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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

Your father and grandfathers generation had thoughts and prayers and feels too. Their feels were about people having the right to free health care, so they socialised that. Or the right to not get invaded by communists, so they socialised that defence transaction. These are smart choices based upon normal feelings and compassion for others outweighing the need to have a better product. Your feels are totally abnormal. Those things your forefathers socialised for you, are the things you're allowing to be privatised because of apathy or covid science. And the things your forefathers kept private, you're using your woke feels to hand them to the state or to global corporations who peddle the woke narrative. It's quite insane.
 
We've been over this. You get a vote every four or five years. Part of your ignorance is you think that is the vote which counts. It don't. Money is what counts. Socialism is the transactions that involve the state or any entity that is not incentivised to produce better goods and services (e.g. every state contractor, every global corporation that lobbies the state, disney, etc.). All the financial transactions occurring on the planet which includes those as one of the parties = socialism. Every other financial transaction between businesses, their employees, consumers, private contracts = capitalism. One of these is good for the common man. One is not. There is no debate about which is which, if you even attempt to debate, it just means you're a moron who might as well debate flat earth while he's at it.

So your votes are the bits of paper in your wallet. You voted for disney, look what happened to your precious intellectual property when you did that. Because of your ignorance, because of your woke mindset, because of your virtue signals, because of your inability to analyse data properly or think for yourself, that globalist training you're lapping up leads you to vote for socialism, to elect socialist goods and services, and then you will receive socialism.
Once again, you've demonstrated that you have absolutely no idea what socialism is.
 
Once again, you've demonstrated that you have absolutely no idea what socialism is.

Think harder. Or not, just be happy having your non-applicable useless esoteric notion of socialism that you learned in your political science elective and does not nor has ever existed in the actual world.
 
We've been over this. You get a vote every four or five years. Part of your ignorance is you think that is the vote which counts. It don't. Money is what counts. Socialism is the transactions that involve the state or any entity that is not incentivised to produce better goods and services (e.g. every state contractor, every global corporation that lobbies the state, disney, etc.). All the financial transactions occurring on the planet which includes those as one of the parties = socialism. Every other financial transaction between businesses, their employees, consumers, private contracts = capitalism. One of these is good for the common man. One is not. There is no debate about which is which, if you even attempt to debate, it just means you're a moron who might as well debate flat earth while he's at it.

So your votes are the bits of paper in your wallet. You voted for disney, look what happened to your precious intellectual property when you did that. Because of your ignorance, because of your woke mindset, because of your virtue signals, because of your inability to analyse data properly or think for yourself, that globalist training you're lapping up leads you to vote for socialism, to elect socialist goods and services, and then you will receive socialism.

I haven’t “voted” for anyone or anything in 20 years.

The last time I voted - it was for an Independent that drove around Larne in a pink Cadillac wearing shell suits and loved going to all night raves despite being in his 60’s and with a pacemaker fitted.

I work for a big booze retailer in Australia - which couldn’t be more capitalist if it tried - and my job is to merchandise online products to drive sales - which usually means I’m promoting products that I end up buying.

So... as usual - what in fucks name are you actually on about.
 
I haven’t “voted” for anyone or anything in 20 years.

The last time I voted - it was for an Independent that drove around Larne in a pink Cadillac wearing shell suits and loved going to all night raves despite being in his 60’s and with a pacemaker fitted.

I work for a big booze retailer in Australia - which couldn’t be more capitalist if it tried - and my job is to merchandise online products to drive sales - which usually means I’m promoting products that I end up buying.

So... as usual - what in fucks name are you actually on about.

I just explained that your vote with your ballot slip doesn't count. I just explained your other 'vote' by which I mean how you freely choose to earn and/or spend your dollars is what counts. I also explained the difference between socialist and capitalist transactions. Are you now trying to trigger me or something?

Let's say your booze is superior, which I'm sure it is. Unfortunately, I can't buy it because you can't afford to get it through all the EU red tape and regulations and tariffs for a price I'd reasonably be willing to pay. So instead I have to go to a global manufacturer who lobbied the EU to introduce all that red tape in the first place to protect me, a corporation which probably has uyghur slaves picking the grapes, well I have to drink their shit booze instead. Concurrently, to make the people feel good about drinking the shit, they promote their booze using woke adverts about race or climate change, so people feel the good fweels and drink up the shite pish with smiles on their faces. That is the joys of socialism.
 
I just explained that your vote with your ballot slip doesn't count. I just explained your other 'vote' by which I mean how you freely choose to earn and/or spend your dollars is what counts. I also explained the difference between socialist and capitalist transactions. Are you now trying to trigger me or something?

Let's say your booze is superior, which I'm sure it is. Unfortunately, I can't buy it because you can't afford to get it through all the EU red tape and regulations and tariffs for a price I'd reasonably be willing to pay. So instead I have to go to a global manufacturer who lobbied the EU to introduce all that red tape in the first place to protect me, a corporation which probably has uyghur slaves picking the grapes, well I have to drink their shit booze instead. Concurrently, to make the people feel good about drinking the shit, they promote their booze using woke adverts about race or climate change, so people feel the good fweels and drink up the shite pish with smiles on their faces. That is the joys of socialism.

Ok... so something unrealistic that you made up in your head that makes sense to no one other than you.

Got it.

Thanks.
 
Skipped this thread for a while and it is still Dantes writing paragraph after paragraph about virtue signalling, snowflakes etc. Why is he part of a Liverpool forum? This is the last place a right wing Trumpite should feel welcome. Trot on Dantes, son.
 
Funny, it wasn't a problem when you were critical of Trump. Now that you look like clowns for not being able to predict that Biden would make a shitshow out of covid, the middle east, afghanistan, inflation, energy, the border, and so forth, it's not so funny now it's your turn to take a bit of criticism for your stupidity. I get it.
 
Skipped this thread for a while and it is still Dantes writing paragraph after paragraph about virtue signalling, snowflakes etc. Why is he part of a Liverpool forum? This is the last place a right wing Trumpite should feel welcome. Trot on Dantes, son.

Freedom of speech, I guess.

Besides, I really like him!
 
I scan through this thread every now and then, and I do find myself agreeing with Dantes most the time. Call me what you like.

I'd never go through the futility of trying to argue or reason though. In my experience, debating politics online is about as useful or worthwhile as a condom machine in the vatican. I've yet to see someone change political opinions of others by arguing with them online. If anything it makes them hold their views more steadfastly. Yet every day I seem to see it. Strange world.

Was it Pascal who said people need to come to realisations themselves, or at least feel like they've arrived at their views themself.
 
In time people are going to realise that the pandemic was massively overstated - the case numbers and deaths were inflated to create the need for big pharma to introduce a shit vaccine that does more harm than good.

It'll take another 18 months for the sheep to catch up and they'll believe it was just an honest mistake made by otherwise well intentioned billionaires (who diddle kids)
 

No, I don't think he is. It's a case of (a) when real science disagrees with your intuition, you're wrong and (b) when data science disagrees with your intuition, data science is wrong. You are unable to tell the difference, so you're perpetually confused in your beliefs and open to exploitation and/or intellectual rape by the fake news and fake scientists. People like rosco probably mistrust all science, so they're right by default in the 90% of research that relies on data science nowadays. I'd guess johhny rockets is someone who trusts his intuition, and is right to do so and ends up with the correct conclusions. As for me, my exceptional grasp of science and unrivalled intuition about how nature works is a hard combination to fool. So that's that.
 
In time people are going to realise that the pandemic was massively overstated - the case numbers and deaths were inflated to create the need for big pharma to introduce a shit vaccine that does more harm than good.

It'll take another 18 months for the sheep to catch up and they'll believe it was just an honest mistake made by otherwise well intentioned billionaires (who diddle kids)

No, I don't think he is. It's a case of (a) when real science disagrees with your intuition, you're wrong and (b) when data science disagrees with your intuition, data science is wrong. You are unable to tell the difference, so you're perpetually confused in your beliefs and open to exploitation and/or intellectual rape by the fake news and fake scientists. People like rosco probably mistrust all science, so they're right by default in the 90% of research that relies on data science nowadays. I'd guess johhny rockets is someone who trusts his intuition, and is right to do so and ends up with the correct conclusions. As for me, my exceptional grasp of science and unrivalled intuition about how nature works is a hard combination to fool. So that's that.

There’s 2 posts to print out and stick to your wall.
 
The problem with a effective solution, is that if it works, people will claim it wasn't needed in the first place.

The Millennium Bug, if people remember that, was similar. It didn't have an impact, because people put shit tonnes of work into making sure it wouldn't. If they didn't, it would have. But can we really know for sure?

With this pandemic, you only get to play the game once, and if you mess it up, a lot of people die. I would definitely imagine there was over caution until they found out more about it, and probably even after that too. Sounds like a caution worth taking to me.
 
Think harder. Or not, just be happy having your non-applicable useless esoteric notion of socialism that you learned in your political science elective and does not nor has ever existed in the actual world.
You're changing the meaning of something to suit your agenda. What you're describing are tenets of a social democracy. The reason you use the word 'socialism' is because it's been coined by the US and other rampant capitalist nations as a blanket term to smear foreign governments that dare to do things differently. Everyone should be fearful of socialism because of the Soviets, or Venezuela, or whatever anomalous foreign government the US has most recently tried its damnedest to destroy.

Afghanistan is a case in point. Prior to US intervention it was a functioning, liberal democracy with free medical care and equal rights for women and minorities. In the late 1980s, women made up half its university students, 40 percent of its doctors, 70 percent of its teachers and 30 percent of its civil servants. Meanwhile, the US was secretly spending $500 million on spreading Islamic fundamentalism in Central Asia in an effort to overthrow the Afghan government, including recruiting, training and arming the mujahedin (from which the Taliban would be born), all because the Afghan government was supported by the Soviet Union. And thanks to US efforts, the mujahedin successfully overthrew the Afghan government and fought off the Soviets, securing Afghanistan's doom. And there we have it: another 'failed' socialist state. Of course, this is by no means unprecedented. The US has sought to overthrow (either overtly or covertly) countless 'socialist' foreign governments over the years.

You're basically peddling a narrative that the US has spent many years and many billions of dollars cultivating, because they're terrified that people might realise that something better exists and want to do something about it. The funny thing is, if the narrative was actually true then they wouldn't have needed to spend a cent.
 
Just keeping you on your toes.

But the point is each new study reveals the vaccine is worse than previously thought.

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Why is Gerry being kept on his toes? Surely 48 deaths on the unvaccinated is worse than the 13 deaths from this double vaccinated?
 
80% of people are double vaxxed, and there are six times more cases with those unvaxxed... Quick in my head calc says that you're thirty times more likely to get it unvaxxed than vaxxed from that calc. What's the issue?
 
I think he's pointing out the death rate being higher in the vaccinated than non-vaccinated?

Israel with the highest cases per capita, more cases than ever before, while also having one of the highest vaccination rates in the world. So why are we pushing vaccine passports?
 
The vaccinated are on average much older than the unvaxxinated so of course they're more likely to die if they unfortunately are the one in thirty that still gets it. Still less likely to die now than before they were vaxxed, by double figures.

As for Israel. It seems Pfizer ain't that great. AZ doing a lot better.
 
You're changing the meaning of something to suit your agenda. What you're describing are tenets of a social democracy. The reason you use the word 'socialism' is because it's been coined by the US and other rampant capitalist nations as a blanket term to smear foreign governments that dare to do things differently. Everyone should be fearful of socialism because of the Soviets, or Venezuela, or whatever anomalous foreign government the US has most recently tried its damnedest to destroy.

Afghanistan is a case in point. Prior to US intervention it was a functioning, liberal democracy with free medical care and equal rights for women and minorities. In the late 1980s, women made up half its university students, 40 percent of its doctors, 70 percent of its teachers and 30 percent of its civil servants. Meanwhile, the US was secretly spending $500 million on spreading Islamic fundamentalism in Central Asia in an effort to overthrow the Afghan government, including recruiting, training and arming the mujahedin (from which the Taliban would be born), all because the Afghan government was supported by the Soviet Union. And thanks to US efforts, the mujahedin successfully overthrew the Afghan government and fought off the Soviets, securing Afghanistan's doom. And there we have it: another 'failed' socialist state. Of course, this is by no means unprecedented. The US has sought to overthrow (either overtly or covertly) countless 'socialist' foreign governments over the years.

You're basically peddling a narrative that the US has spent many years and many billions of dollars cultivating, because they're terrified that people might realise that something better exists and want to do something about it. The funny thing is, if the narrative was actually true then they wouldn't have needed to spend a cent.

No not at all, socialism and capitalism have no applicable meanings in real world, none. They're just words about as useful as thoughts and prayers, and which belong in religious texts. What matters are the living standards of human beings. What drives those living standards are the nature of the financial transactions that occur. I care about those things, and I defined socialist and capitalist transactions for that purpose, using words you can relate to (not to peddle the nonsense above). The US expenditure on war is by definition socialist. You're defining it as capitalist because of the ideological angle, and my point is your definition is arbitrary and vague and entirely useless. So I will not change what word I use for my actual definition that works, just so you can use your useless definitions (to peddle the nonsense above).

Take Singapore, the most capitalist country on the planet, by definition, I love the way they operate. They're also a dictatorship that holds elections when they feel like it to transfer power from father to son. The complete opposite of the American democracy bullshit ideology you think it's about. It's not about that. It's about how money is transacted. When it's transacted between private entities incentivised by providing better products, people's lives improve. This is a fact laid out be several millennia of human history.
 
The vaccinated are on average much older than the unvaxxinated so of course they're more likely to die if they unfortunately are the one in thirty that still gets it. Still less likely to die now than before they were vaxxed, by double figures.

As for Israel. It seems Pfizer ain't that great. AZ doing a lot better.

Yeah, I agree with that. I was just pointing out what I think Ross was alluding to.

My issue is just the pushing of vaccine passports in the face of logic to the contrary. But of course, the vaccine passports aren't about controlling and monitoring the spread. It's about consolidating yet more power and surveillance.

There was a great bit of doublespeak from Sturgeon the other day about the need for the passports. I'm slightly paraphrasing, but it was along the lines of, "we need to bring in passport restrictions so we don't have to bring in further restrictions."
 
Lol. I know. There's so much to unpack in all this, I'm not saying I'm right I'm just saying how I see it. I don't think anyone has the whole picture, but that quote about power corrupting and absolute power corrupts absolutely, look no further than Sturgeon. She's loving this.

The good news is the kids aren't having it. My lads, all their mates, fuck your vaccine passports. I thought it was all rhetoric until we got invited to New York for Christmas yesterday and my eldest immediately said if it involves a vaccine passport, fuck that.
 
Lol. I know. There's so much to unpack in all this, I'm not saying I'm right I'm just saying how I see it. I don't think anyone has the whole picture, but that quote about power corrupting and absolute power corrupts absolutely, look no further than Sturgeon. She's loving this.

The good news is the kids aren't having it. My lads, all their mates, fuck your vaccine passports. I thought it was all rhetoric until we got invited to New York for Christmas yesterday and my eldest immediately said if it involves a vaccine passport, fuck that.

Yeah, you can see it with the Aussie and New Zealand officials. They're like bitter, nerdy teachers telling off unruly schoolkids. I'm just worried it's too far down the line and they'll come in regardless. Plus, the science will keep changing to suit the next agenda they want to push ad infinitum.
 
Yeah, the world is reflecting social media, where all the little bitter twats set the agenda for everyone else. There's got to be some sort of reversal soon.
 
No not at all, socialism and capitalism have no applicable meanings in real world, none. They're just words about as useful as thoughts and prayers, and which belong in religious texts. What matters are the living standards of human beings. What drives those living standards are the nature of the financial transactions that occur. I care about those things, and I defined socialist and capitalist transactions for that purpose, using words you can relate to (not to peddle the nonsense above). The US expenditure on war is by definition socialist. You're defining it as capitalist because of the ideological angle, and my point is your definition is arbitrary and vague and entirely useless. So I will not change what word I use for my actual definition that works, just so you can use your useless definitions (to peddle the nonsense above).
Words have meanings. You can't use inappropriate words and then expect everyone to assume the meaning you've ascribed to them. If you want to be coherent and understandable, choose appropriate words. And if you don't, maybe you should stop wasting your time typing all these words?
 
Looks like Australia has decided to let it rip and hope we can get enough people vaccinated quickly enough to get through it.

We’ll find out.

I got pinged today for being at an exposure site - waiting on test results.

The one fucking time I left the house to buy food!!!
 
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