Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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You actually don't need studies any more. Just use the vaccination rates in a country that has high rates, and the vaccines were administered in the last 6 months, split it by age cohorts, do the same by age cohorts of people with positive tests, and you'll see that there's a direct correlation between vaccine rates and your likelihood to get it. If the vaccine rate is above 80% and especially when it's closer to 90 and above, there is significantly less chance of you getting it, passing it on, getting sick, dying. It's not even questionable.
The one thing that isn't known, is how many boosters will be needed, could be 4 or 5, we don't know. The rest, including long term affects, likelihood of side effects are well known at this stage.
The one thing that isn't known, is how many boosters will be needed, could be 4 or 5, we don't know. The rest, including long term affects, likelihood of side effects are well known at this stage.
I'm sure someone did that, a few pages ago. I'm sure I discussed, in more detail than I can be arsed to do here.
Yes, they did.
Good one. In reality you have no idea what you're talking about, on anything, because you don't know how to do scientific research, and therefore you don't know how to interpret a single shred of anything that your beliefs are based on, it's all a matter of faith, of source analysis and fact checkers, like a demented religion, and you can't even see it. It's pitiful in a way.
Let's say you took that data, and presented it in a viva voce, to support your phd thesis titled "vaccination slows the spread", you'd fail, you wouldn't even make it to the viva, because your data wouldn't support your thesis, and you'd probably not get a second chance because of how utterly preposterous it was that you'd even consider for a second that it did support your thesis.
I've been dragged in again, and I'm regretting this as I type because am I fuck gonna start wading through data... but there are plenty of places with extremely high vaccination rates that have higher cases than they ever had previously.
Waterford in Ireland, I think? Singapore, Israel, Havard University had a particularly high breakout, a town somewhere in Massachusetts.
Again, I'm not really after a reply or a back and forth. I don't really know why I'm posting this because I'm trying to be all zen
I should have added in, lockdown rates. Comparing lockdown rates, to open economy rates is obviously not a great idea.
At a high level(it's never just one thing) Waterfords cases are in unvaccinated, Israel was due to the waning vaccine, they need boosters, Singapore is that they opened up the economy a little too quickly. A quick look at Harvard and it's something like 70 cases, I don't think it's really worth looking at that or the other small town. Globally, it's effectiveness is undeniable. Well, you'd think anyway.
Yeah, as I said, I'm not really gonna start dissecting stats and doing mental gymnastics to get my head around why or how.
The fact is, they said, get the vaccine and everything will be sound. Cases will go down, it will stop the spread, everything will be done with etc etc. But that's only partly true.
The fact is, they said, get the vaccine and everything will be sound. Cases will go down, it will stop the spread, everything will be done with etc etc. But that's only partly true.
Yep, it's definitely not as smooth as anyone would have hoped.
The amounts of cases in NSW started dropping significantly once they reached 70%+ vaccinated rates.
At 80% and with everything opening up, the numbers haven’t started to go up yet.
VIC hit 80% a few days ago - numbers are lower than a few weeks ago and going down.
Haven’t looked at hospital numbers.
Still early days, things can change, but it’s looking positive.
It'll go back up. It's endemic now and seasonal, and all this claptrap of stopping the virus and imposing restrictions to do so is bullshit. Not to say that nothing should be done of course. But it's a lovely vehicle for those in power to consolidate their control and further profit at everyone else's expense.
But anyway, I digress.
Seeing an increase in cases here as well, but that is largely driven by kids that arent vaccinated.
The North of Norway have started its winter season and as concequence there are more cases.
There will be a new wave this winter, no doubt.
There are a lot of cases at the school near us, and kids who have gotten the vaccine are testing negative, and the kids who havent gotten it are testing positive. Same with their parents who have gotten the vaccine. Testing negative although having kids that are infected.
The vaccine is clearly working and makes you less likely to get very sick. There is no doubt about that.
The North of Norway have started its winter season and as concequence there are more cases.
There will be a new wave this winter, no doubt.
There are a lot of cases at the school near us, and kids who have gotten the vaccine are testing negative, and the kids who havent gotten it are testing positive. Same with their parents who have gotten the vaccine. Testing negative although having kids that are infected.
The vaccine is clearly working and makes you less likely to get very sick. There is no doubt about that.
yeh let’s all just ignore the data. Life is always waaaaaay more fun that way.
Can anyone show any data or research that shows that the vaccine doesn’t work or doesn’t slow down the spread? Probably not.
I’m not taking about some cobbled up numbers but something peer reviewed and published maybe? Cuz like, that’s generally how things work and generally the sort of stuff you can generally trust.
I’m genuinely interested. I don’t want to pump myself full of any medication or vaccine that can be shown to be useless or harmful. So far, I’ve not seen anything concrete to suggest I shouldn’t be vaccinated.
I’m not taking about some cobbled up numbers but something peer reviewed and published maybe? Cuz like, that’s generally how things work and generally the sort of stuff you can generally trust.
I’m genuinely interested. I don’t want to pump myself full of any medication or vaccine that can be shown to be useless or harmful. So far, I’ve not seen anything concrete to suggest I shouldn’t be vaccinated.
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Oh you’ll find if Dantes likes the data or the interpretation of it then it’s “only counting” and “scientific professionals wouldn’t put their reputation and livelihood on the line supporting this if it wasn’t true” and if he doesn’t like it then it’s “you don’t understand how proper research is carried out” or “they’re only saying that for funding dollars”.
There’s a 99.94% chance that he’ll mention “woke” and a slightly less but still significant chance there’ll be a graph of some sort.
It is yes... but I guess that’s always the case and would happen regardless of a pandemic.
I’m not sure all the “changes” that have been “forced” upon us are entirely bad - but everyone’s personal circumstances are different.
I wrote out an example to teach you the difference. It wasn't that complicated. You're just stupid is the problem, and like before cope with it by making a joke.
I have data that shows a clear correlation between the number of pieces you take and the chances of winning at chess. So based on that data, take the opponents peices at every opportunity, because data. How will that work out do you suppose? Not good, you'll end up being utterly clowned. Because you're ignoring the actual thing, which is chess. Likewise you're ignoring the actual thing here, the spread, and then pretending the data is a substitute for understanding how to play and win the spread. That's unlikely to end well when your opponent is nature.
So that’s a no then. No data. No evidence. Glad I got jabbed then.
For clarity’s sake, I’m not belittling your standpoint or saying your argument is pants, just that without data or anything solid to back the idea that the vaccines don’t work, I can’t take that view too seriously. Or I’d have to take every point of view seriously, regardless of how baseless they may be.
Thanks for reply and thoughts.
good luck with this one folks, but I’m dipping out and back to the footy forum.
For clarity’s sake, I’m not belittling your standpoint or saying your argument is pants, just that without data or anything solid to back the idea that the vaccines don’t work, I can’t take that view too seriously. Or I’d have to take every point of view seriously, regardless of how baseless they may be.
Thanks for reply and thoughts.
good luck with this one folks, but I’m dipping out and back to the footy forum.
The data in your study, that is informing you about the spread, compares two sample populations biased as follows. (1) RECENTLY vaccinated people (2) unvaccinated people infected for the FIRST time. You should have realized this and what it means without having to be told. Theyou should quickly realise that those samples are useless for predicting the spread. Then, if you look at OTHER data that shows the vaccine efficacy declining, and natural immunity not declining, it should scream to you that the spread is MORE likely to be worse the more people are vaccinated. That's before you even look at the quality of study and all the flaws you run into in data science.
But this type of thinking is what you never do, then you assume I don't do it because y'all forgot who I am, and then try to use your comical data to debate me. GTFO
But this type of thinking is what you never do, then you assume I don't do it because y'all forgot who I am, and then try to use your comical data to debate me. GTFO
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Nah mate - you’re just not anywhere near as smart as you think you are.
Problem is... you can’t cope with it.
I make jokes because I’m funny (sometimes) and because I don’t take you seriously.
I’m still 50/50 on you not being a real person, with that being a split between an AI bot and Ross’s alt log in.
The one thing that is factual though, is the bit about you not being anywhere near as smart as you “pretend” you are.
Source on the Waterford cases being in the O.O3% of the population that is unvaccinated ?
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/effectiveness-research/protocols.html
With every new study the vaccine effectiveness drops.
again, no data. Which is why I’m sticking to the footy forum
76% of people in Ireland are vaccinated, not sure what the figures are for Waterford.