I wouldn’t have signed him under my “do not buy players over 27 who’ve never played in the league before” rule.
Curtis Jones - Under Rated?
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Klopp got us 3rd with a make shift defense, and Thiago was part of that winning run.
We didn't win with Chelsea, because Chelsea defended like Burnley with all their outfield players behind the ball. Their GK has been exceptional. Our issue is we don't have too many players that can offer an alternative to our attack
I was never convinced by him, he played for Bayern Munich which means fuck all to me as its a team that win their league every season. He was also part of that team that lost to us in our away leg against Bayern the year we won the CL. Also he is not a starter for Spain so in their eyes they dont see him as first team material despite going into a slight talent issue with their national side.
That said he has his talents, but never as the secondary holding player alongside Fab. To play him you need a Hendo and Fab on at the same time. The other day Curtis Jones was the type of player we needed on. Not in place of Hendo, but would have replaced Elliot/Mane for jones.
Klopp needs to rethink, the other teams have improved both player wise and tactically. You cant just keep trying the same shit over and over again.
I'd be surprised if Jones was sold at this point, midfield is not a strong area at the moment and selling a young homegrown player would leave us light on numbers. Selling him for £15m would be absurd.
I'm still amazed that there have been no offers for Ox or Keita, or perhaps we just have totally unreasonable valuations. I'd happily take £15m for Ox.
I'm still amazed that there have been no offers for Ox or Keita, or perhaps we just have totally unreasonable valuations. I'd happily take £15m for Ox.
So would they. I suspect wages is the issue.
A week is a long time in football eh?
Two superb displays back to back.
Earned his spot against City.
Two superb displays back to back.
Earned his spot against City.
Yup, I think he did. Would be strange to bring in Keita off the cold at this point. The way he's playing now is the closest thing we've had to early 2018 Oxlade-Chamberlain, who caused City so many problems with his directness and willingness to shoot from distance. Let's hope he can raise his game even more and produce a defining performance.
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The trick for JK is to get the midfield balance right. Pre season plenty were calling for an attacking midfielder to be brought in. Now JK will have a tough job leaving players out. Fabinho is a given, after that Hendo is next in line but Jones is now pushing Hendo & Thiago. And when Elliott returns It'll be a bun fight. Morton is still under construction.
Jones could be the No1 midfield pick if he kicks on from tonight. This was always going to be a make or break season for Jones. I suspect he knows that and now is the time to stake his claim to be an almost automatic pick.
Jones could be the No1 midfield pick if he kicks on from tonight. This was always going to be a make or break season for Jones. I suspect he knows that and now is the time to stake his claim to be an almost automatic pick.
Our game does not work unless you have at least 2 workhorses in midfield. Therefore Curtis is no replacement for Hendo or Fab. If we have one midfielder like Curtis who can press and make forward runs with all the skills he has, then you need at least two holding types. Curtis deserves to start even with what he did last season, he is that missing player we need as a starter.
The problem we have right now is that we cannot drop Fab, and we can only replace Hendo with Milner in games. Thiago/Keita/Elliot can only fill in as replacements for Curtis, none of them including Ox give enough defensive shielding.
I think that’s accurate. I wanted to disagree about Thiago, but then I thought I probably wouldn’t want to start with a midfield that includes both Thiago and Elliott/Jones/Keita against any EPL team except perhaps the absolute relegation fodder or a team that’s itself heavily unbalanced. So I think you’re right - we seem to have adequate numbers in midfield, but only 3 of those can really be trusted with a defensive role and we usually need 2 of those on the pitch. Whenever Fabs and Hendo are both unavailable we’ll struggle big time.
Haha Klopp.
Yep. With the deafening roar from the fans for another CM, and with Elliott's emergence, he absolutely needs to prove to Klopp that he's the man for that slot (Neuhaus is treading water waiting for us methinks).
It would be wonderful if he can take that next step (playing consistently as well he did against Brentford and Porto but against tougher teams) with him being a Scouser and being able to save us 50-60m to be spent on a quality forward.
I don't know. Thiago has played a lot defensively in the BL. Does anyone remember what games we have played with him and say Hendo or Keita in midfield?
I think Morton is the same type as Neuhaus - if he is indeed a real deal that can save us another rather expensive transfer and give Fabinho much-needed cover at #6. I keep banging this drum, but Bellingham is the type we don’t have and can definitely use - just an all-around box-to-box midfield dynamo, kind of like Keita (the player we thought he’s going to become) and Wijnaldum rolled into one.
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Indeed. I've always been a Keita fan (based on his time in the BL where he was tremendous) but I'd happily sell him, Ox., Minamino, Phillips, Origi and anyone else we can to fund a midfield for the next 5 years at least of Fabs, Bellingham, Jones, Elliott & Gordon (assuming those three step up) with Hendo taking on the 'Milner' role and Thiago guiding them through the next 2-3 years.
Hopefully Morton steps up too as we do need cover for Fabs as Moron said.
This bun fight will give us what people at the end of the transfer window were crying we don't have.... depth.
That would be the icing on the cake.
I don't think it's a case that his talent has ever been in question - he's obviously got the talent. It's the other things that separate the best players from those who don't quite make it - decision making, tactical awareness, attitude and all that shit.
It's the sort of stuff that traditionally attacking midfielders tend to struggle with more when they're young and why increasingly we've seen them shunted out onto the wing or even up front - if they make the team at all - in recent times.
The last couple games, however, it's all kinda come together a lot more and then the cute touches, dribbles and willingness to take on shots really come to the fore in a much more positive way.
My favourite moment from the game last night against Porto was just before his assist for Salah's second. He was running into space with Mane completely free to his left. It would've been easy just to hand over responsibility to Mane - who being further wide wasn't in as good a position - but instead he carried on himself and found a killer pass as a result.
Jones biggest plus - particularly for us as a team - is his (seemingly absolute) confidence in himself. Mane free? Meh. Henderson asking for the ball? Meh. Opening for a shot? I'll take it.
We need someone from midfield who will take a few more risks further up the pitch. It's just knowing how to get the balance right and the last couple games it has been.
It's the sort of stuff that traditionally attacking midfielders tend to struggle with more when they're young and why increasingly we've seen them shunted out onto the wing or even up front - if they make the team at all - in recent times.
The last couple games, however, it's all kinda come together a lot more and then the cute touches, dribbles and willingness to take on shots really come to the fore in a much more positive way.
My favourite moment from the game last night against Porto was just before his assist for Salah's second. He was running into space with Mane completely free to his left. It would've been easy just to hand over responsibility to Mane - who being further wide wasn't in as good a position - but instead he carried on himself and found a killer pass as a result.
Jones biggest plus - particularly for us as a team - is his (seemingly absolute) confidence in himself. Mane free? Meh. Henderson asking for the ball? Meh. Opening for a shot? I'll take it.
We need someone from midfield who will take a few more risks further up the pitch. It's just knowing how to get the balance right and the last couple games it has been.
Yep, his confidence is pretty refreshing in our midfield where most of the other players are safety first and risk averse.
Interesting to see the contrast with Elliott. Elliott played in a very mature, reserved way in that manner that Klopp typically likes. Jones takes more risks, but also provides more end product for that reason.
Interesting to see the contrast with Elliott. Elliott played in a very mature, reserved way in that manner that Klopp typically likes. Jones takes more risks, but also provides more end product for that reason.
What Keni said - that Jones made the pass to Salah instead of giving it to Mane - demonstrates his confidence in his ability but also decision making. Could be key to his progress
Jones played well in the last 2 games but we were playing 2 teams without much of a midfield resistance. Both Brentford and Porto were happy forming 2 blocks, a defence and an attack and didn't have much of a midfield.
Jones' problem has always been with him taking too many touches when he just couldn't find the space or the pass, stifling our attacks. City's tactics of packing the midfield will be a good test because Jones will be under alot of pressure. It will be a good gauge of his actual level.
Jones' problem has always been with him taking too many touches when he just couldn't find the space or the pass, stifling our attacks. City's tactics of packing the midfield will be a good test because Jones will be under alot of pressure. It will be a good gauge of his actual level.
Starting with John Jones in 1924 (4 games) Curtis Jones is the 13th player with the surname Jones who has played for Liverpool FC...ahem..
Dortmund would ask for 80 million-plus for Bellingham. Utd fans are kinda unimpressed with Sancho in his first few outings. After Keita, Mkhitaryan, Kagawa, Nuri Sahin - we should be very careful of players who appear dynamic in Bundesliga and put up insane numbers on all metrics.
Great to see him pushing on and seeming sure of himself. But he's only 20, he's going to have great games, and then poor games, as he develops. 20 is still so young. Hell, Zidane was 23 and still playing for Bordeaux.
* Not suggesting he's the new Zidane
* Not suggesting he's the new Zidane
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