Black Power

[Portly]

Football is a very competitive business. No club board is going to reject a black applicant for the manager's job if they think he is going to bring them success.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

Is this some sort of joke?

What would happen if a group of white players started a similar group specifically for white footballs only?

What possible good could this really achieve?

Also Clarke Carlisle is an annoying bellend who badly loves the sound of his own voice.

Yes like the MOWO awards

regards

 

[Vlads Quiff]

Football is a very competitive business. No club board is going to reject a black applicant for the manager's job if they think he is going to bring them success.

Exactly, I would even accept a Mancunian manager if they guaranteed success

regards

 

[Woland]

I'm reminded of a certain song from many years back when one would claim to have rather been a something than a something else.

 

[red_maradona]

Portly said: ↑

Football is a very competitive business. No club board is going to reject a black applicant for the manager's job if they think he is going to bring them success.​

Exactly, I would even accept a Mancunian manager if they guaranteed success

regards

that is not the issue though. how do you provide for a level playing field so that black managers have the opportunities to compete? no one starts off as an amazing manager, they get there through hard work and also by navigating the 'system'.

 

[gkmacca]

If the focus is British managers, I can't think that a high proportion have had a chance in recent years, regardless of colour. When it comes, within that group, with black managers, with someone like Ince standing there with 'score goals' scribbled on his pad for half time, then it doesn't advance the cause that much. Ince, in fact, is a real example: he was doing well at MK Dons, he could have spent the next two or three years taking them from obscurity right up to challenging for the Premier League. That would have been an immense breakthrough for black managers. But instead he jumped ship so early and blew all that promise within months at Blackburn. Chris Powell is steadily earning the right to manage at a high level. The more who follow, the more OUGHT to achieve it.

 

[red_maradona]

If the focus is British managers, I can't think that a high proportion have had a chance in recent years, regardless of colour. When it comes, within that group, with black managers, with someone like Ince standing there with 'score goals' scribbled on his pad for half time, then it doesn't advance the cause that much. Ince, in fact, is a real example: he was doing well at MK Dons, he could have spent the next two or three years taking them from obscurity right up to challenging for the Premier League. That would have been an immense breakthrough for black managers. But instead he jumped ship so early and blew all that promise within months at Blackburn. Chris Powell is steadily earning the right to manage at a high level. The more who follow, the more OUGHT to achieve it.

Fair point. But what I sense is that black players, for whatever reason, are declining the opportunity to pursue coaching in the first place, that's why many are frustrated. There must be a reason. Either their own in-built prejudices about how the 'system' is still bad, or there is actually something wrong with the system. Admittedly there are examples like Powell, however, this in itself doesn't address the problem that black players still feel that something isn't right.

 

[gkmacca]

Good point as well. Probably more telling, actually.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

Portly said: ↑

Football is a very competitive business. No club board is going to reject a black applicant for the manager's job if they think he is going to bring them success.​

that is not the issue though. how do you provide for a level playing field so that black managers have the opportunities to compete? no one starts off as an amazing manager, they get there through hard work and also by navigating the 'system'.

You answered your own question. If anyone thinks that black managers don't get the chance because they are black is mad, not you RM obv.

Anyway Woland has owned this thread with logic, and stats that are hard to argue with.


regards

 

[Vlads Quiff]

Fair point. But what I sense is that black players, for whatever reason, are declining the opportunity to pursue coaching in the first place, that's why many are frustrated. There must be a reason. Either their own in-built prejudices about how the 'system' is still bad, or there is actually something wrong with the system. Admittedly there are examples like Powell, however, this in itself doesn't address the problem that black players still feel that something isn't right.

Or perhaps they are very wise and simply not attracted to the idea.
It could also be that as Woland points out, that it would only be now that we would see a higher percentage of black players coming through , which would have coincided as players, with bigger wages and transfer bonuses and they are part of a generation that don't need to go into management.



regards

 

[Rosco]

If the focus is British managers, I can't think that a high proportion have had a chance in recent years, regardless of colour. When it comes, within that group, with black managers, with someone like Ince standing there with 'score goals' scribbled on his pad for half time, then it doesn't advance the cause that much. Ince, in fact, is a real example: he was doing well at MK Dons, he could have spent the next two or three years taking them from obscurity right up to challenging for the Premier League. That would have been an immense breakthrough for black managers. But instead he jumped ship so early and blew all that promise within months at Blackburn. Chris Powell is steadily earning the right to manage at a high level. The more who follow, the more OUGHT to achieve it.

And the racists in football allowed Ince to take that job while not having the right qualifications.

 

[hmmmmm1]

Or perhaps they are very wise and simply not attracted to the idea.
It could also be that as Woland points out, that it would only be now that we would see a higher percentage of black players coming through , which would have coincided as players, with bigger wages and transfer bonuses and they are part of a generation that don't need to go into management.



regards

Or there is a precieved glass ceiling so some people don't bother

 

[Fabio]

Bit if it's perceived, then how is it for others to challenge it? Try and break through it to see if it's actually there

 

[Brizzle]

If they don't get an equal chance how can they work their way up?

That is the point.

So you believe in a quota of black managers being short listed for a role.

Say a club has 8 spots, picks the top 7 (all white) and then can't decide between person A (white) or B (black ) for spot 8. In your World this would go to person B meaning person A wouldn't get an interview because he isn't black. That makes it a racist system.

 

[Y1]

Coming from a racial affirmative quasi apartheid country, I say go for meritocracy rather than race based quota. It is what you know that matters.