Kenny and Cruyff working together? Somehow i can't see it.
Comolli Sacked!
- Thread starter Ryan
- Start date
- Latest activity Latest activity:
- Status
Kenny and Cruyff working together? Somehow i can't see it.
The Catalan national side? What the fuck is that?
The national team of Catalonia I think Gene
R
RedZeppelin III
Guest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia_national_football_team
even reina has played as a guest for them !
Nor me...
...he riddled
I take it from kenny's further comments, Commoli bought who Kenny wanted but spanked way too much money in the process and wanted extra this summer......
R
RedZeppelin III
Guest
R
RedZeppelin III
Guest
I'll be honest , i am not too impressed with today's events at all . Don't get me wrong , i don't care about Comolli or some Doctor but I just don't see how these guys can fully take the blame for the results and Kenny in a sense "gets away with it" . Again i am not saying sack Kenny right now but the logic that bad results haven't really been his fault makes no sense considering these are the players he wanted and picks week in , week out . Obviously i don't know what exactly was happening at the club and if they were truly hindering Kenny's work but with Comolli at least it doesn't sound like Kenny thought he was .
It feels like we've put all our eggs in the kenny basket and considering how this season has gone i am a little worried that's not the wisest thing to do .
It feels like we've put all our eggs in the kenny basket and considering how this season has gone i am a little worried that's not the wisest thing to do .
It looks to me like our owners are both ruthless and clueless.
This article made sense:
Tony Barrett
Published 29 minutes ago
Damien Comolli’s dismissal by Liverpool was as unexpected as it was eye-catching. Having taken over as director of football only 18 months ago, the Frenchman was widely viewed as a key figure in Fenway Sports Group’s vision for the club’s future, but yesterday’s surprise developments ensured that the Frenchman has already been consigned to Liverpool’s past.
With the shockwaves caused by Comolli’s departure still being felt, The Times examines the reasons why he became surplus to requirements at Anfield so suddenly and what it tells us about Liverpool’s owners and their plans for the club.
Why act now?
Two days before an FA Cup semi-final is spectacularly bad timing to make such a shocking move. But it also illustrates the extent of Comolli’s fall from grace that FSG would risk jeopardising preparations for the clash with Everton to discharge the Frenchman when his removal could have been delayed.
The reality is that within months of appointing Comolli as director of football in 2010, leading figures at FSG were already admitting privately that they had acted in haste by recruiting him as a direct result of their lack of faith in Roy Hodgson.
From that point on, the 39-year-old was battling to save his job and his fate was sealed during meetings with Liverpool’s owners in Florida and Merseyside in which they came to the conclusion that his vision for the future of the club was at odds with their own. The decision was made to act immediately and decisively to allow Comolli’s replacement the time and resources to prepare for the opening of the transfer window in June.
What does this tell us about FSG?
Somewhat belatedly, it tells us that Liverpool’s owners are ruthless and are not afraid of making controversial decisions, a message that will have been keenly felt by everyone at Anfield from Kenny Dalglish down to the players.
If FSG bought the club on October 15, 2010, yesterday was the day that it finally took control. “When it’s time to act, we need to act,” Tom Werner, the chairman, told Liverpool’s official website. By removing Comolli and Peter Brukner, the club’s head of sports medicine and sports science, the owners showed a level of authority that had previously been lacking, with a number of decisions delayed or fudged.
That just hours before Comolli was informed that his services were no longer required, he had enjoyed a lunch meeting with John W. Henry and Werner without being given any indication of what lay in store, establishes the Americans as ruthless operators.
What was the “disconnect” that led to Comolli’s downfall?
“We’ve had a strategy that we have agreed on. There was some disconnect on the implementation of that,” Werner said, adding a cryptic element to the situation. In simple terms, FSG’s vision for Liverpool was to establish a playing squad with a strong base built on the recruitment of promising young and largely unknown players.
That was Comolli’s objective but it failed to transpire with Liverpool instead signing several established Premier League players for peak prices. When that diversion from the agreed strategy failed to yield results, FSG’s frustration with Comolli grew and their concern with him was exacerbated by Newcastle United having success with a similar approach to the one that Liverpool were supposed to be following armed with the £35 million fee they received for Andy Carroll.
Did Dalglish play a part in Comolli’s removal?
Contrary to earlier predictions that there would eventually be a power struggle between the pair, Comolli and Dalglish enjoyed a productive working relationship. There was no plot hatched inside the manager’s office, Comolli’s reign was brought to an end by his superiors not as a result of a coup d’état by those with whom he worked.
Yesterday Dalglish went to great lengths to accept full responsibility for Liverpool’s signings when he could easily have hidden behind Comolli’s removal. This demonstrated both his respect for his former colleague and his determination not to allow the situation to undermine those players who had been formally signed by Comolli.
But the most significant aspect of Dalglish’s public pronouncements was that he clearly does not have a problem with working under a director of football. It is a model he prefers because the division of powers frees him up from the formal elements of management.
What does the exit of Comolli mean for Liverpool’s recent signings?
FSG has determined that Liverpool’s biggest weakness in the transfer market is a chronic failure to get value for money. Given that one of Comolli’s duties was to negotiate fees, the responsibility for this shortcoming was always going to fall on his shoulders.
The most vivid illustration of his negotiating tactics was provided by Derek Llambias, the Newcastle United chief executive, who was recorded detailing Comolli’s strategy during the talks that led to Carroll joining Liverpool for a £35 million fee.
Llambias told of how he was stunned when Liverpool made an initial offer of £30 million for the forward but still asked for a further £5 million with the full fee to be paid up front. Comolli agreed.
It is the inability to derive value, rather than the identity of the players signed, that has most irked FSG, hence its decision to dispense with Comolli and offer support to Dalglish. Comolli paid the price for paying over the odds, now it is up to Dalglish to find a way of getting more out of the players that were recruited at his request.
Tony Barrett
Published 29 minutes ago
Damien Comolli’s dismissal by Liverpool was as unexpected as it was eye-catching. Having taken over as director of football only 18 months ago, the Frenchman was widely viewed as a key figure in Fenway Sports Group’s vision for the club’s future, but yesterday’s surprise developments ensured that the Frenchman has already been consigned to Liverpool’s past.
With the shockwaves caused by Comolli’s departure still being felt, The Times examines the reasons why he became surplus to requirements at Anfield so suddenly and what it tells us about Liverpool’s owners and their plans for the club.
Why act now?
Two days before an FA Cup semi-final is spectacularly bad timing to make such a shocking move. But it also illustrates the extent of Comolli’s fall from grace that FSG would risk jeopardising preparations for the clash with Everton to discharge the Frenchman when his removal could have been delayed.
The reality is that within months of appointing Comolli as director of football in 2010, leading figures at FSG were already admitting privately that they had acted in haste by recruiting him as a direct result of their lack of faith in Roy Hodgson.
From that point on, the 39-year-old was battling to save his job and his fate was sealed during meetings with Liverpool’s owners in Florida and Merseyside in which they came to the conclusion that his vision for the future of the club was at odds with their own. The decision was made to act immediately and decisively to allow Comolli’s replacement the time and resources to prepare for the opening of the transfer window in June.
What does this tell us about FSG?
Somewhat belatedly, it tells us that Liverpool’s owners are ruthless and are not afraid of making controversial decisions, a message that will have been keenly felt by everyone at Anfield from Kenny Dalglish down to the players.
If FSG bought the club on October 15, 2010, yesterday was the day that it finally took control. “When it’s time to act, we need to act,” Tom Werner, the chairman, told Liverpool’s official website. By removing Comolli and Peter Brukner, the club’s head of sports medicine and sports science, the owners showed a level of authority that had previously been lacking, with a number of decisions delayed or fudged.
That just hours before Comolli was informed that his services were no longer required, he had enjoyed a lunch meeting with John W. Henry and Werner without being given any indication of what lay in store, establishes the Americans as ruthless operators.
What was the “disconnect” that led to Comolli’s downfall?
“We’ve had a strategy that we have agreed on. There was some disconnect on the implementation of that,” Werner said, adding a cryptic element to the situation. In simple terms, FSG’s vision for Liverpool was to establish a playing squad with a strong base built on the recruitment of promising young and largely unknown players.
That was Comolli’s objective but it failed to transpire with Liverpool instead signing several established Premier League players for peak prices. When that diversion from the agreed strategy failed to yield results, FSG’s frustration with Comolli grew and their concern with him was exacerbated by Newcastle United having success with a similar approach to the one that Liverpool were supposed to be following armed with the £35 million fee they received for Andy Carroll.
Did Dalglish play a part in Comolli’s removal?
Contrary to earlier predictions that there would eventually be a power struggle between the pair, Comolli and Dalglish enjoyed a productive working relationship. There was no plot hatched inside the manager’s office, Comolli’s reign was brought to an end by his superiors not as a result of a coup d’état by those with whom he worked.
Yesterday Dalglish went to great lengths to accept full responsibility for Liverpool’s signings when he could easily have hidden behind Comolli’s removal. This demonstrated both his respect for his former colleague and his determination not to allow the situation to undermine those players who had been formally signed by Comolli.
But the most significant aspect of Dalglish’s public pronouncements was that he clearly does not have a problem with working under a director of football. It is a model he prefers because the division of powers frees him up from the formal elements of management.
What does the exit of Comolli mean for Liverpool’s recent signings?
FSG has determined that Liverpool’s biggest weakness in the transfer market is a chronic failure to get value for money. Given that one of Comolli’s duties was to negotiate fees, the responsibility for this shortcoming was always going to fall on his shoulders.
The most vivid illustration of his negotiating tactics was provided by Derek Llambias, the Newcastle United chief executive, who was recorded detailing Comolli’s strategy during the talks that led to Carroll joining Liverpool for a £35 million fee.
Llambias told of how he was stunned when Liverpool made an initial offer of £30 million for the forward but still asked for a further £5 million with the full fee to be paid up front. Comolli agreed.
It is the inability to derive value, rather than the identity of the players signed, that has most irked FSG, hence its decision to dispense with Comolli and offer support to Dalglish. Comolli paid the price for paying over the odds, now it is up to Dalglish to find a way of getting more out of the players that were recruited at his request.
R
RedZeppelin III
Guest
but it's still ridiculous that they let him pay those prices without questioning things . I guess due to their inexperience in the game they naively trusted him with the money but surely Kenny could have spoken up and knew the budget available .
But yeah they obviously feel they rushed into a mistake by giving him the job . Interesting to see where they go from here or if they can ever find someone to implement the strategy they think will work .
But yeah they obviously feel they rushed into a mistake by giving him the job . Interesting to see where they go from here or if they can ever find someone to implement the strategy they think will work .
i reckon comolli got sacked because he is the opposite of moneyball. andy carroll for 35 million is the opposite of moneyball.
Wow. Sad reading. Especially the Carroll Part. Commoli scapegoated for Carroll.
Andy Carroll is a creditcube signing.
My issue with with Barrett has to sayDALGLISH, and this whole debacle is that it seems to be blaDALGLISHming the wrong man.
"Comolli failed to get value for money". Well, maybe so. DALGLISHBut isn't that a bit 'woods for the trees'. Look, we offered NewcasDALGLISHtle 30M and eventually agreed to 35M. Sure that's a loss of 5M due to shite negotiating, but isn't the bigger issue the fact that someoneDALGLISH asked for him in the first place?
'Go and get me SDALGLISHtewart downing, Jordan Henderson, Andy Carroll and Charlie Adam please Damien' is your fucking problem, not that we were fleeced a few extra millionDALGLISH.
"Comolli failed to get value for money". Well, maybe so. DALGLISHBut isn't that a bit 'woods for the trees'. Look, we offered NewcasDALGLISHtle 30M and eventually agreed to 35M. Sure that's a loss of 5M due to shite negotiating, but isn't the bigger issue the fact that someoneDALGLISH asked for him in the first place?
'Go and get me SDALGLISHtewart downing, Jordan Henderson, Andy Carroll and Charlie Adam please Damien' is your fucking problem, not that we were fleeced a few extra millionDALGLISH.
And exactly who is it looking for this other manager? They don't know football, that is why they hired Comolli in the first place. He failed, and in business the director take the responsibility whoever is to blame. They will not look for a manager, they will look for someone who will run the sport affiliate for them!
Haha. I am quite sure he was sacked because he was not the right man to take this club forward. A lot of people here seem to think his job was to negotiate fees, and Kenny did the rest. But Damien Comolli was actually in charge of football. he was the one to call the shots. if he didn't call them he has got himself to blame. And to be fair he doesn't seem to fit the bill either. He has some experience as a scout etc, but the footie business is tough and brutal and this position is to big for some people, including Comolli.
you can't can't blame the yanks as the signings of the last three transfer windows totally fly in the face of moneyball but you do have to wonder why kenny wasn't removed as well and I think the only reason for that is the semi final.
Former Ajax, Barcelona and Bayern Munich manager Louis van Gaal, 60, is interested in the vacant director of football post at Liverpool.
Full story: The Times
Full story: The Times
and more than likely why they didn't give him a penny in the jan transfer window as they thought he'd only waste it.
so with relief we can cross darren bent and defoe off the transfer list for the summer
- Status
