And he looked great when he came on last night. He really looked match fit.
Hard to believe how quickly and how perfectly he's recovered from that terrible combination of back injury and illness he was suffering just a few days ago.
Coutinho- what now?
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Hard to believe how quickly and how perfectly he's recovered from that terrible combination of back injury and illness he was suffering just a few days ago.
How has he humiliated Klopp ?
Betrayed him by wanting to leave. Blamed him for wanting to leave. Forced Klopp to deny there was any problem then undermined him with a transfer request. Lied to him about his injury and refused to play. Forced Klopp to lie to cover for him, making him look like Coutinho's bitch. Made him look even more stupid when the injury changed to illness. Took the piss out of him by playing for Brazil. Made a further fool out of Klopp by leaving him with no answer other than to say the owners decide and I obey, thus making him look like FSG's bitch. Damaged his authority in front of the squad, whenever he puts them through double training sessions now he'll look like a naive fool whose orders can be circumvented by a sore back.
Klopp can barely wait to get his hands on the cunt, and set about systematically making him pay for everything.
Yeah but apart from that?
The little (wee) fucking rat!
Clearly he comes back into the side over the course of the next month or so, and goes on to have a great season, and we all somehow get over it. We can't really afford not too cos he's pretty fucking good, and we're not good enough to be pretty fucking good without him.
He's a little cock though. It's OK to acknowledge that, and then still hope he plays a blinder the rest of the season. I get Brazilians want to play for Barca/Real, and I get he'll go at some stage, but the the way he's gone about this is pure wankwagon. Signing a new lengthy deal 6 months ago, making fucking documentaries about his love for life in Liverpool, and then faking a fucking back injury so he couldn't play for us while his little head was turned. That's the act of a cock. I never really loved him to begin with but I had respect for him, I now just think he's a fucking dick.
There's something about him that's weird to me. He's an adult, and has been playing for a top club for 4 or 5 years, but he carries himself like a complete child. He looks like that missus is there to pat his fucking head and reassure him 24/7. Some bit of affection comes from Barca, and he laps it up like a puppy. I don't think he's actually grown up yet.
He's a little cock though. It's OK to acknowledge that, and then still hope he plays a blinder the rest of the season. I get Brazilians want to play for Barca/Real, and I get he'll go at some stage, but the the way he's gone about this is pure wankwagon. Signing a new lengthy deal 6 months ago, making fucking documentaries about his love for life in Liverpool, and then faking a fucking back injury so he couldn't play for us while his little head was turned. That's the act of a cock. I never really loved him to begin with but I had respect for him, I now just think he's a fucking dick.
There's something about him that's weird to me. He's an adult, and has been playing for a top club for 4 or 5 years, but he carries himself like a complete child. He looks like that missus is there to pat his fucking head and reassure him 24/7. Some bit of affection comes from Barca, and he laps it up like a puppy. I don't think he's actually grown up yet.
To fake an injury to avoid playing is unforgivable. If we'd not qualified for the CL group stage, I can't see how he could have stayed because the blame would have been laid solely at his feet.
Whilst I think Klopp will be pragmatic enough to re-introduce him at some stage, it wouldn't surprise me if he's routinely scapegoated e.g. early substitutions, and treated like an absolute pariah. I can't seem him having the kind of season that Suarez did as he's not of the same level. However, I suppose he does have to pull his finger out to attempt to stay on Barca's radar in 6/12 months because if he's been crap all season, they may well just think twice and no doubt other players will be on the scene.
Whilst I think Klopp will be pragmatic enough to re-introduce him at some stage, it wouldn't surprise me if he's routinely scapegoated e.g. early substitutions, and treated like an absolute pariah. I can't seem him having the kind of season that Suarez did as he's not of the same level. However, I suppose he does have to pull his finger out to attempt to stay on Barca's radar in 6/12 months because if he's been crap all season, they may well just think twice and no doubt other players will be on the scene.
Brazil team-mates of Liverpool midfielder Philippe Coutinho, 25, reportedly saw him crying before the World Cup qualifying victory over Ecuador, after his move to Barcelona broke down. (Calcio Mercato - Spanish)
Jesus.
Jesus.
Big Jessie
Is Jesus on Twitter now?
Yeah but his Dad keeps an eye on his tweets.
Hahahahaha what a cunt.
Fucking crying the big sap.
Well said, and I couldn't agree more. I wouldn't be surprised if he spent the past month immersed in computer games, occasionally breaking off to listen to what his agent had to say. Off the pitch he seems a bit less sentient than a glove puppet.
Rather like Stephen Fry, but with a bit more humility, Jesus cancels his twitter account every Easter, only to set it back up again soon after.
To be perfectly honest, seeing as we know he is gone next summer, I would only play him when others are not fit. Otherwise he spends his time on the bench and is used only when needed. Great player, but as shown last week, we can cope without him. We need players on that pitch who want to play for the club. Let him sit and reflect on what he has thrown away while watching us tear teams a new one. Put him on if someone needs resting / injured but not otherwise. If he isn't up to scratch with that, drop him to the reserves. Let's see how his world cup warm up goes then.
https://www.footballparadise.com/da...utinho-stance-shifts-transfer-market-balance/
The German word for ‘disappointment’ is enttäuschen. It is an ‘inseparable’ verb. With separable verbs, the prefix comes at the end to provide a meaning that is different to what the root verb would suggest. Inseparable verbs are oft explicit. The root verb of enttäuschen translates to ‘deceive’. Make no mistake, Jürgen Klopp ist sehr, sehr enttäuscht-ed.
The brilliant Raphael Honigstein of the Das Reboot fame – a cleverly-named book on German football’s resurrection (the title inspired by Das Boot, a movie about a German WWII submarine which rose from the craggy blue jaws of death, despite sustaining heavy damage) – is writing Klopp’s biography. He states in the book that if there was one lesson the man with a heart the size of the Black Forest learned in his all his years of management, it is the importance of squad depth.
When John W. Henry leaned over the table, Jürgen Klopp met halfway. Liverpool’s golden handshake included a promise of squad depth, but along with it came the compromise of Klopp having to muster the reserves of all his managerial talent to bring the most out of the group of players he had and reach the Champions League.
A splurge was guaranteed only once it becomes easier to attract the players and pay lesser benefits to agents (Liverpool spent more than £14m on agents’ fees to lead the 2015 Premier League list which shows total payments at £129.86m). Logistically, it made more sense. Taking on mediocre players costs more to sell. This low-risk/low-reward strategy was on full-display at Liverpool’s last few winter transfer windows.
Fast forward to the 1st of September, Liverpool are in the Champions League and Phil Coutinho wants out. While the former was expected, the latter was untimely. Having signed a five-year contract, Coutinho felt confident enough in Klopp’s vision of building a Liverpool team around him to take on Europe.
Simon Hughes of the Independent reported earlier today how Brendan Rodgers’ ego made former Liverpool Academy Director-turned-Sporting Director Pep Segura’s position untenable, causing the Spaniard to resign on-the-spot. Pep Segura, now a Barcelona sporting director, made ransacking Liverpool of its crown-jewel his holy mission.
‘Legacy-building’ is a key-word the Fenway Sporting Group often use in their presentations. The resuscitation of the Boston Red Sox will be a time-honoured example of that in American sporting history. Their epic swindle with former British Airways CEO, Martin Broughton (who was in charge of finding sellers for Liverpool) saved Liverpool from the clutches of liquidation. Selling Coutinho, despite being in a position of strength would have sent all the wrong signals to an already on-edge fan-base, potential players, as well as the rest of Europeans sharks, and made dust of the foundations they have stood on.
The Coutinho no-sell has set the template for Champions League clubs to subvert player power. Liverpool have been victims of top players overriding contractual obligations in recent memory. The event sets a powerful precedent. For too long the club has been bullied into selling by agents. Liverpool, like others, are now beginning to exercise the powers of a contract, a team of lawyers, and the luxury of Champions League-shaped cash-cushion.
Wittingly/unwittingly, the move has also inspired RB Leipzig and Southampton to show the same kind of savvy staunchness. The clubs are beginning to wrestle back the narrative from the middle-men (something John Barnes predicted last year). Player power will take a downturn, as will agents’ fees. Liverpool could have reported Barcelona, but refusing to do business altogether sends a far more resounding reply, that may perhaps send ripples across Europe.
Agents now more than ever, will be more inclined to set up release clauses in improved contracts, which consequently, will allow the club to negotiate a figure that comes closest to their projected valuation of the player. In the current climate of market inflation, clubs stand the chance of being well-compensated. The knock-on effect could see agent fees the buying club pays during sign-on take a proportionable dive.
The Mes Que Un Club are slipping. The Neymar faux pas has exposed Barcelona’s warty underbelly. Liverpool has grudges to hold. It wasn’t beyond Barcelona to ask Javier Mascherano to go on strike. It wasn’t beyond the Catalans giants to offer a bite-sized advice to Luis Suarez to make his position at Liverpool impossible after the World Cup. It came as little surprise when Coutinho feigned injury. The most intriguing part of the Coutinho saga will begin when the player returns.
Egos need to be swallowed, mutually. It’s upto Phil Coutinho, the player who was given the Liverpool armband days before his e-mailed transfer request, to apologise and own up. It’s also (critically) important for Klopp to put an arm around the naive young man and make him realise that Barcelona couldn’t care less about his reputation.
Barcelona merely sees Coutinho as a passive instrument of the kind of institution they represent. Its well-being is dependant on the simple arithmetics of votes, trophies, tax dollars evaded, and not sentiment. Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool is home, Josep Bartomeu’s Barcelona is a sideshow with all the cheap tricks showing.
The German word for ‘disappointment’ is enttäuschen. It is an ‘inseparable’ verb. With separable verbs, the prefix comes at the end to provide a meaning that is different to what the root verb would suggest. Inseparable verbs are oft explicit. The root verb of enttäuschen translates to ‘deceive’. Make no mistake, Jürgen Klopp ist sehr, sehr enttäuscht-ed.
The brilliant Raphael Honigstein of the Das Reboot fame – a cleverly-named book on German football’s resurrection (the title inspired by Das Boot, a movie about a German WWII submarine which rose from the craggy blue jaws of death, despite sustaining heavy damage) – is writing Klopp’s biography. He states in the book that if there was one lesson the man with a heart the size of the Black Forest learned in his all his years of management, it is the importance of squad depth.
When John W. Henry leaned over the table, Jürgen Klopp met halfway. Liverpool’s golden handshake included a promise of squad depth, but along with it came the compromise of Klopp having to muster the reserves of all his managerial talent to bring the most out of the group of players he had and reach the Champions League.
A splurge was guaranteed only once it becomes easier to attract the players and pay lesser benefits to agents (Liverpool spent more than £14m on agents’ fees to lead the 2015 Premier League list which shows total payments at £129.86m). Logistically, it made more sense. Taking on mediocre players costs more to sell. This low-risk/low-reward strategy was on full-display at Liverpool’s last few winter transfer windows.
Fast forward to the 1st of September, Liverpool are in the Champions League and Phil Coutinho wants out. While the former was expected, the latter was untimely. Having signed a five-year contract, Coutinho felt confident enough in Klopp’s vision of building a Liverpool team around him to take on Europe.
Simon Hughes of the Independent reported earlier today how Brendan Rodgers’ ego made former Liverpool Academy Director-turned-Sporting Director Pep Segura’s position untenable, causing the Spaniard to resign on-the-spot. Pep Segura, now a Barcelona sporting director, made ransacking Liverpool of its crown-jewel his holy mission.
“We know that we have to strengthen the team and that’s what we will continue to do in the coming days.
“We have to help the team. We’re close [to Coutinho and Dembele], we’re talking about the conditions but until everything is finalised, we can’t say anything else. We hope they will wear a Barca shirt.”
– Pep Segura. Barcelona General Manager to TV3, 17th August.
The assumed air of Pep Segura’s declarations regarding Coutinho, days after the FSG statement of non-cooperation undermined the Liverpool owners. The manner of sabotage advising Coutinho to make himself unavailable ahead of Liverpool’s crucial Champions League Qualifier vs Hoffenheim went beyond the Barcelona custom of player-tapping. The irreverent means used by Segura was a slap in the face to his former employers. John W. Henry would not have any of that.
‘Legacy-building’ is a key-word the Fenway Sporting Group often use in their presentations. The resuscitation of the Boston Red Sox will be a time-honoured example of that in American sporting history. Their epic swindle with former British Airways CEO, Martin Broughton (who was in charge of finding sellers for Liverpool) saved Liverpool from the clutches of liquidation. Selling Coutinho, despite being in a position of strength would have sent all the wrong signals to an already on-edge fan-base, potential players, as well as the rest of Europeans sharks, and made dust of the foundations they have stood on.
The Coutinho no-sell has set the template for Champions League clubs to subvert player power. Liverpool have been victims of top players overriding contractual obligations in recent memory. The event sets a powerful precedent. For too long the club has been bullied into selling by agents. Liverpool, like others, are now beginning to exercise the powers of a contract, a team of lawyers, and the luxury of Champions League-shaped cash-cushion.
Wittingly/unwittingly, the move has also inspired RB Leipzig and Southampton to show the same kind of savvy staunchness. The clubs are beginning to wrestle back the narrative from the middle-men (something John Barnes predicted last year). Player power will take a downturn, as will agents’ fees. Liverpool could have reported Barcelona, but refusing to do business altogether sends a far more resounding reply, that may perhaps send ripples across Europe.
Agents now more than ever, will be more inclined to set up release clauses in improved contracts, which consequently, will allow the club to negotiate a figure that comes closest to their projected valuation of the player. In the current climate of market inflation, clubs stand the chance of being well-compensated. The knock-on effect could see agent fees the buying club pays during sign-on take a proportionable dive.
The Mes Que Un Club are slipping. The Neymar faux pas has exposed Barcelona’s warty underbelly. Liverpool has grudges to hold. It wasn’t beyond Barcelona to ask Javier Mascherano to go on strike. It wasn’t beyond the Catalans giants to offer a bite-sized advice to Luis Suarez to make his position at Liverpool impossible after the World Cup. It came as little surprise when Coutinho feigned injury. The most intriguing part of the Coutinho saga will begin when the player returns.
Egos need to be swallowed, mutually. It’s upto Phil Coutinho, the player who was given the Liverpool armband days before his e-mailed transfer request, to apologise and own up. It’s also (critically) important for Klopp to put an arm around the naive young man and make him realise that Barcelona couldn’t care less about his reputation.
Barcelona merely sees Coutinho as a passive instrument of the kind of institution they represent. Its well-being is dependant on the simple arithmetics of votes, trophies, tax dollars evaded, and not sentiment. Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool is home, Josep Bartomeu’s Barcelona is a sideshow with all the cheap tricks showing.
Excellent article.
BYKRISTIAN WALSH
Liverpool have named Philippe Coutinho in their Champions League squad, as the club begin the process of reintegrating the Brazilian back into the side.
The wantaway midfielder was subject to three bids from Barcelona this summer – all rejected – as he agitated for a move away from Anfield.
His camp had suggested the player was to ask to be omitted from the competition with the Reds prior to the close of the transfer window, but he has been selected as expected, meaning he can not represent another club this campaign.
The club had to submit their list to UEFA by Friday, when Spanish clubs were still allowed to do transfer business.
Despite having an extra day to complete deals, Barcelona did not lodge a fourth bid, finally accepting Liverpool's consistent stance that their player was not for sale.
The Catalan club did claim the Reds had named their price for Coutinho on Friday – 200million euros – but senior Anfield officials dismissed those claims, something which is supported by Coutinho's presence in the Champions League.
It means Jurgen Klopp will have Coutinho at his disposal for the opening group stage game against Sevilla on September 13 – which could be his first start for the club since submitting his transfer request last month.
The 25-year-old is yet to feature for Liverpool so far this season, claiming to be suffering from a back injury, but made his first competitive appearance of the campaign for Brazil on Friday, and could yet again feature against Colombia on Tuesday.
Klopp could bring him back into the fold against Manchester City on Saturday, although he won't return from the Colombian city of Barranquilla, situated 4,500 miles from Liverpool, until Wednesday.
The Reds boss has made it clear the Brazilian will be welcomed back into the first-team fold at Anfield.
“We have our situation and Dortmund has another,” Klopp said.
“Don't believe everything in the press or that there are offers here and there and that the minute after the offer has been entered, it should already be over.
“We are not like George Orwell where everybody knows everything immediately. We have exactly the situation we wanted and no other.
“Dortmund decided the player (Dembele) would leave them, so I cannot compare the two situations.
“We still have a really good player in the squad who can play.”
Liverpool's squad – which is made up of 25 'List A' players, and an unlimited number of players born after January 1, 1996 – can now not be changed until the round of 16, should they progress from their group, which also contains Maribor and Spartak Moscow.
Ahead of the round of 16, by midnight on February 1, clubs can register a maximum of three new players – but only one of those can have played in this season's Europa League, and none in the Champions League.
- 09:02, 4 SEP 2017
Liverpool have named Philippe Coutinho in their Champions League squad, as the club begin the process of reintegrating the Brazilian back into the side.
The wantaway midfielder was subject to three bids from Barcelona this summer – all rejected – as he agitated for a move away from Anfield.
His camp had suggested the player was to ask to be omitted from the competition with the Reds prior to the close of the transfer window, but he has been selected as expected, meaning he can not represent another club this campaign.
The club had to submit their list to UEFA by Friday, when Spanish clubs were still allowed to do transfer business.
Despite having an extra day to complete deals, Barcelona did not lodge a fourth bid, finally accepting Liverpool's consistent stance that their player was not for sale.
The Catalan club did claim the Reds had named their price for Coutinho on Friday – 200million euros – but senior Anfield officials dismissed those claims, something which is supported by Coutinho's presence in the Champions League.
It means Jurgen Klopp will have Coutinho at his disposal for the opening group stage game against Sevilla on September 13 – which could be his first start for the club since submitting his transfer request last month.
The 25-year-old is yet to feature for Liverpool so far this season, claiming to be suffering from a back injury, but made his first competitive appearance of the campaign for Brazil on Friday, and could yet again feature against Colombia on Tuesday.
Klopp could bring him back into the fold against Manchester City on Saturday, although he won't return from the Colombian city of Barranquilla, situated 4,500 miles from Liverpool, until Wednesday.
The Reds boss has made it clear the Brazilian will be welcomed back into the first-team fold at Anfield.
“We have our situation and Dortmund has another,” Klopp said.
“Don't believe everything in the press or that there are offers here and there and that the minute after the offer has been entered, it should already be over.
“We are not like George Orwell where everybody knows everything immediately. We have exactly the situation we wanted and no other.
“Dortmund decided the player (Dembele) would leave them, so I cannot compare the two situations.
“We still have a really good player in the squad who can play.”
Liverpool's squad – which is made up of 25 'List A' players, and an unlimited number of players born after January 1, 1996 – can now not be changed until the round of 16, should they progress from their group, which also contains Maribor and Spartak Moscow.
Ahead of the round of 16, by midnight on February 1, clubs can register a maximum of three new players – but only one of those can have played in this season's Europa League, and none in the Champions League.
[article]Sport put together a live blog of the Coutinho situation on August 31st, explaining a ‘funeral’ like atmosphere.
They’ve reiterated the same claim in their Monday newspaper. In a lengthy article on ‘The frustration of Coutinho’, Sport say that after the Brazil v Ecuador match, there was a ‘funeral atmosphere’.
Coutinho was ‘crestfallen as never before’ and now faces taking a ‘flight he never wanted’ back to Liverpool.
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Another Catalan paper, another gobbet of Barcelona bile. What's new?
I wonder what else is on Coutinho's Crestfallen List?
If being denied a move to Barcelona is the number one, clear winner, as the defining "crestfallen as never before" moment, what event did it usurp?
Was it it seeing his haircut when he first joined?
His performance in the second half of the Europa League final?
His first chips and curry sauce takeaway from The Lobster Pot?
If being denied a move to Barcelona is the number one, clear winner, as the defining "crestfallen as never before" moment, what event did it usurp?
Was it it seeing his haircut when he first joined?
His performance in the second half of the Europa League final?
His first chips and curry sauce takeaway from The Lobster Pot?
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