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Nice to know what’s keeping you from posting as frequently as you used to.
Modo is going completely Meta here.
The only thing that I find annoying about this, is that it looks like we’ve compromised on our expectations of getting £42m and have accepted a fair bit lower.
I don’t think we’ve extracted full value from this sale which doesn’t necessarily fill me with confidence for future negotiations.
It may be nothing, but it looks like Bayern didnt have to do much other than restructure the deal a little rather than increasing it from the original one that got out-of-hand rejected.
I don’t think we’ve extracted full value from this sale which doesn’t necessarily fill me with confidence for future negotiations.
It may be nothing, but it looks like Bayern didnt have to do much other than restructure the deal a little rather than increasing it from the original one that got out-of-hand rejected.
I honestly don't get this. He's been a total legend for us. One of THE best ever never mind just our best ever. And he's just playing out his labour contract with us, the same as you or me would do on a fixed term contract (yeah OK he's a footballer but you get the gist). He's entitled to do that and the last thing he's done is down tools, he still puts heart and soul into every game. We have had an absolutely amazing return on investment even if we don't get a penny when he leaves.
He hope he has a fucking amazing season with Diaz, Nunez and Jota and that we smash all goalscoring records ever made.
Unless I'm being whooshed !
Are you fucking kidding me?! As if.
I do think it's a bit of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours (Thiago). Bayern thought they could take the piss but in the end both sides have reached a sensible agreement.
That’s a beautifully done video. After Salah and Firmino leave, most likely in a year, we will start to truly reflect on that transformative trio. Watching this especially brought home how killer Firmino’s last pass was - I really hope that next season he will rediscover this quality and have a proper swan song of a season.
He'll be the player I will miss the most. The least talented out of all three (arguably) and certainly his best form had a shorter window relative to Salah and Mane, but he plays with the least ego out of the three, completely devoted to the team. I had hoped he would go back to a midfield role and evolve his game to prolong his stay here.
The first offer was 21 mill with add ons that included CL wins and Balon d’or wins.
We accepted an offer which was increased with 28 % upfront and a total of 35 mill with achievable add ons.
With us setting a value of 42 mill in the media. Everyone knows we internally would accept a bit lower.
The reason we end up on 35 mill is because Mane has made it clear that Bayern was his preferred choice. If not we would have bids from other clubs hiking the price up.
So, it means nothing.
No mate - in a negotiation it’s a simple tactic to open with an extreme low offer, which is usually countered with an extreme high offer to set the “field of play” - ie the range within which a deal is made.
Each side will have a break point over or under which they will not go to agree the deal.
What I’m saying, and what I said at the time was, by setting our upper limit at £42m, we basically ceded a bit of power in the negotiation to BM that meant they could play around with the deal structure closer to their opening bid.
If we’d said £70m to start off with we might have signalled to BM they’d have to come up a bit further.
Now, we might have prioritised speed of sale or lump sum payment upfront rather than over time that made the deal better in our favour - but I think we missed a trick here.
I don’t accept the “doing a favour” thing either unless we’ve extracted better future terms for another player or an agreement BM won’t bid against us for a specific player (unlikely).
It’s not a biggie - but given we have financial limitations, every pound counts.
They should have paid us back the Thiago money and bought us Carvalho & Ramsey.
Heh, yeah I know all this mate.
But Mane has 1 year left on his contract and said he wants to join Bayern.
Saying you want 70 mill £ would only be useful if the intent was to keep him for 1 more year or if several other clubs were in the loop. It has no basis in reality. Our break point was probably 40 mill £, ish. And we had to to concede more to get the deal done, but our hand was forced.
I’d liked to have even more of the money upfront. But Bayern had all the aces in this negotiation.
In the end its fine given the circumstances.
He's clearly worse than he was and we got what we paid for him. I don't get the issue. Seeing as there was no bidding war they did well to get what they got.
And no, I'm not whooshing about Salah. That's the risk you take when you decide to be out of contract. Something bad could happen. Maybe if it did to a high profile player such as him the window might swing back towards the clubs. I'm fucking bored of all this player power now. It was too skewed against them 20 years ago but now it's the opposite.
And no, I'm not whooshing about Salah. That's the risk you take when you decide to be out of contract. Something bad could happen. Maybe if it did to a high profile player such as him the window might swing back towards the clubs. I'm fucking bored of all this player power now. It was too skewed against them 20 years ago but now it's the opposite.
Mate… I don’t want to pick holes in what you’re saying - but if our “break point” was £40m, then we’ve been done over, because we’ve agreed under our break point.
An extreme opening position isn’t supposed to be realistic - it creates the both ends of the negotiation and then you try to leverage the deal into your half of the area in between.
Our leverage is, we can keep him for another year - he’s under contract, if Mane is desperate to leave, they we could draw it out a little longer to see if anyone else bites - we don’t have to take a deal just because Mane “wants it”.
Look at how BM have, so far, dealt with the Lewandowski transfer. So, you also have to ask how badly BM wanted Mane and their motivations for signing him. We all know they’ll win the Bundesliga again next season regardless of whether they sign Mane - but they got found out in Europe again and they need to make a statement.
I’m just saying we could have leveraged the outcome a little more in our favour.
His profile is much higher now though - he may be older and he may not quite have all the attributes he had when we bought him - but we didn’t buy a player that had won every domestic trophy, played in 3 CL finals and is at least in the conversation for a Ballon d’Or.
You buy pubs… what would you pay more for, a newly created pub with a good fit out but no sales history, or an iconic pub that’s delivered over and over again that’s a bit tired and needs a bit of attention?
pros and cons to both - but you know what I mean.
Fanastic player and seems a great guy off the field, best left winger I have seen at LFC since Barnes.
That goal against Bayern, City and Villa were unique to Mane’s ability.
Will be sad to see him go but he leaves in the best possible way having won the lot. He’s earnt the change and good luck to him.
That goal against Bayern, City and Villa were unique to Mane’s ability.
Will be sad to see him go but he leaves in the best possible way having won the lot. He’s earnt the change and good luck to him.
I hope he has a fucking awesome season and then he smashes his knees. Good compromise? He can attend the Balon d'or in a wheelchair.
We’ve not been done over, and sometimes you have to go beneath the break point to get the deal done given the circumstances. Dont get me started on quoting the The Gap Partnership in here.
Mane informed the club that he wanted to leave, wanted to join Bayern and could sign for another club in January and go for free in 12 months time.
We didnt have any leverage.
You’re not keeping a player and missing out on 30 mill £+, when you also have Salah and Firmino on expiring contracts. Thats never happening. If Mane hadnt informed the club and media about his plans then sure, we would probably have gotten 10 mill more.
The Lewandowski saga isnt finished yet, and he’ll probably leave for a fee below what Bayern want.
I agree with this. We're increasingly seeing players running down their contracts to move on a free and get big wages. Sooner or later one of them will get a career-ending injury in their last 6 months and end up losing everything, which may give some of the others pause for thought.
But the Mbappe situation this year was a game-changer in that PSG ended up giving him what he would have got from a club signing him for a free, and for the very top-drawer players that looks like being an option now, whereas in the past they either went on a Bosman for that kind of money or they re-signed with their existing club for a bit less money. It needs someone to have their career ended while running down their contract to restore some sense.
Unless you knew the 3 year lease was more likely to return more than the 10 year lease.
Anyway - you know what I mean - each side tries to extract maximum value - I just think we didn’t - but not by a huge amount.
Yeah, either this or stop giving a shit. I mean it's not my money is it? I used to be able to argue that it was but that was when my season ticket was about ten times more important to the club than it is now. It's literally one millionth of the current turnover.
Personality I just think it's something fans and clubs get used to. Fans will always have a bias to power remaining with their clubs, but we have to accept that simply honouring the contract and playing with everything until the end is worthy of some respect.
I just can't really see a shift happening back to the was considered normal. Erikksen died on a football pitch and is now attracting interest from all over, players are extending their careers due to the advancement of medical care, nutrition, and that combined with he reduced physicality of the game and better pitches and the risk of that career ending injury just isn't what it used to be.
It feels like a new landscape era in many ways.
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Well it's not like we were offering either of them a five year contract. They could still get a career ending injury just before extending and they'll still be fucked.
Might as well angle to get the biggest bestest six year contract you can, while you can, so by the time u get crippled you'd have earned enough.
Might as well angle to get the biggest bestest six year contract you can, while you can, so by the time u get crippled you'd have earned enough.
However - I didn’t say we’d been done over - I said if our breakpoint was what you suggested, then we had - we don’t know what our breakpoint was. (Given that we announced £42m as our limit, then we probably haven’t gone below our break point).
We did have leverage though - we absolutely did.
I mean, I am only talking about £7m here, but still.
Like I said, if we’ve developed some sort of mutual understanding with BM that we’ll have “soft” negotiations in future, then maybe it was worth it.
It just irks my “Gap” sensibilities a little.
If only Erikksen hadn’t got vaxxed he’d be playing into his 90’s… said someone who has access to Hunter Biden’s laptop.
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