It really isn't.
Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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It really isn't.
I like the totally polarised views on it all. Like everything since 2016. Even my kids are totally different. Youngest is like fuck it, I take gear every weekend and fuck knows what's in that. I just wanna go to New York so I need the vax. Eldest is like, OMG, you've been brainwashed by the zombie lizards and this is never going to end.
I'm somewhere in the middle. The situation is definitely being manipulated by the powers that be to do more taking back control than anything else ever did, but I also want to go to New York, and there's fuck all I can do about this shit.
The Ozzies are going nuts on it but that's expected.
I'm somewhere in the middle. The situation is definitely being manipulated by the powers that be to do more taking back control than anything else ever did, but I also want to go to New York, and there's fuck all I can do about this shit.
The Ozzies are going nuts on it but that's expected.
No, I'd say it's more wrong than supposing the earth is flat.
This is a good example of it in Ireland, as age cohorts got vaccinated, the case numbers went down. Even though restrictions were relaxed over that time.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_uyaL2WQAEwKGQ?format=jpg&name=large
What do you suppose will happen twelve weeks after the vaccination? If you suppose that infections resume their normal levels, and you suppose as you already did that this gives more opportunity for the virus to mutate, then do you suppose the mutations in a highly vaccinated population will render the vaccine more effective or less effective than in the case of mutations in a less vaccinated population? Or do you suppose the vaccines provide long lasting permanent protection from infection, in defiance of the studies and the real world data?
Mutations will happen more when there are more cases, regardless of if you are vaccinated, immune for previous infection, or unvaccinated. There are more cases when people are unvaccinated, which is shown by the data I just provided. Ireland is a really good example, as it has one of the most vaccinated populations, along with Malta and Portugal.
No vaccine, for any disease, provides unlimited permanent protection, they all require multiple shots and boosters. They are less likely to last longer, once there are mutations.
You're conveniently missing the point. The protection provided by a vaccine is what you have several months after, what is retained in your immune system's memory. That is what protection means, or what it used to mean. This has absolutely nothing to do with the transient elevation of antibodies in your bloodstream shortly after you have received the vaccine. Your approach will see the virus mutate itself at the same rate, but upon a population whose antibodies are based on the vaccine, the very vaccine that is the only thing keeping old people alive. It's a retarded approach. There's no getting away from that.
If there wasn't dozens of vaccines for other diseases, I may bother to look into what you're saying a bit more.
Well the profit can be measured simply, given the ridiculous and huge profits the pharmaceutical companies have made this year alone. Oxford offered to make the vaccine and give out the blueprint for free, until they signed an exclusive deal with the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation that prohibited the sharing of the blueprint later down the line. Then there's the withdrawal of drugs and treatments that have been approved and in production for decades, after they seemingly provide decent protection and treatment against the virus. There's enough dodgy stuff going on. Whether this was the goal at the outset or just the case or psychopaths taking advantage of the situation I don't know.
Uhhh but those other vaccines work, which you also don't understand, because you think all vaccines were made equal? VaccineLivesMatter #VLM. I agree don't bother, you'd be wasting your time.
It might surprise you, but I don't disagree with anything in that video.
Edit: I just hope people don't misinterpret it, but given your post, I'm sure they will.
If you can't see what he's saying is terrifying then I can't help you.
I really want to know what terrify you and why?
A lot of it is in response to the current situation - ie less and less people are following the “rules”, cases are soaring (in Australian terms), states need to open up more and it’s become a mad dash to get vaccinated because of the terrible initial roll out.
If it’s about the protests - I think he’s being very specific to what’s happening currently with the problems being created by specific protesters.
I think Andrews is going to far - but I also know that the medical community is shitting itself and infrastructure is already under pressure to cope - and we’re not even near peak hospital cases yet.
The complete dismissal of the right to protest already draconian laws. The forcing of people to inject themselves with something they might not need or want. Taking away people's right to freely work. The threat of violence, locking out of society, arrests etc.
If these people actually cared for your health and wellbeing, they wouldn't be beating people for protesting in the street. They wouldn't be locking you in your house, unable to see your family and friends. They, and people like them, wouldn't be limiting your time with fresh air, exercise, trying to coerce you into getting injected by giving you free kebabs and donuts. They would do something about the obesity and poverty crises, kids who can't afford school meals, they would be doing something about all the things we consume that cause cancer.
But it's not about any of that. It's about gaining more profit and control. People will be looking at this time decades from now as the start of something disastrous and easily avoidable. But we're just goosestepping towards dystopia.
I’m disappointed I didn’t get a free kebab or donut.
Approaching 80% of people in Victoria in hospital with COVID are unvaccinated - the health infrastructure won’t cope with a massive surge - more people will die - even ones who don’t have COVID because the resources to save they won’t be available.
It’s shit not being able to visit friends and family - but the primary mode of viral transmission is via household gatherings.
The profit and control thing is over-stated - there’s no financial win here for Victoria’s state government - vaccine acquisition isn’t a state responsibility, it’s a Federal one.
I think people should have the right to protest - absolutely - but, really... right now, they’re doing more harm than good.
That's about as naive a post as I've ever seen mate. As if the Govt. Big Chem etc. care about anyone except staying in power and lining pockets. That my friend is human nature. And why this world would be better off without our species.
Eh? I think we're making the same point.
The financial benefits go far beyond pharma profits. They are printing eyewatering amounts of fresh capital, to spend on buying votes and to dish out to their private contractor mates. The government bond interest rate is around 1%. That means every extra $1000 dollars of tax they take from the poor fools who voted for more tax, they can use that tax to service another $100,000 of debt.
Usually the economy will slap you hard for devaluing your currency and getting into more debt. Now they will just use covid as an excuse to control the economy. To turn it off, borrow obscene amounts of capital, use that capital to bum kids on islands, then when they're done, turn the economy back on again, as if nothing happened. It's nothing but a way to deposit more monies than ever before into their accounts, and shutting down your freedom as in your ability to participate in the free market and punish them for making those deposits.
Usually the economy will slap you hard for devaluing your currency and getting into more debt. Now they will just use covid as an excuse to control the economy. To turn it off, borrow obscene amounts of capital, use that capital to bum kids on islands, then when they're done, turn the economy back on again, as if nothing happened. It's nothing but a way to deposit more monies than ever before into their accounts, and shutting down your freedom as in your ability to participate in the free market and punish them for making those deposits.
«It seems to lower».. 89 % less likely isnt seems to lower. It protects you from getting seriously ill or hospitalised. Klopp makes a very good point, but as I figured it would divide the anti and the rest in two.
I think he’s making the point that Govt, etc are never going to focus on things like obesity, cancer research, etc unless it’s something that is likely to get them re-elected.
It won’t, unfortunately.”, but there are degrees as to how much they are driven by pure self interest and profit.
Yeah I was making the point that politicians will never do anything unless it works to their measurable benefit. Pretty much everything on Hal's list isn't. Human nature at base precludes pretty much all altruistic tendencies unless they are in some way beneficial to the self/family.
If only there was some system in which people's self interest were aligned with the population's interest, some sort of economic model were you compete for profits by providing better things for your fellow people. Hmm, search me I for one can't think of such a thing. Anyway, let's pay more tax and give communism a try, hopefully that will help the people this time, as long as we do it differently to all the other times.
Oh you mean a system developed by human beings? OK let me see how that fits with what I posted. err nope.
Yeah, again, I agree... hence why I don't believe their whole "it's for your own good spiel" over this. So they're getting a lot out of this pandemic
Again, I'm not denying that it reduces your chance of seriously getting ill. That's not what I'm taking issue with.
What bothers me is likening unvaccinated people to drunk drivers, the less clean, who should be ostracized from society. They provide no greater threat to the vaccinated than other vaccinated people. It's a very dangerous road to go down. And we already went down it about 80 years ago.
- Milton Friedman (an expert on these things, unless you of course no longer want to follow the science and follow what experts say the moment that doing so hurts your feels)
It'll be different this time, just you wait, you'll see.