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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

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Frogfish said:
Even on the BBC's charts you have 10 countries that don't have any national lockdown whatsoever ! And another 7-8 that were either later than the UK or at the same time (inc. NL and Germany) - are you sure you are not looking at it upside down ? Anything before a total lockdown was a waste of time because no-one took any notice, anywhere.
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Germany had national recommendations three or four days before, and localised lockdown the day before.

Netherlands had local recommendations about two weeks before and national recommendations about four days before. The UKs biggest problem has been unclear, inconsistent and late messaging, which is still continuing.

And people did take notice before total lockdowns, if the message was clear. In Ireland, most companies shut down a week before the lockdown for example.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
Germany had national recommendations three or four days before, and localised lockdown the day before.

Netherlands had local recommendations about two weeks before and national recommendations about four days before. The UKs biggest problem has been unclear, inconsistent and late messaging, which is still continuing.

And people did take notice before total lockdowns, if the message was clear. In Ireland, most companies shut down a week before the lockdown for example.
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Well the figures from the BBC's graphics alone show that the UK was far from the last as constantly claimed on 6CM (especially since 10 countries in Europe alone haven't had any lockdowns at all) so I'm not sure a few days here or there, with regard to the larger picture, made much difference, we're not talking weeks. The virus was already established through international travel and, as the largest centre of European air travel, London was obviously way beyond prevention well before any lockdown.

As for people taking notice of lockdowns (where the message was clear by that time), I've quoted before the 660 large parties that the police closed down in Manchester on one weekend in April, and that just those they had the staffing to shut down, it was likely well over a 1,000 before we even talk about smaller gatherings. Extrapolate that for the whole country, and then for every weekend, and it's clear that the UK's biggest issue wasn't the timing of the lockdown but civil disobedience.
 
I suppose I'm more basing it on clarity of actions, there was a big U-turn from the herd immunity strategy, with messaging around people not being able to be locked up for two long, which very quickly got turned into, what's now a two month lockdown. That U-turn happened after most countries had been reasonably clear and upfront on their tactics.

For me, there's a number of ways this could be combatted, but the way not to do it, is to be unclear and inconsistent. Governments that have done that, tend to be in the countries worst affected.
 
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Frogfish said:
Well the figures from the BBC's graphics alone show that the UK was far from the last as constantly claimed on 6CM (especially since 10 countries in Europe alone haven't had any lockdowns at all) so I'm not sure a few days here or there, with regard to the larger picture, made much difference, we're not talking weeks. The virus was already established through international travel and, as the largest centre of European air travel, London was obviously way beyond prevention well before any lockdown.

As for people taking notice of lockdowns (where the message was clear by that time), I've quoted before the 660 large parties that the police closed down in Manchester on one weekend in April, and that just those they had the staffing to shut down, it was likely well over a 1,000 before we even talk about smaller gatherings. Extrapolate that for the whole country, and then for every weekend, and it's clear that the UK's biggest issue wasn't the timing of the lockdown but civil disobedience.
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I think the gatherings upon the other five days of the week of thousands of kids and teachers across thirty thousand schools might have been a slightly more significant issue.

But I'm probably wrong. Because Professor lock down ran his models, which showed that keeping schools open during the lock down would not affect the R number, you know, because maths, so the government had to choose between a lock down of members of the public or of schools, there was no mathematical reason to do both. That advice might have been fucking thick in hindsight. Perhaps. Who are we to say?
 
It's beginning to look like the Government have made a huge misstep over their defence of Cummings.

For once the public outrage is culpable. Even the Daily Heil is attacking them over this FFS.

Meanwhile, his neighbours are shouting their complaints at him as he goes home...

 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
I suppose I'm more basing it on clarity of actions, there was a big U-turn from the herd immunity strategy, with messaging around people not being able to be locked up for two long, which very quickly got turned into, what's now a two month lockdown. That U-turn happened after most countries had been reasonably clear and upfront on their tactics.

For me, there's a number of ways this could be combatted, but the way not to do it, is to be unclear and inconsistent. Governments that have done that, tend to be in the countries worst affected.
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That may be true, and I may be more forgiving than most as I believe that, for the most part, this whole episode (and I'm talking globally not just the UK) is a case of the blind leading the blind, and as new developments, information, statistics and scientific discoveries take place everyone is changing tack to adapt to them.
 
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You can tell Boris has a problem and Cummings is in trouble - Laura Kuenssberg hasn’t been tweeting that the people who saw Cummings were all Labour activists.... yet.
 
I've frequently mentioned in debate the (seemingly - I could have been way off base) connection between the relative slow spread of CV-19 in warmer countries (or those in their Summer) and faster spread in those in the throes of their Winter. Researchers in China have now published research information that seems to confirm that most countries can expect to see a decline in the virus transmissions over the Summer (though places like Singapore show if can still spread - one suspects the huge number of malls & offices that have freezing cold AC turned up high).

The Chengdu researchers said the applications of the findings they came away with are incomplete, but the results suggest that numerous suitable weather factors may have laid an ideal foundation for the virus to take root and eventually spread throughout the world.
Using data from the European Center for Long-Term Weather Forecast (ECMWF), they compared the weather conditions with the number of confirmed cases from each province in China in January and February. According to the findings, there are three critical meteorological conditions in which SARS-CoV-2 can most effectively spread.

The first is temperature. The researchers said the analysis "showed that COVID-19 cases were concentrated in the provinces with temperatures in [the] range of 0–10 degrees Celsius," or 32 to 50 degrees Fahrenheit.

Increased humidity and UV light from The Lying Rag are the other two critical factors the researchers cited.

The researchers reported that the strength of solar radiation also may have an effect on how the virus spreads. Places where solar radiation remained below a certain level saw more effective spread, according to their findings. Meanwhile, higher-elevation locations, which see stronger amounts of UV rays due to their altitude, along with places that have drier climates, and therefore fewer clouds in the sky to diminish solar radiation, saw less transmission.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/heal...avirus-thrive-initially-study-suggests/740533
 
All we have to do in Australia is keep the Americans & Brits out.

I’d better take that citizenship out before they fuck me off back to a Covid hotspot or something.
 
120k dead due to austerity = not arsed
60k dead due to herd immunity bullshit = not arsed
Man drives to see parents when I'm told not to = meltdown, these people are evil.

Love seeing the tory mindset in full flow
 
I'm a bit bored of the Cummings story arc now. What's the next exciting development going to be? That's what I'm looking forward to hearing about.
 
Athens said:
I'm a bit bored of the Cummings story arc now. What's the next exciting development going to be? That's what I'm looking forward to hearing about.
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Their American pal blows us all up and apes take control.
 
StevieM said:
Their American pal blows us all up and apes take control.
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Good luck to them. Can't do any worse than these cunts we've got in charge letting the virus spread & kill again to their eugenics & economic driven herd immunity policy.

This is Bournemouth beach today.
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The bars and restaurants are back open here. I was looking forward to a few beers out somewhere but I'll probably be working at the weekend.
 
FoxForceFive said:
Good luck to them. Can't do any worse than these cunts we've got in charge letting the virus spread & kill again to their eugenics & economic driven herd immunity policy.

This is Bournemouth beach today.
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Fuck off. They just drove to the beach to check their eyesight was working and that it was safe for them to drive. Perfectly reasonable in the complex circumstances they all find themselves in.
 
Richey said:
All the horrible things that Cummings has done? What are they then? What horrible things that you are aware of that Dominic Cummings has personally done?
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All I know is that
  1. He looks like a gobshite
  2. He was one of the chief architects of your government's ill-conceived and downright murderous "herd immunity" strategy, which has resulted in the highest death toll in Europe.
I'm sure many of our friends here (@Woland?) will be able to add to his list of transgressions.
 
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Woland said:
120k dead due to austerity = not arsed
60k dead due to herd immunity bullshit = not arsed
Man drives to see parents when I'm told not to = meltdown, these people are evil.

Love seeing the tory mindset in full flow
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That's what I can't understand. Humans are weird.
 
So he said he hadn't been tested. He thought he may be infected and so he sought "professional medical advice". In that position, would you expect the advice to be A. Go get tested immediately, or B. Yeah, drive 260 miles with your family in the car it will be fine.
 
rurikbird said:
All I know is that
  1. He looks like a gobshite
  2. He was one of the chief architects of your government's ill-conceived and downright murderous "herd immunity" strategy, which has resulted in the highest death toll in Europe.
I'm sure many of our friends here (@Woland?) will be able to add to his list of transgressions.
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yes, I am sure Woland could! And I often agree with Woland, so may well do on this too. I have already said I think that I am not really a big fan of Cummings.

I was simply asking for some examples of all the horrible things that he has personally done are, as you suggested that they were numerous? I was curious, that’s all. Now you’ve clarified that they amount to him looking like a gobshite and that he was behind a herd immunity strategy (which according to those in SAGE, he was not, he pushed for a tougher and earlier lockdown).

I’ll probably stick to my view that he is a weird oddball rather than an evil tyrant for now.
 
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