It's been on the cards for a while. FFP is obsolete, and the Super League didn't take off.
FSG needed one or the other to keep us competitive and our current value maintained.
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It's been on the cards for a while. FFP is obsolete, and the Super League didn't take off.
FSG needed one or the other to keep us competitive and our current value maintained.
Have you seen the City accounts mate? Probably not that relevant here but published on the same day that FSG put us up for sale.
Revenues of £613m, the second highest in Premier League history, the first-ever squad in the top flight to cost more than £1bn. and commercial revenues of £309m - a figure some £91m higher than that of Liverpool's in 2020/21 - made for what City chairman Khaldoon Al-Mubarak described in an accompanying statement as "the most successful financial year in the club's history". That was backed up the fact that they made a record profit of £41.7m.
City's wage bill fell slightly, although the financials do not include the signings of the likes of Erling Haaland and Kalvin Phillips. In 2021/22, they spent £384m on their payroll, which is £73m higher than the £311m the Reds spent in 2020/21, although that latter figure is likely to be higher when their 2021/22 accounts are published.
Player trading and profit on player sales was also of huge benefit to City, something that Liverpool themselves have enjoyed success with in recent years. City made almost £68m in player sale profits in their latest accounts, something that turned a £23m operating loss into a profit.
City CEO Ferran Soriano, in a statement, said: "The £67.7m profit City generated from the transfer of players' registrations took the total from the last five years above £250m from this increasingly material source of income.
"This will grow even further in 2022-23, boosted by an unprecedented post-season summer of transfer activity that generated the highest ever gross player receipts in Premier League history, both in a summer window and over a calendar year."
It isnt possible to have a fair fight with City financially to say the least.
That was my first thought when I heard this news.
I take these financials with a pinch of salt too. It doesn't take a genius to massage numbers to make them look good to the public eye. At the end of the day, football clubs are businesses whether we like it or not, and what happens regularly in the corporate world, applies in the footballing world too.
If this sale means we become the latest sportswashed club, I can't be alone in feeling its going to be very difficult to give a shit about the club anymore? Like I'd probably still watch us and celebrate a bit when we win, but the passion? Not sure that'll be there whilst Anfields full of state officials from countries who torture journalists, persecute homosexuals and regularly abuse human rights.
Their sacrifice will be recognized in our pursuit for success.
FSG will do what's in the best interest of FSG, business is all about profitability and exploring new adventures. In 10 years at LFC they wouldv'e banked at least 3bill...they wouldv'e drawn out a plan of goals what they wanted to achieve and they've done it, perhaps they see their work here as complete.
We as fans can't really be angered about that.
We as fans can't really be angered about that.
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*mini-rant - no offence Mystic at you personally*
But which countries are we talking about here? UK? USA?
I do find the self-righteous nature of many liberal folk to be very off-putting. Like just because the Arabs have some practices you don't like, it somehow makes them uncivilised or "behind the times" in some respect.
In many ways, they're looking at you and looking at the way the UK/USA treat black/ethnic people as human rights abuses, or the way they have imposed a LGBTQ agenda in the classroom as warping young ppls minds, or the way you get cancelled for saying anything remotely non-PC as abuse of freedom of speech, or the way the governments in these countries treat their veteran/poor/homeless as abuse.. let's not even talk about Guantanamo Bay.
And yet, we're here acting like the moral compass of virtue.
Give over.
USA/British Colonial money has more blood on it, than any other money in possibly the history of the world. And yet, we're the ones feigning outrage at Arabs?
I'm not feigning outrage at anyone.
Set aside where the money is coming from for a moment. The fastest way to achieve success right now in world football is to be given lots and lots of money. Not because you earned it, or made smarter decisions, or because successes in the past brought heritage, fans, and yes, income, just well... Because.
That's a story that's available anywhere in the world, everywhere you look. Maybe it's all bullshit now, and maybe it was because my dad implanted it my undeveloped brain like any religion, but there was always some little thread of magic running through Liverpool independent of everything else in the world.
More and more football is just of this world, not a break from it. If we do get sold outright, this decision will likely eclipse every other thing that has happened in this club in terms of import on a practical basis. But I dont want to give a shit about it, at all.
I'd genuinely rather we were mostly shit and punched above our weight occasionally. I liked football more when we were shit anyway. I won't give a fuck when Newcastle win the league, and no one gives a fuck when city win it for the umpteenth time. The way we did it wasn't so hollow.
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So if a UK/US Billionaire comes in and buys the club and puts in ridiculous amounts of money, you'll feel the same?
If so, then fine.
I'm mainly against the implied assertion that Middle-eastern money is somehow "dirtier" than Western money.
What ? - you mean to say that you Vikings have stopped pillaging and raping ? - come on man where is that Viking blood for new business ventures ? - get on those boats put the two horned helmets on and head for that old ground you guys use to visit for fresh meat and veg !!!
That is definitely what is the cause for this. We got the main blood sucker of the City in Goldmans getting their greedy hands ready to facilitate the process.
If they did, I would feel the same, but they won't, because if they wanted to feel better about the vast amount of wealth they had, they would typically turn to philanthropy, not advertising. Perhaps Chelsea is doing this right now, but I tend not to think so.
The owners we've seen most recently fuck up the league have been part of autocratic regimes with zero democratic instructions, no? There's a lot to hate about the UK and the USA and their past, but I don't think it's particularly difficult to desperate the two.
I'll believe it when I see it, but here's hoping this might be signalling the fact that they know more player investment is needed than they've stumped up so far.
USA and the UK invade nations, colonise and steal wealth. And ppl within the US/UK benefit and get wealthy from this theft.
Those autocratic regimes you talk about usually only lord over their own people.
I guess it depends on perspectives.
I wonder if this announcement is being made because FSG have secretly pre-committed to big investments for this winter and summer?
It's like they've committed to getting some expensive new blood in but now they are relinquishing some ownership percentage to cover these incoming purchases?
I remember when we finally got VVD in the winter transfer period it was so lovely...maybe we get another expensive winter present in 2023?
It's like they've committed to getting some expensive new blood in but now they are relinquishing some ownership percentage to cover these incoming purchases?
I remember when we finally got VVD in the winter transfer period it was so lovely...maybe we get another expensive winter present in 2023?
So your counter point to me implying I don't want our club to be owned by an authoritarian state that's acts as I mention above, is to tell me the USA and UK aren't that great either? (with a light sprinkle of dantes level right wing nonsense to boot) Thats some peak whataboutism and completely irrelevant to the point I'm making, as I clearly state I don't want the club to become a sportswashed club. That would apply to any nation that purchased the club for this reason, even if realistically it's only going to be an authoritarian government that would do this.
I'll put this simply, I do not wish for Liverpool football club to be run as anything other than a self-sustaining business, as it has always been run. I especially don't want it to be run as a geopolitical propaganda tool for nations whose authoritarian governments participate in the nefarious practises I mentioned in my first post.
Yeah... But this isn't a game of he without sin should cast the first stone. How wide do you want to make the net where the guy making money as a businessman within a cleptocracy with some significant remaining democratic institutions is somehow equivalent to the guy running an absolutist state.
Cast it any wider and Liverpool as a team can't be supported because the whole city is a monument to colonialism and the slave trade.
This is a silly slippery slope. There's a difference between the money from despots and those from profiteers. You can see it even now in how they behave as one launders money and one chases profit.
A football club is a vanity project, not sure the Norwegian are into that.
Does anyone remember DIC, I remember alot of people rubbing their hands and now 10 years on we have become ethical.
We're probably going to go for £3bn plus, and the only people who have that money are crooks or people tied to crooks.
The Ratcliffe guy is a cunt who pushed for Brexit and then decided to build his car firm in France because it was in the EU. We were bemoaning FSGs lack of investment, so the only people who can make us compete with Man City are the Arabs.
Get ethnical owners, we won't be competing. Success means we put up with billionaires who are shady, and all the mega rich are all shady
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