Cool. I'm curious about something.
How do they do a Phase 2 or Phase 3 trial for a vaccine? - Do they innoculate healthy people then send them out into the wilds?
Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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Cool. I'm curious about something.
How do they do a Phase 2 or Phase 3 trial for a vaccine? - Do they innoculate healthy people then send them out into the wilds?
I see Trump has been telling the world he’s been taking Hydrocychloroquine for weeks.
He’s either completely fucking stupid or lying through his teeth, or likely both.
Please let him inject himself with disinfectant soon.
He’s either completely fucking stupid or lying through his teeth, or likely both.
Please let him inject himself with disinfectant soon.
Let's hope his doc is a democrat.
not an area I have expertise on, but I would suggest they will move to phase 2 very quickly and potentially if no dangerous side effects start mass vaccination despite not being able to follow the full process. Our ability to understand these drugs is light years ahead of previous issues ( thalidomide) so risk is small, but still a huge jump if they do go down that path.
Hahahahaha- Did Nancy Pelosi just call Trump fat!!!!
He’ll be in a temper tantrum right now.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...bese-trump-after-hydroxychloroquine-admission
He’ll be in a temper tantrum right now.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...bese-trump-after-hydroxychloroquine-admission
Haha. He really is a fucking idiot, he just can't help himself. Surely there are grounds for impeachment simply on the basis of gross stupidity.
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The drug has the potential to cause significant side effects in some patients and has not been shown to combat the new coronavirus.
Several prominent doctors said they worried that people would infer from Trump’s example that the drug works or is safe.
“There is no evidence that hydroxychloroquine is effective for the treatment or the prevention of Covid-19,” said Dr. Patrice Harris, president of the American Medical Association. “The results to date are not promising.”
People should not infer from Trump’s example “that it’s an approved approach or proven,” because it’s not, said Dr David Aronoff, infectious diseases chief at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville.
Sweden's Care Homes
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Now, increasing numbers of workers are also coming forward to criticise regional healthcare authorities for protocols which they say discourage care home workers from sending residents into hospital, and prevent care home and nursing staff from administering oxygen without a doctor's approval, either as part of acute or palliative (end-of-life) services.
"They told us that we shouldn't send anyone to the hospital, even if they may be 65 and have many years to live. We were told not to send them in," says Latifa Löfvenberg, a nurse who worked in several care homes around Gävle, north of Stockholm, at the beginning of the pandemic.
"Some can have a lot of years left to live with loved ones, but they don't have the chance... because they never make it to the hospital," she says. "They suffocate to death. And it's a lot of panic and it's very hard to just stand by and watch."
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Now, increasing numbers of workers are also coming forward to criticise regional healthcare authorities for protocols which they say discourage care home workers from sending residents into hospital, and prevent care home and nursing staff from administering oxygen without a doctor's approval, either as part of acute or palliative (end-of-life) services.
"They told us that we shouldn't send anyone to the hospital, even if they may be 65 and have many years to live. We were told not to send them in," says Latifa Löfvenberg, a nurse who worked in several care homes around Gävle, north of Stockholm, at the beginning of the pandemic.
"Some can have a lot of years left to live with loved ones, but they don't have the chance... because they never make it to the hospital," she says. "They suffocate to death. And it's a lot of panic and it's very hard to just stand by and watch."
Interesting report from Sweden, where they basically haven't bothered to lock down. Until now it's been said that they've been doing at least as well as we have in limiting the spread of the virus. Maybe there's more to it than that after all.
Looks like youtube has now shut down anything relating to Dr Mikovits (phd biochemistry) or Dr Wittkowski (phd virology computer modelling), joining James Weiler. So we can have free speech, as long as it's pre approved free speech from a list of approved subjects and opinions.
These pair have opinions contrary to current accepted norms, so they have to be silenced at all costs. Even if their opinion is crackers, surely they should be allowed to have openly have that opinion. 3x people with Phd's in biochemistry, virology computer modelling and biology, this isn't 3 daft cunts down the pub.
George Martin:
These pair have opinions contrary to current accepted norms, so they have to be silenced at all costs. Even if their opinion is crackers, surely they should be allowed to have openly have that opinion. 3x people with Phd's in biochemistry, virology computer modelling and biology, this isn't 3 daft cunts down the pub.
George Martin:
Without knowing anything about those individuals and what they are saying, YouTube would be right to shut down any misinformation and lies. We should also hold our political system to that standard. Sadly we don’t.
And the fact that 50% of the population live in single occupier homes. Their rates have increased considerably.
I wish they'd tear out Trump's tongue. Mind you that wouldn't silence him on Twitter and we'd lose out on his daily comedy show so swings n roundabouts
If the dissenting voices are peddling quackery then absolutely they should be silenced.
I very strongly disagree. If it's quackery that should be clearly demonstrable. If it's not thus demonstrable, we need to face up the questions they're posing.
I don't know about the other researcher mentioned, but lots of Dr Mikovits' work has been discredited, papers retracted etc.
Why if someone is talking nonsense should they be shut down, isn't this the concept of free speech?
Also raises the argument that who is the judge and jury of if they're talking nonsense? I'm sure back in the day many hundreds of years ago, they thought there were gods and the earth was flat. Should we still be silencing these people and not even entertain looking into their crazy crazy theories because they don't fit the current line of thinking.
Whether they are right or wrong I don't feel is the issue here, I feel they should be able to share their own opinion.
If they're talking nonsense which puts lives at risk then they should be shut down.
Who is the judge and jury of if they're talking nonsense? Really? If I publish a paper with results that no one else can replicate then I think it's fair to say that I'm talking nonsense. That's how science works. If I start selling a potion that promises to double the size of your cock, do you think I should be allowed to continue to sell it whenever your cock doesn't get bigger?
Although @dantes will tell you otherwise, of course.
I don't think lots of her work has been, just one research piece out of many. And does it also mean we shit on her Phd and the board that awarded it and she's got the intelligence of a 5yr old and knows nothing of virology?
In the case of Weiler, he was claiming that the virus come out of a Wuhan lab, and got shutdown? -Is that putting peoples lives at risk? I'm not saying he's a nutter or not, but, people are getting shut down because it suits.
Also re results not being confirmed, I absolutely agree. But just because they go against the norm they shouldn't be shut down. If 5 people say gravity doesn't exist, and then at a later time someone comes up and says it does, do we shut that train of thinking straight down, because historically we've said otherwise?
Yes, that's not how science works. Flat earth doesn't get shut down because you can take your pick of measurements that demonstrate the earth is not flat. So they get free speech and provide entertainment value. When you have anti-vaxxers spouting their nonsense, again you can take your pick of measurements that.... oh, oh dear, oh shit, well there's nothing for it, shut them the fuck down, you're discredited, wah wah wah, shut up big baby wah wah. What is going on here is that billions in funding has been squandered on laughably bad research, by laughably bad scientists that care nothing for the truth. Only for money. Their science is so bad it can't even withstand the inane ramblings of a nutjob conspiracy theorist, it can't even win that contest, and this is why political bullshit comes into play to shut those people down.
What you need to understand about science, is that it's a career now. Each scientist is frantically chasing one grant after the next, and never finishes anything important. If I want to develop a vaccine, there's fifty different component studies I need to do, and they all fit into the puzzle once they're done. The way science used to work is I work on component 1, then 2, then get to 13, and now I can see from the big picture that 1,5,6 and 11 no longer fit. They were mistakes. I go back and correct them. Nobody is perfect, nobody comes out of the gates with the correct model from the start. Mistakes happen. They get corrected when you put it together, proof in the pudding. Eventually all 50 things, which you probably had to retread and redo three times at least, they all come together, and you have a general theory of relativity, or quantum mechanics.
This is not what happens now. Modern scientists get money, do component 4, churn out some shit, then go onto some other project and do part 35 of that, move on. They don't give a shit about whether they made a mistake. They call them "assumptions". Problem is assumptions don't help you if they're wrong. And nobody bothers to check whether they're wrong. You get paid to move on as quickly as possible, not to spend your life doing something properly.
Every single paper published since the 90's should be retracted. They're all shit.
This is not what happens now. Modern scientists get money, do component 4, churn out some shit, then go onto some other project and do part 35 of that, move on. They don't give a shit about whether they made a mistake. They call them "assumptions". Problem is assumptions don't help you if they're wrong. And nobody bothers to check whether they're wrong. You get paid to move on as quickly as possible, not to spend your life doing something properly.
Every single paper published since the 90's should be retracted. They're all shit.
Remember when Domestos had to tell people not to inject bleach?
Excuse me, I think you'll find there may be one published in Sensors and Actuators B which is a work of genius.
"As well as we have"?!
We're the second worst in the world at 'dealing' with COVID-19. It's hardly a high fucking bar.
If you mean the US, that's debatable. You will note that their leader ignored the scientific advice, popped some pills and is as healthy as ever. Our leader followed scientific advice, and came within one nurse growing a fucking set of being dead.