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Comolli Sacked!
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* the old owners (americans) were up to their eyeballs in debt.
* the transfer budget became smaller and smaller and eventually we were making a profit in transfer windows.
* we're on the brink of administration
* the star striker wants out as he feels he wont win shit at this club
* new owners by the club (americans)
* he has a huge sum of money burning a hole in our pocket
that is where we were as a club when carroll was purchased
when did I say we should keep torres?
the bottom line is the carroll purchase doesn't become black and white becuase we now have the benefit of hindsight. in hindsight, in retrospect it looks like a bad decision but AT THE TIME there were reasons we did what we did.
What I find confusing about FSG's policy is that only half of it currently seems to be active. As far as I understand it, the aim is to buy very good youth prospects and also proven talent in their early to mid-20s. The first is working but the second has obviously been wildly erratic. What's more, the stated strategy as far as the connection between a and b is that no up and coming young talent should have his road to the first team blocked by us buying long-term prospects for that position. This is where I'd question FSG's attitude, because there's a need in the short term to improve some of those positions, IMHO with proven experienced players on short term deals (players who, at that stage in their careers, might well be more willing to join a non CL team). But FSG appear to dscourage such deals. So we have good young prospects who aren't yet ready, and the likes of Henderson. What's missing, I think, is pragmatism - if they want the team to stabilise and gel far more rapidly, it makes sense to look for a couple of players who can do in the short term what the likes of Hamman did. If FSG are content to sit back and wait two or three years for a real team to emerge, then fine for them, but they don't seem to have that patience. There's a gap between one part of their plan and the other, and if they don't learn to encourage greater flexibility in the transfer market that gap will start looking like a chasm.
I've thought thats what the purchases of Adam, Bellamy and Downing were about, buying short term players to keep us performing whilst the youngsters, Henderson, Coates, Carroll, Shelvey grow with the team. Unfortunately however, only one of those first three have really made the desired effect.
look, I'm not saying it is was right to take the fans feelings into consideration with regards to spending such a large sum of money, what I'm saying is after what the club had gone through for the past year you can at least 'understand' why they did what they did.
stop trying to make it's something I would personally have done because if were in charge and I had 35m burning a hole in my pocket there is no way on this earth I would have bought carroll.
Well, Bellamy struck me as the one sign of flexibility and pragmatism we've shown. Adam, surely, is either here for a few years or will have to be sold off at a loss, and the same goes big time for Downing. That's where I sympathise with Comolli or anyone in that position: FSG want to have their cake and eat it now, they want youth players to come gradually through the system and have time to bed into the first XI, and they want the first team to compete with other very settled and very expensively assembled teams more or less immediately. I think you need strong commitment to an intermediary policy to help those two aims to thrive. At the moment neither Werner nor Henry convinces me that they really know how football clubs compete in the here and now.
hahahahaha. That tickled me
It's at such moments that top quality management with a plan comes in to it's own. Comolli clearly didn't have the ability, tghe vision. the sense of purpose to be the driving force of a DoF that would take LFC forward. I think you're right Froggie... sometimes management have to make "unpopular" decisions for the greater good or for the long term strategy.
Hindsight and all that... but really Carroll was the sort of purchase you pursue if you think ytou can get him at a great bargin price. Collectively, we would have cried more over Torres leaving and no-one being bought in to replace him... but it would have been absolutely the right decision to not spend 35m on a snap purchase of Andy Carroll. We botched ourselves in to a bad position and then compounded it by making a series of additional costly mistakes that even the most idiotic internet poster could see was baffling.
I don't buy the "everyone knew we had 35m burning a hole in our pocket so we were going to get fleeced" argument should stand - it's nonsense. That's just basic negotiating skills... if we'd been Man Utd we'd have screwed another 15m out of Chelsea for Torres and told Newcastle to go fuck themselves for anything over 18m.
Anyway we all know this. Commolli's not a scapegoat - he's been part of the problem because he's not actually very good at what he does - adn that's generally the opinion of pretty much every club he's worked for.
i honestly think the signings of Downing and Adam, and even Bellamy, were all done because Kenny badly wanted them, totally independent of any larger strategy from FSG or even Comolli. There's no way Downing, in particular, can be seen in any light other than FSG not wanting to rock the boat too much with a manager who the fans love and who wouldn't appreciate too much interference.
For better or worse, I can't see Kenny having much of a say in things this summer.
it will be interesting to see what direction we go in with regards to new signings but the way I see it we are a little at a cross roads,
on the one hand you have carroll and downing and adam - this will get you one type of football
on the other hand you have suarez, maxi, bellamy - this will get you another type of football
so do we buy footballers that enhance the former group or the latter group?
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Were'nt we scouting and linked with Adam before Kenny was brought in as manager?
Well neither exactly fill me with confidence as bases to work from! The first group I don't rate, and 2 of the second group are well into their twilight years. But I'm fairly confident we won't be seeing any signings that seem to be focused on getting the best out of Carroll; the big question for me is whether we'll try to sell those 3 on to help fund a proper rebuilding program. It's a big task when you look at who'd be left in the squad to make up the front 5 positions:
Gerrard (32)
Maxi (31)
Shelvey (20)
Henderson (21)
Kuyt (32)
Sterling (17)
Suarez (25)
Bellamy (33)
That'd need some serious investment, or some serious patience, or at least a combination of the 2, before we're ready to compete again for the title. It's one of the reasons I'd happily sell Johnson if that big offer came in: we can do so much more with £15m and £100k a week than spend it on a 27 year old rather injury-prone and gaffe-prone, if classy, right back.
Not as far as I'm aware. It seems no-one really knows anything for sure, but I've definitely seen a journalist (I think it was Rory Smith) say that Adam and Downing were definitely Kenny's choices, and that he pushed hard to get them.
kenny is allowed a couple of howlers, every manager has them.
My memory of this, and it is far from infalible, is that we were linked with Adam, even before the January window opened.
Could be wrong though
Yes, actually I think you're right, I seem to remember one or 2 stories linking us with him before the Christmas. Tbh though, I'm pretty sure they were even before the takeover happened, way back in September or something. So probably just coincidence. Here's the tweet from Rory Smith:
Just to clear 1 thing up: all of#LFC's signings were jointly approved apart from (definitely) Adam and (reportedly) Downing. They were KD.
Just to clear 1 thing up: all of
Of course, I'm not saying otherwise.
Several Premiership clubs were interested in Adam and of course Spurs were very interested in getting him. I must be in a tiny minority but I wanted us to get him and still think he could improve if played in a more coherent midfield system.
the comolli appointment has really muddied the waters as it's difficult to tell who wanted whom.
sure, kenny is saying there are his signings but there are two reasons that he may be bullshiting
1) no way will he say the signings were all comolli's, as it would undermine all the signings made in the 3 transfer windows comolli was here.
2) no way would kenny rip into a former work colleague as he is a very honourable man.
sure, kenny is saying there are his signings but there are two reasons that he may be bullshiting
1) no way will he say the signings were all comolli's, as it would undermine all the signings made in the 3 transfer windows comolli was here.
2) no way would kenny rip into a former work colleague as he is a very honourable man.
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