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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

Echo reporting 40% of Liverpool care homes currently have covid outbreaks.

Just a guess but I think most of the cases in the UK now are probably being acquired in hospitals and care homes.

This is the case everywhere, esp if there was no super spreader event, like the marches in Spain. 75 percent of my states deaths are in care homes.
 
Interesting report from Sweden, where they basically haven't bothered to lock down. Until now it's been said that they've been doing at least as well as we have in limiting the spread of the virus. Maybe there's more to it than that after all.

Sweden has barely done any testing - 17.58 per 1,000 people. That's half of Norway's and almost 12% of Iceland.

Sweden has reported 364.28 deaths per million people, compared with 94.4 for Denmark, 53.7 for Finland and 42.8 for Norway.

That and the fact that Sweden is not a country with densely populated cities, suggests you cannot really use them as a model
 
Why if someone is talking nonsense should they be shut down, isn't this the concept of free speech?
Also raises the argument that who is the judge and jury of if they're talking nonsense? I'm sure back in the day many hundreds of years ago, they thought there were gods and the earth was flat. Should we still be silencing these people and not even entertain looking into their crazy crazy theories because they don't fit the current line of thinking.

Whether they are right or wrong I don't feel is the issue here, I feel they should be able to share their own opinion.

Of course you do
 
If you mean the US, that's debatable. You will note that their leader ignored the scientific advice, popped some pills and is as healthy as ever. Our leader followed scientific advice, and came within one nurse growing a fucking set of being dead.

"Our leader followed scientific advice" by shaking hands with everyone in a hospital full of Covid patients on the same day his scientific advisors said stop shaking hands. Righto.
 
"Our leader followed scientific advice" by shaking hands with everyone in a hospital full of Covid patients on the same day his scientific advisors said stop shaking hands. Righto.
Damn Covid patients - they wasted an opportunity right there.
 
Cambridge are going fully online only for lectures till 2021 so guess that means some of the rest will follow.
 
Sweden has barely done any testing - 17.58 per 1,000 people. That's half of Norway's and almost 12% of Iceland.

Sweden has reported 364.28 deaths per million people, compared with 94.4 for Denmark, 53.7 for Finland and 42.8 for Norway.

That and the fact that Sweden is not a country with densely populated cities, suggests you cannot really use them as a model

Do you have a link to the data please?
 
Cambridge are going fully online only for lectures till 2021 so guess that means some of the rest will follow.
Yeah, I think most Unis are planning for 'blended learning', which means that even if in the best scenario where we have students on campus we'll only have the smaller group seminar teaching, and in bigger rooms than necessary, to allow for social distancing, rather then have big lectures with potentially hundreds of students in a room.
 
Yeah, I think most Unis are planning for 'blended learning', which means that even if in the best scenario where we have students on campus we'll only have the smaller group seminar teaching, and in bigger rooms than necessary, to allow for social distancing, rather then have big lectures with potentially hundreds of students in a room.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/may/20/uk-universities-facing-760m-hit-one-in-five-students-plan-defer

This is gonna hurt a lot of universities hard, add to that the reduced numbers of EU and other international students and we may well see some Unis bankrupt.
The problem also with the 20% of students deferring is what will they do for a year?
The traditional jobs within retail will be reduced, gap year travel wont be there.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/may/20/uk-universities-facing-760m-hit-one-in-five-students-plan-defer

This is gonna hurt a lot of universities hard, add to that the reduced numbers of EU and other international students and we may well see some Unis bankrupt.
The problem also with the 20% of students deferring is what will they do for a year?
The traditional jobs within retail will be reduced, gap year travel wont be there.

Yep that’s right, however the fee I believe is still the same so no discounts yet despite fact you will be missing half the experience. I know Cambridge is a bit different to Open university syllabus and accreditation but still I would have expected something for the first year at least.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/may/20/uk-universities-facing-760m-hit-one-in-five-students-plan-defer

This is gonna hurt a lot of universities hard, add to that the reduced numbers of EU and other international students and we may well see some Unis bankrupt.
The problem also with the 20% of students deferring is what will they do for a year?
The traditional jobs within retail will be reduced, gap year travel wont be there.

I run a centre for postgrads and actually, I think we'll tread water, or a bit better than that, even if we don't get the North American students we had recruited for the coming year. There are quite a few people who are realising the job market is gonna be shit, they're not going to be able to travel and do something interesting, so they're thinking why not get a Masters degree? We've had a surge in applications in the last few weeks.
 
Some random person enjoying their pangolin soup inadvertently achieved something that the greatest mind in the universe couldn't accomplish after years of trying.

Poor the dantes

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Interesting report from Sweden, where they basically haven't bothered to lock down. Until now it's been said that they've been doing at least as well as we have in limiting the spread of the virus. Maybe there's more to it than that after all.

You're having a laugh here Judge? "At least as well we have"?
 
[article]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52749801

The US Senate has passed a bill that could block some Chinese companies from selling shares on American stock exchanges. It would require overseas firms to follow US standards for audits and other financial regulations. The measure now has to be passed by the House of Representatives before being signed into law by President Trump. It comes as US-China tensions increase over the virus pandemic and after the Luckin Coffee accounting scandal. The planned legislation would also require publicly traded companies to reveal whether they are owned or controlled by a foreign government.
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So it begins. This is what a real leader like Big D does. Meanwhile in the UK.



Rather than bring real jobs back from China, that would require balls, wait that's sexist, it would also be racist, orange man bad, no can't be doing that, bad racism, so we'll create jobs by using negative interest rates to punish investors and force them lend out their cash. Lend it to any old business, not ones that produce superior goods and services, but any old shit just to avoid being charged for the outright temerity of having some spare cash. I'm sure our new jobs and businesses will turn out to be world leaders in their field, and produce the highest quality vaccines and ppe.
 
[article]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52749801

The US Senate has passed a bill that could block some Chinese companies from selling shares on American stock exchanges. It would require overseas firms to follow US standards for audits and other financial regulations. The measure now has to be passed by the House of Representatives before being signed into law by President Trump. It comes as US-China tensions increase over the virus pandemic and after the Luckin Coffee accounting scandal. The planned legislation would also require publicly traded companies to reveal whether they are owned or controlled by a foreign government.
[/article]

So it begins. This is what a real leader like Big D does. Meanwhile in the UK.



Rather than bring real jobs back from China, that would require balls, wait that's sexist, it would also be racist, orange man bad, no can't be doing that, bad racism, so we'll create jobs by using negative interest rates to punish investors and force them lend out their cash. Lend it to any old business, not ones that produce superior goods and services, but any old shit just to avoid being charged for the outright temerity of having some spare cash. I'm sure our new jobs and businesses will turn out to be world leaders in their field, and produce the highest quality vaccines and ppe.
Luckin gave them an excuse to do that, however there have been a couple of other high profile chinese companies which Muddy Waters have gone after too.

I've read from a few sources that Luckin have been booted from NASDAQ although it still shows as suspended, due to appeals process.
 
Luckin gave them an excuse to do that, however there have been a couple of other high profile chinese companies which Muddy Waters have gone after too.

I've read from a few sources that Luckin have been booted from NASDAQ although it still shows as suspended, due to appeals process.

The suspension was lifted yesterday, the shares crashed. Partly the fault of clueless investors who look at numbers to do valuations instead of the story to go with the numbers. What happens is China sends a bunch of finance students over to study at top us universities. They figure out the way they are taught to value companies using price per user, price per website hit, and other stupid metrics. Go home to pass on the news. And the Chinese then ping a few billion hits to their company websites to boost it's valuation. Can't blame them, if you're going to be stupid with your money then that's the price you pay.
 
@Modo you still alive?
Yep still hanging on...
Seriously though, the Swedish strategy has so far been both good and bad.

The plan was to implement social distancing with a lot of responsibility put on the individual to make sure we take the necessary precautions, wash our hands, keep a safe distance from each other, don't visit relatives and friends etc.
We were never in lock down.
Yes some public places were and are still closed but we can still move around as much as we want. So that's the good.

The problem is that despite all that we haven't been successful in protecting our elderly.
People working close to the elderly do not have the proper protective gear and masks are still not mandatory.
There are reports now that doctors are neglecting elderly patients. Giving them palliative care before even attempting to diagnose them.
It's scary and there's going to be a backlash when this is over.
 
The suspension was lifted yesterday, the shares crashed. Partly the fault of clueless investors who look at numbers to do valuations instead of the story to go with the numbers. What happens is China sends a bunch of finance students over to study at top us universities. They figure out the way they are taught to value companies using price per user, price per website hit, and other stupid metrics. Go home to pass on the news. And the Chinese then ping a few billion hits to their company websites to boost it's valuation. Can't blame them, if you're going to be stupid with your money then that's the price you pay.
Yes. But the notice for delisting has been served.

It's going to plunge down to close to zero.
 
[article]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52749801

The US Senate has passed a bill that could block some Chinese companies from selling shares on American stock exchanges. It would require overseas firms to follow US standards for audits and other financial regulations. The measure now has to be passed by the House of Representatives before being signed into law by President Trump. It comes as US-China tensions increase over the virus pandemic and after the Luckin Coffee accounting scandal. The planned legislation would also require publicly traded companies to reveal whether they are owned or controlled by a foreign government.
[/article]

So it begins. This is what a real leader like Big D does. Meanwhile in the UK.



Rather than bring real jobs back from China, that would require balls, wait that's sexist, it would also be racist, orange man bad, no can't be doing that, bad racism, so we'll create jobs by using negative interest rates to punish investors and force them lend out their cash. Lend it to any old business, not ones that produce superior goods and services, but any old shit just to avoid being charged for the outright temerity of having some spare cash. I'm sure our new jobs and businesses will turn out to be world leaders in their field, and produce the highest quality vaccines and ppe.


Will be good comfort to 39 million Americans and rising, but US is where smoke and mirrors do work so guess all good there.
 
[article]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52749801

The US Senate has passed a bill that could block some Chinese companies from selling shares on American stock exchanges. It would require overseas firms to follow US standards for audits and other financial regulations. The measure now has to be passed by the House of Representatives before being signed into law by President Trump. It comes as US-China tensions increase over the virus pandemic and after the Luckin Coffee accounting scandal. The planned legislation would also require publicly traded companies to reveal whether they are owned or controlled by a foreign government.
[/article]

So it begins. This is what a real leader like Big D does. Meanwhile in the UK.



Rather than bring real jobs back from China, that would require balls, wait that's sexist, it would also be racist, orange man bad, no can't be doing that, bad racism, so we'll create jobs by using negative interest rates to punish investors and force them lend out their cash. Lend it to any old business, not ones that produce superior goods and services, but any old shit just to avoid being charged for the outright temerity of having some spare cash. I'm sure our new jobs and businesses will turn out to be world leaders in their field, and produce the highest quality vaccines and ppe.


Will be some comfort to 39 unemployed million Americans and rising, but US is where smoke and mirrors do work so guess all good.
 
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