Club up for sale

[The Nomad]

Do you like the idea of the club being run by a narcissistic cunt?

Let's be honest.. most CEOs are narcissistic cunts.. let alone billionaire's.

 

[localny]

What about the two Irish young billionaire brothers that own stripe. Here they are.

 

[localny]

Wrong brothers, here they are
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2019-09-21/stripe-brothers-now-billionaires-video-k0tv55et

 

[StevieM]

I believe that you are wrong, But regardless of that, Club in those countries seem to have a lot more young and up coming players wanting to play for them that go on to be sold for larger sums of money than clubs in England.

Maybe FSG would have to wait a bit longer for those clubs to grow their market value, but the potential is there all the same, and the potential for buying talent cheap and reselling at a vast profit is more regular than the EPL

The money comes from TV deals and the global attraction of the team not selling players.

EPL has the biggest income and they share it out relatively equally amongst all teams - unlike Spain, where Barca & Real hoover up the money.

No-one watches the French & Portuguese leagues.

 

[Donavan Ried]

The money comes from TV deals and the global attraction of the team not selling players.

EPL has the biggest income and they share it out relatively equally amongst all teams - unlike Spain, where Barca & Real hoover up the money.

No-one watches the French & Portuguese leagues.

Money comes from both... With FSG we know that they like the club to generate thier own transfer revenues has seen here at Liverpool so why would they not look to invest elsewhere

 

[peekay]

Money comes from both... With FSG we know that they like the club to generate thier own transfer revenues has seen here at Liverpool so why would they not look to invest elsewhere

Thats the money for running the club. Which is different from the value of the club which is from commercial deals and growth in TV revenue. FSG bought the club for 300 million and are looking to sell it for close to 4 billion. That type of value growth doesnt come from player sales.

We are talking about 50 Coutinho type sales in a decade to make up that amount in transfer dealings.

 

[Red Astaire]

Not so sure.. Mike Gordon is stepping back from day to day duties.

Yeah - I just read that. This must be the middle game then. Looks like we missed the opening gambit. Pawn to E4 is boring anyway. Let's play! 😉

 

[King Binny]

I hope so too. 😛

 

[moron]

Democracy needs capitalism to work. Economic prosperity is a pre-requisite. But Capitalism will always try to eat up and corrupt democracy. So it's a dance.

Really like that - very true.

 

[StevieM]

Thats the money for running the club. Which is different from the value of the club which is from commercial deals and growth in TV revenue. FSG bought the club for 300 million and are looking to sell it for close to 4 billion. That type of value growth doesnt come from player sales.

We are talking about 50 Coutinho type sales in a decade to make up that amount in transfer dealings.

Do you think it’ll get through?

 

[bluebell]

There's one billionaire thats worth close to £10bn, was a boyhood liverpool fan, and has investment in Liverpool City worth £1bn in Liverpool One and that's the Duke of Westminster. Yes, its a toff and would probably need to be part of a consortium but he has a connection to the city.... how many other Billionaires could say that?

 

[peekay]

Do you think it’ll get through?

The sale?, not quite sure. I also hope it doesnt. I know I complain about FSG a lot but I prefer them to most other US sports owners. Pagliuca and all are a bit meh.

 

[Donavan Ried]

Thats the money for running the club. Which is different from the value of the club which is from commercial deals and growth in TV revenue. FSG bought the club for 300 million and are looking to sell it for close to 4 billion. That type of value growth doesnt come from player sales.

We are talking about 50 Coutinho type sales in a decade to make up that amount in transfer dealings.

I know the difference, what I am driving at is the turn over with plays and the money coming to buy new one will help any manager and team progress, which in turn allows them to negotiate the TV rights and grow the brand

 

[Bradley]

Lot of twitter chat about this Ambani fella. Same guy that was mentioned in the thread earlier?

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

I thought it was that Steve Balmer fella ?

What you want is a top, top investor and Steve's definitely one. Worth a cool 119B, he'll make a good owner. I remembered him during the Microsoft days and my days in tech, he propelled them into market leadership in many sectors.

 

[moron]

Lot of twitter chat about this Ambani fella. Same guy that was mentioned in the thread earlier?

Nah, I doubt it, thought he goes to Arsenal games

 

[StevieM]

The sale?, not quite sure. I also hope it doesnt. I know I complain about FSG a lot but I prefer them to most other US sports owners. Pagliuca and all are a bit meh.

No - the explanation.

 

[StevieM]

No - the explanation.

Nope.

 

[Red Astaire]

Lot of twitter chat about this Ambani fella. Same guy that was mentioned in the thread earlier?

There is loads of chat. Looks like his interest has been confirmed by a few sources. Eighth richest person in the world apparently.....

 

[mwake]

I thought it was that Steve Balmer fella ?

What you want is a top, top investor and Steve's definitely one. Worth a cool 119B, he'll make a good owner. I remembered him during the Microsoft days and my days in tech, he propelled them into market leadership in many sectors.

Yeah Ballmer is probably the best of the best we could hope for... Got enough money to make Abrohimovic look like a beggar and we wouldn't have any of that unnecessary political sovereign wealth drama or investment group crap to worry about.

 

[rurikbird]

This sounds intriguing - Liverpool and India seems like a promising mix of cultures. The Bollywood-style player announcements will be dope.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AnfieldWatch/status/1591564514276827137

 

[StevieM]

Ok… I can get behind the idea of Ambani - someone convince me otherwise.

 

[Red Astaire]

Ok… I can get behind the idea of Ambani - someone convince me otherwise.

I wish he was the 7th richest person in the world.... How's that for an argument..... 😗

 

[StevieM]

I wish he was the 7th richest person in the world.... How's that for an argument..... 😗

By he might get there by buying LFC!!!!

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

I present the next witness, Quora for cross-examination, your honour.

https://www.quora.com/How-corrupt-is-Mukesh-Ambani

 

[peekay]

No - the explanation.

I am not sure it has 🙂

 

[Frogfish]

I don't necessarily believe that "democracy" is always a good thing though. There's an assumption that it is and that it's the only way. There's also an assumption that all autocratic regimes are inherently bad. I don't believe that's the case either.

Countries that practice democracy are largely under the thumb of the US/UK/Europe. And they get bullied for resources and trade deals.

Look at my continent Africa and what "democracy" has done to it. What we really needed is a benevolent, intelligent dictator/regime because there is far more theft/crime/disease/poverty in countries with democracy than there are countries under an "autocratic regime". (I've been to UAE/Middle East and they're FAAAR more organised/advanced than we are in Africa).
It's just the reporting of such things, by a Western media, is often skewed, to make one believe that it's only people in these regimes that are suffering in some way. There is good democracy and bad democracy, just like there are good autocratic regimes and bad ones.

Where would most people feel safer? Qatar/Dubai (where you could literally leave your wallet unattended at a bar) or in democracies like South Africa/Nigeria, where you can't walk drive down certain streets at night for fear of getting robbed/killed.

Was Iraq better before or after, they were liberated under the flag of democracy? How about Libya? The US "liberated" them from Gaddafi. Their country is absolute mess right now, since then.

Like I said, I think there's an arrogance in the West, that its way of life is the correct one, and anyone not following so, is somehow unethical.

In terms of Liverpool, I take your/Mystic point on sports-washing (but even that I find a little assumptive that that's what they must be doing). And I also can see that there's certainly going to be a media backlash if we did take money from a regime that wasn't allies with the UK/US. Previously Russian money was "ok" with Usmanov/Ambramovich. Now Russian money is the worst thing in the world. I find it funny how these things change so quickly, according to Western media and the political agenda/climate.

What a good post that I missed. Not that I agree with everything per se but definitely the core/gist.

Unfortunately it's impossible to say what form of government would have been / will be / is better for any country. I've lived under democracy (numerous European countries), dictatorship (Nigeria - 3 regimes), colonialism (HK) and communism (China) and for the most part, for the average punter, I still couldn't tell you which is better with multiple pros & cons to each.

I have come to the conclusion that China under Deng Xiao Ping was probably the best form for this country, and with a population of this size, as otherwise it's likely to be torn asunder (whether that would be beneficial is an entirely other question) and stagnate via debate and inaction. But what is right for any other country is difficult to determine. Being that human beings, especially politicians, are all lying, greedy barstewards out to maintain power at any cost and will corrupt any political system to their own ends.

 

[StevieM]

I present the next witness, Quora for cross-examination, your honour.

https://www.quora.com/How-corrupt-is-Mukesh-Ambani

Thats’s not exactly damning.

It’s not like he’s running around chopping up journalists or such like.

 

[Hyena]

Ambani is fucking rich.

Like motherfucking rich. 2nd richest in Asia rich. Whether that's good or bad, I'm not sure

 

[dmishra]

Ambani is a ruthless businessman. Successful at almost everything he does. Has his hands in almost every sector in India - telecom, energy, retail and even sports.

But part of why he is successful in India is how corrupt the government is, and how pervasive his control of authorities in India is. Reliance can get whatever it wants done from a policy or regulatory perspective in India.

Ambani is not some evil dude, but nobody likes him either. He loves cosying up to the political powers that be. His wife is annoying, his kids too - both love the glam life and love their Bollywood association. Their tastes are garish, loud and not subtle at all.

Now he's run a very successful sports team in the Mumbai Indians - 5 titles - most successful in the IPL, but that's mostly because of being able to throw more money in player auctions than any other team. IPL is a pretty young league, and works very very differently football.

I don't know how they'd run Liverpool. I can guarantee his wife and kids would want to be as high profile as possible and try and throw money at big transfers, just for the visibility it'd bring.

I'd personally hate it because it'd be very cringy, and I can't stand Ambani. But I suppose every billionaire is a cunt, and Ambani isn't any worse than most of them.