No, it isn't.
Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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Yes it is. Being vaccinated doesn't stop you contracting the disease and spreading it to other people. It's even arguable that it has little to no difference in rate of transmission. Look at Israel and Singapore that are enduring very high case rates and hospitalisations (higher than previous peaks) despite very high vaccination rates.
It is. He has confused the vaccine as though it is a jab that will render a drunk person sober, instead of it just being a seatbelt and an airbag. Now, under the false belief he has received the magic sober pill, whilst actually still being drunk, he drives down a road with 50,0000 pedestrians on it, swerving from side to side, merrily telling himself that he is vaccinated from being drunk so it's totally fine.
No, it really isn't. Nobody claims that the vaccine (ditto the law against drink driving) will save every last person who might be affected by the situation it's designed to combat. What's clear is that the odds are in favour of adopting those respective precautions.
The CDC now admit the vaccine does not prevent transmission - so the different treatment meted out to the pure bloods has no basis in science.
He said he got the vaccine to protect others. To stop him spreading it to other people. Just like driving drunk puts other people at danger - so don't do it. However, the vaccine doesn't stop that. People are still in danger of contracting the virus, whether they take the vaccine or not. It doesn't stop the spread, as is clearly evidenced by all the data. It seems to lower the chance of you being seriously affected by the disease, yes, but that's not the point Klopp was making.
Yeah, I said this the other day. She is on camera saying it stops transmissions a few months ago. And you're right... banned off social media for saying exactly what she said there just a short time ago
I like how she says "anymore" like they used to prevent transmission.
Let me guess... the science changed?
Be fair, she said it can't stop transmissions "anymore", which means she was telling the truth two months ago because it could stop transmissions at that time, just not anymore, so the laws of physics fundamentally changed in the interim, and the new physics which govern our universe have conspired to make the vaccine useless, not sure of the details of that, but it means she's still telling the truth now. Nothing but the truth.
Motherfucker. Don't make me have to kill you.
Klopp said he got the vaccine to protect others as well as himself, and didn't differentiate between spreading and hospitalisation.
BTW I've done some (admittedly very quick) research about the figures in Israel and Singapore. What I've looked at puts Israel's rise down to removing mandatory mask-wearing just at the time when the Delta strain was taking hold, and Singapore's down to a ramped-up testing programme.
And how would he be protecting others if he didn't believe that somehow taking the vaccine prevented him spreading it to others?
The mask science is extremely dubious, and again, it's another thing the CDC can't show any consistency towards.
You're probably right about the testing. Mass testing needs to be binned now. But it won't be, because it's an extremely effective tool in pushing the agenda.
This reply isn't aimed at you. You're behond reason or help. It's aimed at anyone else that might be temped to believe your bullshit.
This study shows that vaccination reduces transmission, making it less likely vaccinated people will spread the virus.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1
Being sober doesn't stop you being in a crash, it just makes it much less likely to happen.
So it reduces transmission... until it doesn't. Another lie we were told and doesn't really alter my position.
For a short period of time.
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We used multivariable logistic regression to investigate the impact of index case and contact vaccination on transmission
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That might not mean anything to you, but take it from me, it means you can go ahead and throw their paper in the bin at that point because it's useless.
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Transmission reductions declined over time since second vaccination, for Delta reaching similar levels to unvaccinated individuals by 12 weeks for ChAdOx1 and attenuating substantially for BNT162b2. Protection from vaccination in contacts also declined in the 3 months after second vaccination.
Vaccination reduces transmission of Delta, but by less than the Alpha variant. The impact of vaccination decreased over time. Factors other than PCR-measured viral load are important in vaccine-associated transmission reductions. Booster vaccinations may help control transmission together with preventing infections.
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Let's break this down. When you get jabbed, it's like you being infected, so your body produces antibodies to fight the infection. Whilst you have that shot of antibodies in you, there is little risk of you being infected because any virus that enters your body will be attacked and obliterated. Over time, the antibody count will reduce. Your immune system still has a "memory" of how to make them, ready for next time. In this situation, you can get infected, then your immune system will remember what to do and help fight off the infection. You can still get sick and pass it on during this time if the vaccine didn't train your immune system well enough. So what your study shows is that after three months when the initial high levels of antibodies subsides, you can no longer avoid getting infected and transmitting the virus. So you need a booster, every three months, in defiance of the way vaccines have always been accepted to work. To perpetually keep your body topped up with that initial high level of anti-bodies. This is insanity. The side effects will definitely not be good for your body, even you can guess this from what I'm saying. So you're an idiot if you go along with it, but if you want to follow the science like a "good citizen" then you have a bit of a dilemma don't you.
Look, if people want bi-monthly booster shots, vaccine passports, people being ostracized, demonised, silenced, arrested, discriminated against, if they want a totalitarian, dictatorial state spattered with lockdowns and harsher, stricter measures then sound... that's what we're gonna get.
But I think it's all very unnecessary.
But I think it's all very unnecessary.
I think people just want everyone to listen to the advice of 95% of the experts in this. Of course, you can chose not to listen to it, but you should accept the consequences of that. Just like you would, to use Klopps example, accept the consequences of losing your licence or worse for drink driving.
Yes... but when those experts are big tech, big pharma, incompetent governors, some corrupt scientists... all people throughout history have never shown any concern for your health, rights and safety, in fact, their concern is stripping you of those things... then you have to start to at least be a bit sceptical. When you see who is benefiting, how they keep moving the goalposts, how they keep silencing people who later are proven to be right, do you not get a little bit cynical?
Look at this... this terrified me. And it showed me the disastrous direction we are potentially heading in...
Every legitimate expert is saying the same though. I'm not sure at which point your scepticism starts with this, or if you are just sceptical of all things involving government, independent of it being Covid related?
Do you believe Covid is a thing?
Do you believe theres been millions of global deaths, related to people contracting it?
Do you think it's worth trying to prevent those deaths?
Do you think social distancing works?
Do you believe in vaccines?
Do you believe the Covid vaccine works?
If it's purely just scepticism of bug pharma/government etc. Then no argument or evidence around the effectiveness of vaccines will really change your mind.
I've already outlined my position several times in this thread but you may have missed it.
Covid is real, yes.
I believe many people have died, yes, though I also firmly believe the number has been greatly inflated with the method of calculation.
Yes, of course you have to prevent deaths where you can... though a large proportion of those people would have died anyway, I'd wager. You also have to look at the long term damage we're causing with the measures we're implementing and weigh it up.
Social distancing... probably works a bit, but the psychological, social and emotional impacts far outweigh any effect it's having. Especially on children. Afterall, the vast majority of people who contract the virus are unharmed.
Yes, I believe in vaccines.
Covid vaccine - I believe it reduces the severity of the disease. It doesn't work how we were promised it would.
The whole crisis has been adopted and weaponized by government and big pharma for profit and control. That much is obvious to see. We're never getting out of this. They'll just keep dangling the carrot a little further down the road, while holding the stick over our heads forever.
Right. I find it hard argue against the profiting and control, mainly as it's not something that can really be proved one way or another.
With the effectiveness of the vaccine, there's never been any vaccine that has been 100% effective, we still have cases of measles, even though the majority are vaccinated. And it's always the case of needing boosters, usually there's at 2/3/4 to be effective, and then boosters are every 5/10 years. The problem is if there's a material amount of people not getting vaccinated, it reduces the effectiveness of it, as its transmitted much easier, which leads to more chances of variants happening, some of which will be more dangerous.
So, if you buy all that, and you're one of the people responsible for public health, you'll be doing whatever you can to convince people to be vaccinated. Some will go over the top, like your man in the video(maybe should have talked to his PR advisor before), but I totally get being totally exasperated with people just not listening to the overwhelming medical advice (this is the most tested and analysed vaccine in history).
It's a crappy situation, if not enough get vaccinated, the virus will continue to be transmitted and evolve and kill people. If everyone gets vaccinated, then it's both controlling and there'll be an argument that it wasn't needed as the disease is no longer there.
This is hands down completely and utterly wrong. Whoever told you this or convinced you of this is unfathomably bad at science.