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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

All civil servants? Or certain categories? With Bex position that could mean ours are.

Fuck me, the kids will be GUTTED. I'll be over the fucking moon, however.

All I know at that this time it is the whole of our department. She doesn’t want the boys to go to nursery though. What is the point of us being told to stay away from workplaces and then send them to the Petri dish which is a nursery.
 
Italians kiss each other in the street and share food and hug strangers, all day every day. Germans keep their distance. They piss on each other in dungeons but only once a week and piss is sterile.
Piss isn't sterile. Don't let that put you off your water sports, I'm sure as long as you and your consenting partners are both tested for STIs you'll be fine.

Wash your hands.
 
So, are we all going to end up homeless? What happens when everyone loses their job but the billionaires end up richer and all the houses are empty but we're all on the streets?
 
I wouldn’t trust China’s figures as far as I could throw them

Absolutely, I'm amazed that in the West when figures are mentioned immediately we are told that 'the figures' are at least ten times more, but for some reason China's 'figures' seem to be treated with almost reverence.

Call me a skeptic but 1.6bn bat eating, street spitting, heavy smokers led by a secretive cabal doesn't inspire my confidence in the veracity of their figures. If I was cynical I'd say they might even be tempted to tell you any old bollocks to 'save face'.

Like the Chinese might be better able to suppress an epidemic than Italians.
 
Absolutely, I'm amazed that in the West when figures are mentioned immediately we are told that 'the figures' are at least ten times more, but for some reason China's 'figures' seem to be treated with almost reverence.

Call me a skeptic but 1.6bn bat eating, street spitting, heavy smokers led by a secretive cabal doesn't inspire my confidence in the veracity of their figures. If I was cynical I'd say they might even be tempted to tell you any old bollocks to 'save face'.

Like the Chinese might be better able to suppress an epidemic than Italians.

Hahahahaha! Don't call it a Chinese Virus though. Dat's racissssssss.

Has it hit "India - World Superpower by 2020" yet?

Because when it hits the third world properly it might be quite bad.
 

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I've actually mentioned this a fair bit in this thread - you are clearly not reading my posts 🙂

Around 5m people moved in and out of Wuhan BEFORE the Lockdown but after the virus infections started. And that's only from the airport there were a lot more than that on trains and roads. It wasn't effective containment that somehow prevented an outbreak. That is clear from the figures for Shanghai (330+) and Beijing (450+), those are miniscule figures for cities with 25m and 22m. And yes there was social distancing and a degree of quarantining but nothing like Wuhan. Whilst in Shanghai I could go out (and did) at any time and to anywhere in the city. As did many others.

There are 7,232 active cases remaining, they are all in hospitals and not going to be running around infecting anyone. The clear and obvious threat is from Chinese / Expats returning to China who carry the virus in them. I think in the whole of China yesterday there was like 25 new cases of which 18 were returning Chinese caught at airports.

Are you essentially saying their categorisation of it having a r0 of 2 is inaccurate due to the lack of transmission during the early days in China? I read it quite widely that it was being reported at the beginning at around 2-2.2, but based on what you're saying, it could be more like in the 0.25 region? In the UK they are 'assuming' high numbers (although mild cases) that would tie in to a higher r0, and that's even coming from the CMO and the PM, but, without strong evidence and testing (which they're not doing outside of hospitals now) I presume this could be pie in the sky.
I don't see what the UK or Merkel etc would have to gain from quoting such large numbers and potentially creating panic though?
 
Are you essentially saying their categorisation of it having a r0 of 2 is inaccurate due to the lack of transmission during the early days in China? I read it quite widely that it was being reported at the beginning at around 2-2.2, but based on what you're saying, it could be more like in the 0.25 region? In the UK they are 'assuming' high numbers (although mild cases) that would tie in to a higher r0, and that's even coming from the CMO and the PM, but, without strong evidence and testing (which they're not doing outside of hospitals now) I presume this could be pie in the sky.
I don't see what the UK or Merkel etc would have to gain from quoting such large numbers and potentially creating panic though?
No what I'm saying (and the R value seems to be variable depending on country/environment but largely in the region of R2 - R2.8) is that there are two things that have happened so far that are backed up by the stats.

a) the Wuhan quarantine didn't solve the transmission issue (either domestically or internationally due to the fact it had already been spread far and wide. Today I found substantiation of my theory in Science magazine :

Motivated by the rapid spread of COVID-19 in Mainland China, we use a global metapopulation disease transmission model to project the impact of travel limitations on the national and international spread of the epidemic. The model is calibrated based on internationally reported cases, and shows that at the start of the travel ban from Wuhan on 23 January 2020, most Chinese cities had already received many infected travelers. The travel quarantine of Wuhan delayed the overall epidemic progression by only 3 to 5 days in Mainland China, but has a more marked effect at the international scale, where case importations were reduced by nearly 80% until mid February. Modeling results also indicate that sustained 90% travel restrictions to and from Mainland China only modestly affect the epidemic trajectory unless combined with a 50% or higher reduction of transmission in the community.

b) Something else is causing the dissipation of the disease. The fact that Sars/Mers etc. all dissipated of their own accord too shows that coronavirus transmissions are being impacted by something not yet identified. I think for humans to believe that quarantine and social distancing alone (both of which humans constantly break, whether willingly or otherwise) suffocated the virus is hubris. Especially when the R value is above 1.0.

Merkel (and now Trump saying it will last 18 months - contrary to all evidence) are fucking idiots. Even if true you wouldn't announce it to the world !


Drop here!
 
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Germany continues to show ridiculous stats. 17000 cases, 0.3% deaths. I think we've got to factor in that piss is sterile and water sports may be the best form of combat against this virus.
 
Germany continues to show ridiculous stats. 17000 cases, 0.3% deaths. I think we've got to factor in that piss is sterile and water sports may be the best form of combat against this virus.
Just repeating it doesn't make it a fact.
 
With all this panic going on already, the last thing we need is Athens telling people it's not even safe to pee on each other.

I have to question the agenda here. David Ike would know what's really at play here I'd bet.
 
With all this panic going on already, the last thing we need is Athens telling people it's not even safe to pee on each other.

I have to question the agenda here. David Ike would know what's really at play here I'd bet.
I didn't say it wasn't safe, just that it's not sterile.
 
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