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I think its self defeating for a split in the players union and not in keeping with what should be the ultimate aim, genuine equality and unity. That said I can certainly see that the FA's handling of the Terry affair and the bad blood it's caused would leave black players feeling aggrieved, in conjunction with the relative paucity of black managers in the game I can see why some black players would aim to be more militant in having their voices heard.
 
A big part of the problem is that the PFA has been allowed to decline in efficiency for years thanks to that hopelessly inept time-server Gordon Taylor, who should have been booted out ages ago. He's surrounded himself with like-minded amateur bureaucrats who are about as smart and dynamic as a bunch of sleepy mice trapped in a shoebox. Get rid of him, persuade John Barnes or someone of similar stature and intelligence to take over, recruit some young, properly-qualified and motivated people to assist him and start making a difference.

From, at the very least, a PR point of view the whole structure needs transparency as well: at the moment, whenever a crisis occurs, we get a vaguely worded statement from the FA and a mind-numbingly redundant monologue from Taylor, and then we don't really get to know who talks to whom and how the process develops. There needs to be much more integration and clarity.
 
Sunny said:
You wouldn't qualify anyway Ross. Much as I reckon you'd handle typical Skando activities like eating a leg of pork as if it were a chicken drumstick and don't think you've quite got the hang of the pillaging or rapey deflowering of maidens.
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I'll try to work on my rapeyness over the coming bank holiday weekend
 
gkmacca said:
A big part of the problem is that the PFA has been allowed to decline in efficiency for years thanks to that hopelessly inept time-server Gordon Taylor, who should have been booted out ages ago. He's surrounded himself with like-minded amateur bureaucrats who are about as smart and dynamic as a bunch of sleepy mice trapped in a shoebox. Get rid of him, persuade John Barnes or someone of similar stature and intelligence to take over, recruit some young, properly-qualified and motivated people to assist him and start making a difference.

From, at the very least, a PR point of view the whole structure needs transparency as well: at the moment, whenever a crisis occurs, we get a vaguely worded statement from the FA and a mind-numbingly redundant monologue from Taylor, and then we don't really get to know who talks to whom and how the process develops. There needs to be much more integration and clarity.
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Joey's views on Taylor

3h Joseph Barton ‏@Joey7Barton
Taylor's like a fat, festering old king. Too drunk on power or wine to notice that his meal is a rotting corpse of maggots. Time to go GT!
 
gkmacca said:
A big part of the problem is that the PFA has been allowed to decline in efficiency for years thanks to that hopelessly inept time-server Gordon Taylor, who should have been booted out ages ago.
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Inept and also grossly over-paid at £1 million per annum! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-12402734

There is a problem with the PFA in that it still gets the same percentage of the players' salaries as it did when they were on £20 per week, but does more or less the same things as it always did. Now the players earn £ thousands per week, its cash inflow has rocketed. The PFA is swimming with money that it doesn't know what to do with.
 
Portly said:
Inept and also grossly over-paid at £1 million per annum! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-12402734

There is a problem with the PFA in that it still gets the same percentage of the players' salaries as it did when they were on £20 per week, but does more or less the same things as it always did. Now the players earn £ thousands per week, its cash inflow has rocketed. The PFA is swimming with money that it doesn't know what to do with.
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Are you sure that's true? Because to join the PFA professional players have to pay £150 (+ £20 joining fee) and much less if you're a non-pro.

Do you have an article or anything explaining they give a percentage of their wages? Because I have never heard of this before.
 
dave2 said:
Are you sure that's true? Because to join the PFA professional players have to pay £150 (+ £20 joining fee) and much less if you're a non-pro.

Do you have an article or anything explaining they give a percentage of their wages? Because I have never heard of this before.
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You're right, I was talking out of my arse. The PFA get nearly all their money directly from the Premier League and the Football League. I found an article about the PFA finances by Mihir Bose here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/3017256/PFA-Profile-PFA-rely-on-Premier-League-for-large-portion-of-income.html

It's over 10 years old but it still illustrates my point that the PFA is rolling in money.
 
dave2 said:
Is this some sort of joke?

What would happen if a group of white players started a similar group specifically for white footballs only?

What possible good could this really achieve?

Also Clarke Carlisle is an annoying bellend who badly loves the sound of his own voice.
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There is already an organisation in existence, its is called the PFA 😉
 
OK kids... Only 3.2% of football managers in England are black...

But only 2.1% of males in the UK aged 45 - 64 are black...

OVER REPRESENTATION FOR BLACKS! WE NEED MORE WHITE MANAGERS!
 
My mate who works in ethnicity and does all statistical studies for councils just told me that. I made the point that we should try and tell Ferdinandrolone et al.
 
David James came out last week and said he's never seen another black man on the coaching courses he's been doing so its no surprise there isn't many black managers.
 
I saw a list the other day of black players who HAD been given a chance at managerial and/or coaching level and I was actually surprised how many there were. The biggest names, such as Barnes and Ince, just haven't done well enough, like many white players of a similar stature, such as Shearer and Zola. Plenty of mediocre black players have made bad managers, such as Carlton Palmer (in fact, he was actually given more time than many white managers of similar inexperience would have had). As Woland notes, there's a broader societal reason for the difference in numbers, and there also is - so far - in terms of how many big name British black players there are. Hopefully someone like Chris Powell will buck the trend and inspire others to try their hand, but I'm not sure there's as much resistance, in this sense, as is being claimed by Clarke and co.
 
Woland said:
OK kids... Only 3.2% of football managers in England are black...

But only 2.1% of males in the UK aged 45 - 64 are black...

OVER REPRESENTATION FOR BLACKS! WE NEED MORE WHITE MANAGERS!
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What is the % of black footballers though?
 
hmmmmm1 said:
So your **mate** isn't really making a valid comparison.
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Wut? The average age of Premier League managers is 53, so these guys are on average twenty years older than people at the end of their careers. Twenty years ago John Barnes was the first ever black Liverpool player. Everton hadn't had any. You seeing the picture?
 
hmmmmm1 said:
Have you bothered to even read the article?
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Holts?

A while ago yeah. He's been banging the drum for a while.

I fail to see how making a club give an interview to a black manager because he's black will change anything
 
Fabio said:
Holts?

A while ago yeah. He's been banging the drum for a while.

I fail to see how making a club give an interview to a black manager because he's black will change anything
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Because at the minuate, they struggle to even get to interview stage.
 
Woland said:
Wut? The average age of Premier League managers is 53, so these guys are on average twenty years older than people at the end of their careers. Twenty years ago John Barnes was the first ever black Liverpool player. Everton hadn't had any. You seeing the picture?
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The debate isn't just about premiere league managers.

The debate concerns all 72 league clubs and Coaching roles right down to youth level
 
hmmmmm1 said:
Because at the minuate, they struggle to even get to interview stage.
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Because they haven't done anything of note!

They need to work their way up. Sure, there might be a shearer or whatever but Bruce, hughes etc have all earned their current jobs.

Are there lots of unemployed black managers? Or a lot of former black players saying they won't get a job
 
So? Black players were rare twenty odd years ago. Black managers are rare now. No conspiracy here.
 
Fabio said:
Because they haven't done anything of note!

They need to work their way up. Sure, there might be a shearer or whatever but Bruce, hughes etc have all earned their current jobs.

Are there lots of unemployed black managers? Or a lot of former black players saying they won't get a job
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If they don't get an equal chance how can they work their way up?

That is the point.
 
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