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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

That's saying vaccines stop the virus being as serious, and make it less likely to catch it in the first place. But in the unlikely case that you do catch it, you're as likely to spread it as if you are unvaccinated.

Sounds like vaccines are working? What am I missing?

The definition of a vaccine.
 
Thats really interesting, but can to an extent easily be misconstrued re viral load average.being slightly higher for the vaccinated.

Maybe you can accomodate more virus without feeling sick so to speak with a vaccine? As for the percentages, it seems statistically interesting re the gender of the infected etc...

And taken from large group gatherings??

I need a bit more explanation there..

I doubt the vaccine makes it more likely you will catch it but less damaging if you do... thats sounds truly odd...

Bostonians went out and partied for independence day, with the blessing of Biden who had proudly declared and taken full credit for winning the war on covid. So the data is collected from whatever town there presumably agreed to be part of a government study. Anyway, let us pray the gender difference is not statistically significant.
 
The definition of a vaccine.

Ok? From dictionary.com:
any preparation used as a preventive inoculation to confer immunity against a specific disease, usually employing an innocuous form of the disease agent, as killed or weakened bacteria or viruses, to stimulate antibody production.
 
Bostonians went out and partied for independence day, with the blessing of Biden who had proudly declared and taken full credit for winning the war on covid. So the data is collected from whatever town there presumably agreed to be part of a government study. Anyway, let us pray the gender difference is not statistically significant.

Errm... at least they had vaccines and didnt die!

What bout all the Trump fans in the run up to the election?

Sure...
 
This is like what I was saying the other day with contradictory information. The director of the CDC was on the telly the other day saying that vaccinated people are just as likely to transmit disease as unvaccinated. So which is it?
It seems we have discovered that although evidence shows it stops u from dying it does not totally prevent infection.

Learning every day...

And yes some of the info from the CDC can be contradictory but ALL data so far shows that chances of death from it are massively reduced so... no great confusion really.
 
It seems we have discovered that although evidence shows it stops u from dying it does not totally prevent infection.

Learning every day...

And yes some of the info from the CDC can be contradictory but ALL data so far shows that chances of death from it are massively reduced so... no great confusion really.

It's more a treatment than a vaccine. People have been saying this for ages. But they make out like the science has changed, not that they actually got it wrong to begin with.

The best course of action is to ensure people are healthy, eat well, exercise. But there's no prominent people spreading that message.
 
This is like what I was saying the other day with contradictory information. The director of the CDC was on the telly the other day saying that vaccinated people are just as likely to transmit disease as unvaccinated. So which is it?

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A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study published in late July pointed to similar viral counts among vaccinated and unvaccinated people. In that study, however, the researchers did not conduct tests to confirm true viral loads or report data on transmission from vaccinated people, and the "unvaccinated" group included people who were partially vaccinated.
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My take is that the vaccine does reduce transmission rates over no vaccine. This appears to be true. It doesn't prevent altogether but it shades the percentages favorably.
 
It's more a treatment than a vaccine. People have been saying this for ages. But they make out like the science has changed, not that they actually got it wrong to begin with.

The best course of action is to ensure people are healthy, eat well, exercise. But there's no prominent people spreading that message.

None of this post is true, I'm afraid.

They are vaccines. They work by stimulating your innate immune defenses. It's not 100%. No vaccines are. They are very effective in comparison to many less controversial or thought-about vaccines.

Being healthy reduces your risks of complications related to COVID but nowhere near as effectively as the vaccines do. To suggest otherwise is wrong. Doesn't mean you shouldn't adopt healthy behaviors (you should) - but vaccination is the number one weapon we have against this virus and the best chance we have to reduce long term social impacts, regardless of whether we end up "living with" COVID over the long term.

And everyone is saying be healthy. This is literally the crux of public health, even outside the pandemic. The problem is that few listen or take action (or are impacted by systemic factors).
 
Some wool who was fit as a fiddle, loved rock climbing and shit died from it. So the best protection is to stay away from other humans where possible. I’m entirely comfortable with that.

Vaccination or isolation.
The two best choices.

Like trying to prevent a pregnancy.
Use contraception or abstinence.
 
What is your take on what's happening there?

This excerpt from a newsletter about sums up my thoughts on Alberta.

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On August 16, Alberta will essentially drop its COVID-19 protocols entirely. Mask mandates are long gone, but so too will be widespread testing for the virus. If you’re going into the hospital with a respiratory illness, you’ll get a test, but otherwise don’t bother. Contact tracing will cease to exist.


If that wasn’t enough, perhaps the biggest relaxation of the rules has to do with isolation. It will no longer be mandatory for anyone who tests positive to isolate or even wear a mask.


As one health professor put it: “We have presently the stupidest public health response to the pandemic in the G7.”


Health Minister Tyler Shandro is happy to defend the measures by saying that they were not only approved, but actually generated by the province’s Chief Medical Officer, Deena Hinshaw.


Doctors are sounding enough alarms to start a duck-and-cover nuclear drill, telling PressProgress they find it “confusing,” “highly concerning” and “completely inexcusable.” A third doctor said, “COVID is going to run rampant.”


Things are so bad that federal Health Minister Patty Hajdu sent a letter to Shandro asking what the hell they’re thinking.


“Although this decision falls squarely within your jurisdiction, experts from Alberta and around the country are voicing their significant concerns,” Hajdu wrote. “I echo the Canadian Paediatric Society, who has called on you to recognize that this ‘unnecessary and risky gamble’ could worsen the spread of the virus and put children at risk.”


Hinshaw has explained that the decision to stop prioritizing COVID-19 health measures was made in order to give the health system the ability to deal with the coming flu season, the opioid crisis — in a province that is doing its best to shut down any and all harm reduction sites — and syphilis. No, really, syphilis.


Alberta is leaning hard on vaccines to get them through a Delta wave of the pandemic. The trouble is there are more than 1.5 million Albertans who haven’t been vaccinated, including every child under the age of 12, for whom vaccines have not yet been approved.


Even Saskatchewan, which lifted all its restrictions in July, still has testing. But there too, the government is relying on vaccines to see out the pandemic, with Premier Scott Moe saying they don’t want to use government intervention any longer to keep the virus under control.


Both provinces are gambling with the lives of their residents. Only about 64 per cent of all Albertans have received one dose of the vaccine, with about 56 per cent with two doses. Saskatchewan reports almost identical ratios.


I don’t really know how to close this out on a hopeful note. The people of the prairies don’t deserve to be left to the wolves like this. Particularly in Alberta, the public is being abandoned by its government and health leadership.

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I’m working on the basis that being vaccinated, filling my body regularly with anti-oxidants from wine and avoiding people because they’re mostly cunts... will see me through this apocalypse.
 
I’m working on the basis that being vaccinated, filling my body regularly with anti-oxidants from wine and avoiding people because they’re mostly cunts... will see me through this apocalypse.

Two out of three will be helpful and that's not a bad ratio.
 
I’m working on the basis that being vaccinated, filling my body regularly with anti-oxidants from wine and avoiding people because they’re mostly cunts... will see me through this apocalypse.

The problem with that is your body's immune system will take it's foot off the gas, and let the wine do the work that it should be doing. Get lazy, complacent, build up a reliance on the performance enhancing drug. Then one day, the wine will run out, make no mistake it will be gone. Then you will have to deal with a body that sends you thoughts and prayers instead of antibodies.
 
Sorry. I forgot to include graphs.

No they didn't forget. The problem is they can use words to lie and exaggerate and portray confidence in their theories. The graphs don't lie (well, not unless you're an economist who is well versed in how to misrepresent data), so the graphs aren't there because they will convey the truth that "we haven't solved this problem yet, have no idea what to do, or what we're doing, and our models are all laughably wrong, but pay us anyway, please, we like the monies, our precious".
 
The problem with that is your body's immune system will take it's foot off the gas, and let the wine do the work that it should be doing. Get lazy, complacent, build up a reliance on the performance enhancing drug. Then one day, the wine will run out, make no mistake it will be gone. Then you will have to deal with a body that sends you thoughts and prayers instead of antibodies.
I don’t think @StevieM will want to stick around if the wine runs out so it could be for the best.
 
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