Cult heroes and flops under each manager

[singlerider]

Really? Has Keita cost us a final? How many games did we lose or draw because Karius had a brain fart moment? Karius is a £100m mistake

The point is, did anyone have any big expectations of Karius? Was he expected to set the world alight? Be the next big thing? Solve our problems?

 

[rurikbird]

The point is, did anyone have any big expectations of Karius? Was he expected to set the world alight? Be the next big thing? Solve our problems?

To be fair, he was signed to challenge Mignolet, who we all knew wasn’t good enough, and possibly take over the #1 spot, which he did - so there were serious expectations on him despite the low transfer fee. I think what happened in Kyiv taught Klopp and especially FSG that you cannot take shortcuts if you want to compete at the very top, lack of quality will show itself in the worst moment possible.

 

[Judge Jules]

Keita at £55M is a bigger flop than Karius at £5M, IMO.

Karius was a cheap punt who didn't work out, it happens. Keita was meant to transform our midfield and take Klopp's team to another level.

A cheap what? 😉

 

[tomasjj]

Christ - somehow you managed to make this thread a boring one.

 

[mark1975]

Evans

Cult hero: Vegard Heggem
Flop: Sean Dundee


Houllier

Cult hero: Igor Biscan
Flop: Salif Diao


Benitez

Cult hero: Sissoko
Flop: Pellegrino (for sheer awfulness) Robbie Keane (for cost and pointlessness)


Hodgson

Cult hero: Shelvey
Flop: Poulsen


Dalglish

Cult hero: Bellamy
Flop: Carroll


Rodgers

Cult hero: Origi
Flop: Balotelli


Klopp

Cult hero: Shaqiri
Flop: Karius (hardly the most financially costly, that's probably Keita, but he did the most damage)

 

[bluebell]

Souness

Cult hero: Mark wright
Flop: Neil Ruddock/Paul Stewart/Nigel Clough Was really young, those 3 standout as people were slating them at the time


Evans

Cult hero: Danny Murphy
Flop: Paul Ince


Houllier

Cult hero: Markus Babbel
Flop: Bruno Cheyrou (Was told he was the next zidane) and the Spitter


Benitez

Cult hero: Garcia
Flop: Waterman


Hodgson

Cult hero: NA
Flop: Joe Cole


Dalglish

Cult hero: Craig Bellamy
Flop: Andy Carroll and Downing


Rogers

Cult hero: Divock
Flop: Balotelli and Benteke


Klopp

Cult hero: Gini
Flop: Karius

 

[MomoWASright]

Any love for titi?

 

[tombrown]

Any love for titi?

Only inasmuch as I love playing Matip against Titi

 

[Shadey]

Souness

Cult hero: Dean Saunders
Flop: Istvan Kozma


Evans

Cult hero: Collymore
Flop: Sean Dundee


Houllier

Cult hero: Vladimir Smicer
Flop: Salif Diao


Benitez

Cult hero: Agger
Flop: Phil Deggen


Hodgson

Cult hero: Brad Jones
Flop: Koncheskey


Dalglish

Cult hero:Suarez
Flop:Carroll


Rodgers

Cult hero: James Milner
Flop: Lambert


Klopp

Cult hero: Robertson
Flop Karius

 

[StevieM]

Any love for titi?

Ahem….

 

[MomoWASright]

Ahem….

I was fishing for likes.

 

[StevieM]

I was fishing for likes.

Bastard… you got them too.

Then @tombrown cashed in - only fair since I stole his Stanley Matthews for the same reason.

 

[bluebell]

Souness

Cult hero: Dean Saunders
Flop: Istvan Kozma


Evans

Cult hero: Collymore
Flop: Sean Dundee


Houllier

Cult hero: Vladimir Smicer
Flop: Salif Diao


Benitez

Cult hero: Agger
Flop: Phil Deggen


Hodgson

Cult hero: Brad Jones
Flop: Koncheskey


Dalglish

Cult hero:Suarez
Flop:Carroll


Rodgers

Cult hero: James Milner
Flop: Lambert


Klopp

Cult hero: Robertson
Flop Karius

I think Suarez, Robertson, Milner and even Agger are a level above cult hero.

 

[mark1975]

I think Suarez, Robertson, Milner and even Agger are a level above cult hero.

I can see the reasoning though and I did consider Robbo for the same. But yes, you are right, I'd liken cult heroes to be players who were either not that good, or brought in cheap/late in their careers and had a hand in something significant, even though they were never really here for the long haul. Or players who did something poignant that touched the fans, like Titi.

 

[tombrown]

Can we have a separate discussion on what constitutes a cult hero? It's the logical next chapter after the debate on how to define world class.

 

[mark1975]

Can we have a separate discussion on what constitutes a cult hero? It's the logical next chapter after the debate on how to define world class.

We could do with a "do first XI's exist in the modern game?" discussion too. It can be Ryan's legacy.

 

[StevieM]

Can we have a separate discussion on what constitutes a cult hero? It's the logical next chapter after the debate on how to define world class.

Then we can create a Best XI of Cult Heroes, with a Cult Manager that isn’t important.

 

[bluebell]

Can we have a separate discussion on what constitutes a cult hero? It's the logical next chapter after the debate on how to define world class.

@Shadey chose who he chose to create a discussion knowing someone will object to his choices. I took the bait.
For me there's a level between Cult Hero and Club Legend. For me Robbo will be a club legend. In my living memory he is the best left back we've ever had.

 

[StevieM]

That’s close to a “Double Dreamie”.