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Chelsea v Liverpool - Match Thread.

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For their goal, I think he could have saved it and I think he'll be disappointed he didn't. He wasn't "set" quick enough; his body weight was wrong. It's one of those goals you can't blame the GK on, but he did have a chance of tipping it around the post.

As for the 2 one v ones, well those, he's not really expected to save. If that was Mignolet, i'd have little hope of him smothering those.. had Mignolet done that against Chelsea in 2013/4.. or against City away in 2013/4.. we'd have 19 titles now.
 
For their goal, I think he could have saved it and I think he'll be disappointed he didn't. He wasn't "set" quick enough; his body weight was wrong. It's one of those goals you can't blame the GK on, but he did have a chance of tipping it around the post.

As for the 2 one v ones, well those, he's not really expected to save. If that was Mignolet, i'd have little hope of him smothering those.. had Mignolet done that against Chelsea in 2013/4.. or against City away in 2013/4.. we'd have 19 titles now.

In that situation, his priority is covering the near post so Hazard doesn’t get an easy target. He’s forcing Hazard into doing the brilliant, which is a very strong shot across goal into the bottom corner.
I think he may still have been able to save it on another day, but saying he ‘should have’ as Oncy has, is harsh in the extreme. If the goal had gone in near post, then yes, he probably should have. But this was an extremely good goal.
 
I think Hazard caught him mid-adjustment, Alison's style is to make small quick adjustments so he makes most saves look easy – but Hazard surprised him by shooting early. This trait of Alisson was described in a series of tweets from scout Jan Riha I re-posed some time ago, here's a quote:
While he's very agile and quick - even when going to the ground with his hands, he's heavy oriented on positioning. He basically adjusts his position in very quick, short jumps/steps to get in the right angle vs a shot which makes it seem like the ball is hit near him/not good. This little adjusting of position towards the shooter (since it's a jumping movement) leads to the fact, that he can't generate as much power/strength when jumping - hence his leap isn't that big and shots that go perfectly around/wide from him are hard to catch for him
 
Whatever the case I’m glad we got it spot on with the very expensive VVD and Alison.
Gomez looking a serious bargain too.
TAA on a free, Robertson next to nothing in today’s market.
 
Hey but how good does our defense look eh ? It's like a breath of fresh air this backline.

Previously we would be biting our nails, holding onto dear life, for the last 10-15 mins, with that dreaded feeling we'd be a mistake away from crumbling to a late goal. This time round we were actually attacking non-stop looking to win ! At the bridge too ! I see that as progress.

Once our front 3 hit form, we gonna pulverise and tear many teams apart.
 
Hey but how good does our defense look eh ? It's like a breath of fresh air this backline.

Previously we would be biting our nails, holding onto dear life, for the last 10-15 mins, with that dreaded feeling we'd be a mistake away from crumbling to a late goal. This time round we were actually attacking non-stop looking to win ! At the bridge too ! I see that as progress.

Once our front 3 hit form, we gonna pulverise and tear many teams apart.
I thought the Chelsea game was the first time it was a shambles all season. We could have let 4 in.
Usually we are very controlled.
 
Good thing Klopp had a good chat with VdV after the game, didn't he ?

But it's also encouraging to hear what VdV had to say after the game too, backing his manager up, bearing no childish grudges.

It's great to know the attitude in the squad now is first rate. All working towards a united cause and buying into the leadership of our Kloppy. No prima donnas.

I bet United (ha!) are watching us very closely, trying to figure out our secret in management/leadership skills. Poor the Moanrinho.
 
No post-match thread? Oh well, here it is: RAAAAAAAATINNNNNNGS!

First of all, the usual apologies for being tardy, but at least it means I don't repeat all the arguments and analysis that have been done to death already. Well, I hope I don't, as I haven't read any of it. But anyway!

I am deffo guilty of overreacting when we play certain teams, such is my hatred of the opposition. Chelsea is one such team, and it's always horrible losing to those dreadful cunts. But thanks to a moment of untrammelled genius from Sturridge, a deserved draw was snatched at the last. But I don't think either team were that impressive, really.

However, there are a couple of things to talk about that worry me. We've done Salah to death, but it's the midfield.

We cried and bitched and moaned about not having a reliable goalscorer, and Salah solved that (for one season anyway). We prayed to the Gods for a reliable keeper and a top quality CB, and finally Klopp spent £150m on Virgil and Alisson. And we screamed from the rooftops that we needed to overhaul a, ahem, workmanlike midfield, and buy a quality DM, the new Gerrard and a replacement for Coutinho and.......er..........it's the same midfield. No Fekir, for obvious reasons. No Fabinho, for average reasons. And Keita? Bench, for understandable reasons.

Did anyone expect this? It's really quite upsetting, because so much was expected. Especially of Keita. And while our midfield trio of last season are definitely OK (some are more OK than others, and we all have our favourites and not-so favourites), we all knew it needed an overhaul - as did Klopp - and his newly reshaped, rebooted midfield was perhaps that last improvement that could, along with the defence, propel us to the promised land. Fine, he didn't get Fekir as the AM, but it was pretty close.

Now, Milner and Wijnaldum have had good starts to the season. Henderson has been impressive in fits. Ditto Keita. But it's not a midfield that is going to terrorise the best teams. It's been functional. And when one or two players drop a level, it can look less than impressive. Without Keita on the pitch yesterday, we had three workhorses, but nobody who seemed capable of any magic. And sometimes we need it, and we will need it as the season progresses.

Alisson (7) I reckon he might have done better for the goal, but many disagree. Oh well. Was impressive apart from that, and made some vital stops to keep the score at 1-0. He certainly makes the team more confident and looks worth every single dinero so far.

TAA (4) He's been largely impressive in his short career so far, but this was a very testing afternoon, with Chelsea and Hazard in particular, giving him the run-around. Caught of of position too often, and couldn't get his attacking game going either.

Gomez (8) Some of Chelsea's incisive passing and movement created more space between the defenders than we're used to seeing, but the pace of Gomez and Virgil rescued a few worrying situations. There was little threat from Giroud. Composed display.

Virgil (8) Dominant in the air, and kept trying to organise the team defensively when the full-backs were caught out. An obvious leader and a great player.

Robertson (5) Has played better, but he was given a very tough game by Willian, who had his number early on. It was only thanks to the keeper and two CBs that more damage wasn't done. Had a better finish to the game, as he simply refused to accept defeat, but overall this was ordinary.

Henderson (5) Lots of effort and sweat, but was made to look leaden-footed at times by the footwork and movement of Chelsea, with Kovacic in particular causing problems. He couldn't get into the game enough, and his passing was ordinary too. We improved when Keita came on, as he carried the ball forward quicker and had more threat.

Milner (6) Was made to look a bit pedestrian by some of Chelsea's counters, and the quick feet and movement of their players. He never gave an inch, but wasn't as effective or influential as he usually is with the ball. Made some great tackles to halt their momentum.

Wijnaldum (6) Moved into a more attacking role with Henderson sitting, and was typically careful with the ball and hard to dispossess, but that care is also because he didn't attempt anything dangerous, and we simply ran out of ideas and options when "pass to Salah or Mane" didn't work.

Salah (5) Just not happening right now. He's getting into dangerous positions, but isn't making the right decisions, or simply not executing them properly. Should have had at least one goal, but when he's not scoring and playing well, we look a bit flat and uninspired.

Mane (6) I think maybe 6 is a bit generous, as he wasn't really at it. Forced a very good save from their Kepa, but too often passed or ran into trouble.

Firmino (6) Hmm, another that I'm unsure about. He worked hard - obvs - but as the game progressed he became less and less visible, and offered very little goal threat, not for the first time this season, with only one effort on target. When Salah isn't on his game, Firmino looks ordinary.

Subs:

Shaqiri (6) Positive and tried hard, but missed a sitter. He badly needs to score those.

Keita (7) Having a midfielder on the pitch whose first instinct is to pass and run forward was nice to see and made a difference to the last 15 minutes.

Sturridge (8) That was a ridiculous finish.
 
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What does this mean? Why would Van Dijk be bearing a grudge with Klopp?

Klopp had a pretty animated, heated discussion (similar to the one Shaq had) with VD after the match.
He could have been upset with Klopp (in reference to Pogba & Mourinho) but instead, he spoke later publically to back his manager up.

Shows the unity, bond and understanding within the team.
 
Yep. He saved the ones he was meant to save and a couple he wasn’t. The goal was great placement by Hazard - plus Hazard struck the ball into the ground first, creating a difficult-to-read bounce. No keeper stops it.

Yes. It's a bugbear of mine that pundits still go on about being beaten at the near post as if it's a terrible crime. Nowadays strikers are so good at giving the eyes, a keeper is far more conflicted and they have to be ready for a cheeky near post shot, and that opens up a fraction more space at the far post. Hazard was just very smart and sharp. Allison could have slightly altered his position and been done on the other side.
 
It was the speed of Hazards shot as well that threw him, he shot half a second earlier than everyone expected, he still need a perfect finish to beat Allison, and fair play to him he did exactly that.

Maybe Allison could have saved it, but it would have gone down as a top top quality save if it did, and he's already given us two of those yesterday.
 
This is quite interesting:

Chelsea's possession by PL match: vs Huddersfield - 62.8% vs Arsenal - 62.3% vs Newcastle - 81.1% vs Bournemouth - 72.6% vs Cardiff - 76.8% vs West Ham - 71.8% vs Liverpool - 47.2%
 
This is quite interesting:

Chelsea's possession by PL match: vs Huddersfield - 62.8% vs Arsenal - 62.3% vs Newcastle - 81.1% vs Bournemouth - 72.6% vs Cardiff - 76.8% vs West Ham - 71.8% vs Liverpool - 47.2%

I'm not often convinced by possession stats alone, but this seems to be quite complimentary. Also helped that Firmino wasn't letting Jorginho make 100 passes in his own half with all the time in the world.
 
Maybe Allison could have saved it, but it would have gone down as a top top quality save if it did.
Indeed. The kind you hope a 60m keeper would make.

Hes not going to save every single shot he faces ever, no keeper will, but there are some that are saveable ans some that arent. This one for me was saveable.

But then fuck do I know
 
It was saveable, but it wasn't a howler. If he saves it, it's a very good save. He's earnt a bit of good will for a while yet.
 
Just watched the hazard goal about twenty times trying to figure out if Allison could have done better but I'm still surprised at how early he hits the thing so I keep missing it. I don't think many if any keepers would have saved it.

If Salah would have just hit that one in the first half instead of trying to round the keeper he'd have probably scored too.
 
Just watched the hazard goal about twenty times trying to figure out if Allison could have done better but I'm still surprised at how early he hits the thing so I keep missing it. I don't think many if any keepers would have saved it.

If Salah would have just hit that one in the first half instead of trying to round the keeper he'd have probably scored too.

I too am a bit unsure. Sometimes it looks saveable (especially compared to, say, that fucking absurd Sturridge shot), but it is very well placed and hit hard and low.
Dunno, deffo not a "howler", like.
 
Just watched the hazard goal about twenty times trying to figure out if Allison could have done better but I'm still surprised at how early he hits the thing so I keep missing it. I don't think many if any keepers would have saved it.

If Salah would have just hit that one in the first half instead of trying to round the keeper he'd have probably scored too.
I thought he should have saved it too but if you look at Hazards shot he hits it into the ground and the bobble means Allison is only able to make a slight touch. I'm sure without the bobble he'd have got more of his hand onto it rather than a deflection.
 
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I thought the Chelsea game was the first time it was a shambles all season. We could have let 4 in.
Usually we are very controlled.
A shambles? That's harsh.

Against the likes of Chelsea and PSG. They are great teams. You have to expect them to create chances, no matter how well you defend. And especialy when you're chasing the game against them.

The disappointing thing was 2 of the big chances they had was from long through balls. One being from the whole team switching off from a freekick.

On the whole, we defended better than them and generally well.
 
A shambles is very harsh, and I doubt many teams will have performed better than this:
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I thought he should have saved it too but if you look at Hazards shit he hits it into the ground and the bobble means Allison is only able to make a slight touch. I'm sure without the bobble he'd have got more of his hand onto it rather than a deflection.
Now I'm royally pissed off.

I can forgive Allison for not saving it, but the referee should have spotted Hazard hitting his shit into the ground AND the bobble, booked him for ungentlemanly conduct and disallowed the goal
 
A shambles? That's harsh.

Against the likes of Chelsea and PSG. They are great teams. You have to expect them to create chances, no matter how well you defend. And especialy when you're chasing the game against them.

The disappointing thing was 2 of the big chances they had was from long through balls. One being from the whole team switching off from a freekick.

On the whole, we defended better than them and generally well.
Yes a shambles.
Trent and Robertson were all over the place positionally long through balls penetrated us easily, Willian, Hazard both had one on ones with the keeper to go with Hazards run through for goal.
We havnt given those type of chances away all season. Chelsea didnt have to work that hard to get at us. We were fragile at the back.

Hopefully we wont be again for ages.
It was hard to watch.
 
Yes. It's a bugbear of mine that pundits still go on about being beaten at the near post as if it's a terrible crime. Nowadays strikers are so good at giving the eyes, a keeper is far more conflicted and they have to be ready for a cheeky near post shot, and that opens up a fraction more space at the far post. Hazard was just very smart and sharp. Allison could have slightly altered his position and been done on the other side.
Maybe. But anyone who has watched Hazard for any amount of time knows that 99/100 he goes across the keeper. I think Alisson should have been ready for that and left just a smidgeon more at the near post, maybe tempting him into going for a more difficult shot.
 
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