I agree. It might be a worrying statistic, but then Torres had an average of about 14 goals per season playing as a lone striker for Atletico - and look at his record here. FWIW, Iniesta - who EVERYONE thinks is fantastic and plays a similar role in a similar style - has scored a total of 20 goals in 181 matches for Barcelona.

He's at Valencia, who are in a position where they have to sell their best players, and he is friends with about half our team, meaning there's a good chance he might prefer to come here than any other club. The chances are, if we sign him, we'll be getting him for less than his true market value (which was also the case with Torres). I read that we offered a take-it-or-leave-it deal of £15m for Silva, and general press speculation has been in the £18-20m range - so where do you get your figure of £25m from?

Apart from all that, spot on.

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How many diminutive, slow, physically unimposing attacking midfielders/ wingers have come to this league from abroad and thrived?


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Robinho?

Anyway, Silva's not slow. And, although he didn't come from another league, Paul Scholes is diminutive, less than fast and physically unimposing. Ditto Joe Cole. And Peter Beardsley. And probably loads of others who I can't think of right now.

To go back to your original post, do you really think Garcia's main problem was his lack of stature, speed and physical power? Or just his lack of consistency?
 
But Beardo was/is tough as teak

As for Garcia, of course his main problem was his profligacy with possession, but it was also very often that when out wide, he had neither the pace nor the power to get past his full-back

And I can see similar issues with Silva; I fear he would be isolated and largely ineffectual

So while he is a good player, he is not worth paying 20m or whatever for

Cf Luis Garcia

I'm being unrealistic when I say the answer is Ronaldo Mark 2, or a Pires, but I'm sure Silva is not it
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33906.msg880021#msg880021 date=1243876247]
But Beardo was/is tough as teak

As for Garcia, of course his main problem was his profligacy with possession, but it was also very often that when out wide, he had neither the pace nor the power to get past his full-back

And I can see similar issues with Silva; I fear he would be isolated and largely ineffectual

So while he is a good player, he is not worth paying 20m or whatever for

Cf Luis Garcia

I'm being unrealistic when I say the answer is Ronaldo Mark 2, or a Pires, but I'm sure Silva is not it
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I don't think he'd be playing out wide though - certainly not in the way that Riera does. He's got great vision and control and he'd give our attacks more fluency, provide killer passes for Torres, Gerrard and Kuyt etc. I agree it'd be good if he could get into the box and shoot himself on a more regular basis - but given the paucity of options for that role on the current market, and the fact that he's available (and probably for a knockdown price) I reckon he's our best option this summer.

He might struggle, of course, with the pace and the power - I'm not denying it's a possibility. But so might anyone. I thought Malouda would adapt easily to English football because he's fast and tall and strong, but it's taken him two seasons to re-find his Lyon form. The main thing is ABILITY, and Silva has shitloads.
 
Luis Garcia goalscoring stats in La Liga before coming to Liverpool:

01/02 7 in 25 with Valladolid
02/03 9 in 30 with Atleti
03/04 4 in 25 with Barca

With us, his best league total was 8 (in his first season).

So I'm not sure 'minus the goals' is fair for Silva. While I do have similar concerns to Brendan over his weight and ability to adjust to England, I think the lad oozes class. I somehow doubt we'll get him though.
 
I've said very early on that I have concerns about Silva's ability to adapt (largely due to his size and lack of out and out pace) and to a lesser degree his goalscoring record.

I've kind of changed my mind since then though as really I can't think of any other established names that we'll have a realistic chance of attaining and I'm fed up of rubbish. Hardly a ringing endorsement, but at least this kid has got talent and quality.

Also as already said, I think there is a lot scope for him to improve on his goalscoring with us, as Torres did - he's got the ability, I'm sure of it. If he plays on the left, hopefully he'll be asked to bit more central allowing the fullback to provide the width and him the opportunities to get in the box.

In an ideal world, we'd be getting Ribery, but even if we did have the money, I don't think he'd choose us.
 
I personally think that Silva would be perfect for us. He's is only 23 and very experienced at the hightest level. He can play on the left, right on just behind Nando/another striker.


If we can pick him up for anything between £15-20m, we will have got ourselves a fantastic deal.
 
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I've said very early on that I have concerns about Silva's ability to adapt (largely due to his size and lack of out and out pace) and to a lesser degree his goalscoring record.

I've kind of changed my mind since then though as really I can't think of any other established names that we'll have a realistic chance of attaining and I'm fed up of rubbish. Hardly a ringing endorsement, but at least this kid has got talent and quality.

Also as already said, I think there is a lot scope for him to improve on his goalscoring with us, as Torres did - he's got the ability, I'm sure of it. If he plays on the left, hopefully he'll be asked to bit more central allowing the fullback to provide the width and him the opportunities to get in the box.

In an ideal world, we'd be getting Ribery, but even if we did have the money, I don't think he'd choose us.
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How much do you personally think he's worth Keni? and how much do you think Valencia would want for him?

Whilst he's a talented player, I think he'll be overvalued and represents a big risk.
 
He is a big risk and that's why I have similar reservations about us signing him, but unless Rafa can pull out a wonder signing from out of nowhere, I can't see too many alternatives.

I don't know how much Valencia will demand for him - as much as possible I would imagine given their situation. I suppose it all depends on how much interest in him there is, but I'm guessing around the 20M Euros mark. Spurs paid a similar fee for Modric, so I think if he costs anything less, he'll be going on the cheap all things considered.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=33906.msg880087#msg880087 date=1243887307]
Is there any proper link about Silva to Liverpool? I assume there must be but I can't recall it.
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Rafa has said - twice now - that he was interested in signing him, but they were asking for too much money and 'talking too much' so the deal was off. Seemed pretty clear at the time that he was our primary target, but the link has gone a bit cold in recent weeks.
 
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I've never wanted him and think he is highly overrated.
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fucking sign him!!!!
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33906.msg880040#msg880040 date=1243880870]
I've said very early on that I have concerns about Silva's ability to adapt (largely due to his size and lack of out and out pace) and to a lesser degree his goalscoring record.

I've kind of changed my mind since then though as really I can't think of any other established names that we'll have a realistic chance of attaining and I'm fed up of rubbish. Hardly a ringing endorsement, but at least this kid has got talent and quality.

Also as already said, I think there is a lot scope for him to improve on his goalscoring with us, as Torres did - he's got the ability, I'm sure of it. If he plays on the left, hopefully he'll be asked to bit more central allowing the fullback to provide the width and him the opportunities to get in the box.

In an ideal world, we'd be getting Ribery, but even if we did have the money, I don't think he'd choose us.
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Not that I necessarily think he would choose us but why do you feel he would not choose us?
 
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[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=33906.msg880137#msg880137 date=1243894917]
I've never wanted him and think he is highly overrated.
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fucking sign him!!!!
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Ha the last player I felt like this about was Robbie Keane.
 
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