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doctor_mac

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So if we were to have a Brit/Irish manager for LFC who would it be, or are we so ingrained in the idea that a foreign manager is necessary?

MON would probably get most support from the media and LFC fans if we were to go down this route, but I'm not sure. Tune into Villa forums and you'll find their complaints about him are remarkably similar to ours with Rafa. He has a reputation as a motivator but many more Villa players have turned on him publicly than have with Rafa despite his infamous lack of communication.

Hodgson?

McCleish?

Moyes?

Is there a British manager for LFC?

Discuss.
 
It was Moyes who christened Everton "The People's Club." How could he betray the people? :laugh:

If Rafa goes, I reckon Avram Grant is a possibility.
 
Well your honours, I, expecting nothing but ridicule would like to make a case for McCleish.

I lived in Scotland for a while, and borrowed a season ticket for a year at Ibrox in McCleish's reign. He was coming in, a youngish manager from Hibs, after a European Heavyweight, Dick Advocaat, who has had his arse spanked by a British/Irish manager O'Neill, and turned it around immediately. He knew how to make use of young talent, blooding a very young Mikel Arteta, who contrary to the opinion of Ryan, was fantastic for Rangers. He has had experience in Europe with Rangers, though with limited success, but experience none the less, and his side was never humbled. You'll probably consider him a negative manager, and given B'rum's goalscoring this season, I'd not blame you for thinking that, but he knows how to play attacking footy. His Rangers side was the highest scoring I can remember, and his favoured formation was 4-3-3. He has with limited reources given Birmingham their highest placing since 1959. He's a manager who has learned the game through coming through various managing positions, always exceeding expectations, he has won as a player domestically and in Europe with Aberdeen, under, God forgive me, one of the best managers in footballing history. Yet he's better and more of a proven winner, and already with wider experience than any of AF's other proteges.

I rate him very highly indeed. I would give him a try.
 
If we had to pick a British manager (and I hope we don't and am holding out for a certain Portguese manager who probably will not come), it would be Hodgson right now. McCleish would probably be second choice. O'Neill third. And can't think of anyone else even remotely realistic that I would want (Moyes would be great but is not coming for obvious reasons).
 
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Hibernian
McLeish took over a struggling Hibernian side, which was relegated from the Scottish Premier Division in 1998 despite a slight upturn in fortunes under McLeish. He then guided the Edinburgh team back to the Scottish Premier League at the first attempt by winning the First Division championship.[4]
Hibernian consolidated in their first season back in the top division, finishing mid-table and reaching the Scottish Cup semi-final.[4] In the 2000–01 season, Hibs started very strongly. Eventually they had to settle for third place and a Scottish Cup final appearance.[4] This performance attracted the attention of bigger clubs, including West Ham United and Rangers.
McLeish attracted top players such as Russell Latapy and former French international Franck Sauzée to Hibs. He also helped develop young striker Kenny Miller, who would later go on to play for Rangers, Wolves, Celtic, Derby County and Scotland.
During this period McLeish worked towards and was awarded a UEFA Pro Licence.[6][7]
[edit]Rangers
His work at Hibs was noticed, and he was linked with several moves to England, before he was appointed as Rangers manager in December 2001[8] after outgoing Rangers manager Dick Advocaat recommended McLeish to chairman David Murray.[9]
McLeish was an instant success at Rangers, winning both the Scottish Cup[10] and Scottish League Cup[11] in his first season, but the big prize of the league title was essentially lost before his arrival. His second season saw him go one better when he won the domestic treble, with the help of top players such as Ronald de Boer and Barry Ferguson.[12]
Rangers' worsening financial state saw many of his top players leave in the summer of 2003. Celtic won the league comfortably in season 2003–04, and Rangers failed to win any trophies.[13] McLeish was consequently put under pressure from fans after his poor signings and a record run of seven consecutive derby losses to Celtic.[14]
The high profile Bosman signings of Jean-Alain Boumsong and Dado Pršo in the close season of 2004–05 gave Rangers renewed hope of regaining the title from Celtic's grasp.[15] McLeish's team won the 2005 league title on a dramatic last day, an outcome that had looked highly unlikely after Rangers fell five points behind leaders Celtic with just four games remaining.[16]
After this unexpected success, McLeish and his Rangers team headed into the 2005–06 SPL campaign as favourites to retain the championship. McLeish made a number of signings, despite having little money to spend. These included Julien Rodriguez and Ian Murray. After a reasonable start to the season, including a win over Celtic,[17] Rangers suffered a series of poor results between September and November. This period included a club record of 10 games without a win. However the tenth match of this run, a 1–1 draw with Inter Milan in the Champions League, took Rangers into the knockout stages of the tournament for the first time.[18]
Despite the poor domestic form, McLeish guided Rangers to the last 16 of the Champions League, where they were defeated on the away goals rule by Villarreal.[19] They became the first Scottish team to progress this far in the European Cup since 1993, and the first Scottish team to progress through a European group stage.[18] In December, chairman David Murray publicly announced his support for McLeish.[20] Rangers then went on a good run of results in December and January.
This run of good results came to a sudden halt when they were defeated 3–0 by Hibernian in the Scottish Cup,[21] prompting protests outside Ibrox against both McLeish and David Murray.[22] On 9 February 2006, it was announced by chairman David Murray that McLeish would be standing down as manager at the end of that season.[23]
It was later announced that he would be succeeded by former Olympique Lyonnais manager Paul Le Guen. Rangers beat Hearts 2–0 at Ibrox Stadium in his final match as manager.[24]
[edit]Scotland
McLeish said after leaving Rangers that he would not manage another Scottish club, because he felt that he had achieved everything in the Scottish game.[25] He was linked in the media with a number of managerial positions in England while he worked as a television pundit for the BBC and Setanta Sports.
McLeish took charge of the Scotland national side on 29 January 2007.[26] His assistants in the job were Roy Aitken and Andy Watson. McLeish's first game in charge of the national team was a UEFA Euro 2008 qualifying match, a 2–1 victory against Georgia on 24 March 2007 at Hampden Park.[27] His second game was an away fixture against Italy on 28 March 2007 which ended in a 2–0 defeat.[28]
McLeish's Scotland side then went on to defeat the Faroe Islands away in June,[29] Lithuania at home in September[30] before recording a historic victory in Paris four days later by defeating France 1–0 in the Parc des Princes.[31] James McFadden's 64th-minute strike from 30 yards was enough to earn Scotland the win and returned them to the top of Group B with three games to play. This result has been hailed as one of the Scotland national team's greatest victories.[32] Scotland's next success was at home to Ukraine, winning 3–1 at Hampden on 13 October. McLeish suffered his second defeat as manager, away in Georgia on 17 October. This result left him facing a decider against the World Champions, Italy. Scotland lost the game, McLeish's last, and Italy qualified for the finals.
[edit]Birmingham City
Premier League Birmingham City's approach to the SFA for permission to speak to McLeish about their managerial vacancy was refused,[33] but on his return on 27 November 2007 from attending the draw for 2010 FIFA World Cup qualification in South Africa, he resigned his post as manager of Scotland[34] and was announced as Birmingham's new manager the following day. His assistants with Scotland, Roy Aitken and Andy Watson, were to accompany him. McLeish said he wanted to return to working with players on a daily basis and had "always harboured a desire" to manage in the Premier League.[35]


He enjoyed a positive managerial debut with Birmingham, winning 3–2 away to Tottenham Hotspur.[36] In the January 2008 transfer window, McLeish strengthened Birmingham's squad, buying David Murphy and James McFadden and signing Argentina under-20 international Mauro Zárate on loan, while generating funds by allowing fringe players to leave.[37] He was unable to save Birmingham from relegation, despite the team recording an impressive 4–1 victory over Blackburn Rovers on the last day of the season.[38]
McLeish improved the club's backroom staff and training procedures, appointed David Watson as goalkeeping coach, and overhauled the scouting setup, bringing in Paul Montgomery – the scout who recommended a relatively unknown Didier Drogba to West Ham United – to oversee player recruitment.[39]
On the final day of the 2008–09 season, McLeish secured Birmingham's return to the top flight of English football at the first attempt with a 2–1 away victory over Reading.[40] By mid-January 2010, McLeish had guided them to a 12-game unbeaten run, a club record in the top division,[41] set a Premier League record by selecting the same starting eleven for nine consecutive games,[42] and been named Premier League Manager of the Month for December 2009, the first Birmingham manager to receive the award.[43]
 
We all get a certain sense of comfort, me included, in having a 'European manager'. Well wise up fuckos, we're European too. And scottish managers kick ass.
 
I would love McLeish except that he has very bad hair. It looks like a road kill squirrel that has been left at the side of the road for a few days.
 
Nice try, Doc, but I don't want McLeish.

As I said in another thread, I'm warming to Woy. He'd probably be a short-term appointment, but I have a feeling he'd help stabilise the club, perhaps a bit like Uncle Roy did after Souness's failed revolution. He wouldn't attract major foreign stars, perhaps, but he'd win the respect of those already here - and, given the UEFA rules, we probably need to be buying more British players anyway.

I'd rather have Mourinho or Capello, but I'm beginning to accept that those are unlikely scenarios.
 
Moyes is the best of the British / Irish contingent.

I think I'd prefer a German or Dutch manager though.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40043.msg1097442#msg1097442 date=1272786903]
Moyes is the best of the British / Irish contingent.

I think I'd prefer a German or Dutch manager though.
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Van Gaal?

I'm a bit bemused by the Jol suggestion, given that he couldn't get Spurs in the top 4. How's he done since then?
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40043.msg1097438#msg1097438 date=1272786823]
Nice try, Doc, but I don't want McLeish.

As I said in another thread, I'm warming to Woy. He'd probably be a short-term appointment, but I have a feeling he'd help stabilise the club, perhaps a bit like Uncle Roy did after Souness's failed revolution. He wouldn't attract major foreign stars, perhaps, but he'd win the respect of those already here - and, given the UEFA rules, we probably need to be buying more British players anyway.

I'd rather have Mourinho or Capello, but I'm beginning to accept that those are unlikely scenarios.

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MON would come here in a minute, but a less experienced McCleish matched him in Scotland, and had more tactical variation, so I don't see any reason to appoint him over McCleish.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40043.msg1097447#msg1097447 date=1272787236]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40043.msg1097438#msg1097438 date=1272786823]
Nice try, Doc, but I don't want McLeish.

As I said in another thread, I'm warming to Woy. He'd probably be a short-term appointment, but I have a feeling he'd help stabilise the club, perhaps a bit like Uncle Roy did after Souness's failed revolution. He wouldn't attract major foreign stars, perhaps, but he'd win the respect of those already here - and, given the UEFA rules, we probably need to be buying more British players anyway.

I'd rather have Mourinho or Capello, but I'm beginning to accept that those are unlikely scenarios.

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MON would come here in a minute, but a less experienced McCleish matched him in Scotland, and had more tactical variation, so I don't see any reason to appoint him over McCleish.
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Um, where did I mention Martin O'Neill?
 
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40043.msg1097447#msg1097447 date=1272787236]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40043.msg1097438#msg1097438 date=1272786823]
Nice try, Doc, but I don't want McLeish.

As I said in another thread, I'm warming to Woy. He'd probably be a short-term appointment, but I have a feeling he'd help stabilise the club, perhaps a bit like Uncle Roy did after Souness's failed revolution. He wouldn't attract major foreign stars, perhaps, but he'd win the respect of those already here - and, given the UEFA rules, we probably need to be buying more British players anyway.

I'd rather have Mourinho or Capello, but I'm beginning to accept that those are unlikely scenarios.

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MON would come here in a minute, but a less experienced McCleish matched him in Scotland, and had more tactical variation, so I don't see any reason to appoint him over McCleish.
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Um, where did I mention Martin O'Neill?
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*Searches. Scratches head. Shrugs shoulders*
 
I may be wrong here, but hasnt Hodgson fucked up everytime he's had a "big" club to run?

MoN or McCleish for me. that's making the obvious assumption that Gollum would never come here, cos he's the best British manager other than Fergie & has proven it time & again.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40043.msg1097457#msg1097457 date=1272787776]
And who mentioned Jol ?
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They better stop it whoever it is.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40043.msg1097458#msg1097458 date=1272787812]
I may be wrong here, but hasnt Hodgson fucked up everytime he's had a "big" club to run?

MoN or McCleish for me. that's making the obvious assumption that Gollum would never come here, cos he's the best British manager other than Fergie & has proven it time & again.
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Just checked & I was wrong, I thought he'd fucked up Bayern & Inter at some point, Wiki tells me otherwise, he didnt do that badly at inter apparently, relatively.
 
For me it would be Moyes or Hodgson (not particularly keen on either for various reasons though).

Moyes has it in him to be a very good manager at a big club imo, and I guess Hodgson could do a decent job of steadying the ship for a couple of years.

MON is unbelievably overrated, he's got a net spend of £88 million over the last 4 years and what has he actually achieved at Villa?
 
One of the many concerns I'd have about appointing any of the candidates mentioned in this thread is that is that it wouldn't do much to inspire the likes of Torres, Masher et al. At least that's what it would seem like from the outside.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40043.msg1097466#msg1097466 date=1272788321]
For me it would be Moyes or Hodgson (not particularly keen on either for various reasons though).

Moyes has it in him to be a very good manager at a big club imo, and I guess Hodgson could to a decent job of steadying the ship for a couple of years.

MON is unbelievably overrated, he's got a net spend of £88 million over the last 4 years and what has he actually achieved at Villa?
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The same as David O'Leary is the answer. But PR is everything.
 
Funny that this thread would start this very day. The very same day that I'm awoken by a text telling me Hodgeson IS our next manager.
I laughed it off, but then Roys on 909 and he says 'i'd like to remain at this level for years to come' to which he was asked 'don't you look at ferguson and redknapp and think to yourself I'd like that money and to be at a bigger club' and Roy says ' I mean top players at the top level not nescessarily where I am' so there you go. Roys the man
 
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=40043.msg1097418#msg1097418 date=1272772794]
MON is the obvious choice. - Is he now ?, you prat !

Hodgy.

O'leary.

Bruce.

Redknapp.

Mcleish.

Moyes.

Mcclaren.


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Fuck.Me.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40043.msg1097472#msg1097472 date=1272788901]
Funny that this thread would start this very day. The very same day that I'm awoken by a text telling me Hodgeson IS our next manager.
I laughed it off, but then Roys on 909 and he says 'i'd like to remain at this level for years to come' to which he was asked 'don't you look at ferguson and redknapp and think to yourself I'd like that money and to be at a bigger club' and Roy says ' I mean top players at the top level not nescessarily where I am' so there you go. Roys the man
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40043.msg1097472#msg1097472 date=1272788901]
Funny that this thread would start this very day.
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I'm way ahead of the pack me.
 
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