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A leading human rights barrister has said talks over a separate black footballers' association have begun.

Peter Herbert, who chairs the Society of Black Lawyers and helped set up a Black Police Association, says the discussions are at a preliminary stage.

Herbert says the new organisation would provide a more "radical" and "vigorous" approach to combating racism.

Professional Footballers' Association chairman Clarke Carlisle warned a new group could have a divisive effect.

Herbert said players from various levels of the game, including the Premier League, were involved in discussions. The working title for the proposed body is the Black Players' Association.

Continued at http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20048531
 
Is this some sort of joke?

What would happen if a group of white players started a similar group specifically for white footballs only?

What possible good could this really achieve?

Also Clarke Carlisle is an annoying bellend who badly loves the sound of his own voice.
 
Yeah this is a bad idea. The whole point is that we're all equal, so setting up a separate group just for black people goes against that. And what if you're mixed race? Can you join then? Or only half the time?

I fucking hate Clarke Carlisle. Shit at football and nowhere near as smart as he thinks he is, despite his need to tell the world he's super intelligent every 5 minutes.
 
They really need to explain what clear idea they have in terms of the ends of such a new organisation. Most of their comments so far are simply negative - the PFA and Kick It Out aren't effective enough, etc. That leaves one just wondering why they don't make specific demands/prescriptions as to how to make the PFA, Kick It Out etc MORE effective.

Are they saying the PFA itself is prejudiced against the needs of black players? That would be a basis for a separate union, but I haven't seen any mention of such an accusation. If they don't think the PFA discriminates between any of its members, I can't see the justification in a breakaway union.

If they think a new organisation is needed to achieve something different, or something the same but more effectively, then they ought to be explaining what that might be. New laws? New fines and bans? New legal cases? Some hypothetical cases would help. In what kind of circumstances would a new black-only union intervene differently or more effectively than the existing groups? Presumably if the ruling bodies remain the same, then there's nothing a black union could do, in terms of negotiation or protest, that the PFA can't do? Which takes us back to the need for the PFA to start doing its job better. It all sounds like one of Clark Carlisle's over-eager bursts of media waffle.
 
Halmeister said:
I fucking hate Clarke Carlisle. Shit at football and nowhere near as smart as he thinks he is, despite his need to tell the world he's super intelligent every 5 minutes.
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John Barnes must sit there rolling his eyes every time Carlisle pops up on TV. Why Digger isn't just handed the responsibility to be the genuinely intelligent and thoughtful figurehead for black players is beyond me. He cares about the issues, and understands them thoroughly, whereas Carlisle gives me the impression he just wants a career as an all-purpose committee chairman and media personality.
 
gkmacca said:
They really need to explain what clear idea they have in terms of the ends of such a new organisation. Most of their comments so far are simply negative - the PFA and Kick It Out aren't effective enough, etc. That leaves one just wondering why they don't make specific demands/prescriptions as to how to make the PFA, Kick It Out etc MORE effective.

Are they saying the PFA itself is prejudiced against the needs of black players? That would be a basis for a separate union, but I haven't seen any mention of such an accusation. If they don't think the PFA discriminates between any of its members, I can't see the justification in a breakaway union.

If they think a new organisation is needed to achieve something different, or something the same but more effectively, then they ought to be explaining what that might be. New laws? New fines and bans? New legal cases? Some hypothetical cases would help. In what kind of circumstances would a new black-only union intervene differently or more effectively than the existing groups? Presumably if the ruling bodies remain the same, then there's nothing a black union could do, in terms of negotiation or protest, that the PFA can't do? Which takes us back to the need for the PFA to start doing its job better. It all sounds like one of Clark Carlisle's over-eager bursts of media waffle.
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I wouldn't be surprised if there are grievances as I be fair they are probably legitimate. The FA are great at symbolic gestures, such as the Respect campaign, but they don't excel at actually changing anything because the right incentives aren't in place for people to change their behaviour.
 
Rosco said:
I wouldn't be surprised if there are grievances as I be fair they are probably legitimate. The FA are great at symbolic gestures, such as the Respect campaign, but they don't excel at actually changing anything because the right incentives aren't in place for people to change their behaviour.
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Yes, but the PFA is there to deal with those grievances. If the problem is the PFA is not effective enough as a union, then all members of that union have a problem. If the problem is the PFA is only effective enough for its white members, it needs an internal clean-up. But if the problem is the FA is shit at dealing with unions, another one surely won't rectify that (or if it will, it needs explaining how it will do so).

If the real concern is to get the FA to act more quickly, seriously and effectively on racist issues, then we're surely looking at a pressure group rather than a union. It all seems very poorly articulated.
 
The reason they are all ineffective is because they don't even understand what racism is. To be honest, that is because they are too stupid, didn't pay enough attention in school, and now lack the intelligence to grasp anything other than simplistic concepts.

This new black players union will be no different.
 
Oh dear oh dear, Phil Brown has intervened to explain things:

I’ve been called ‘sunbed’. I’ve been called, you know, ‘orange man’… and it’s not as serious as what these guys are claiming because it’s from their past and where I’m concerned it’s a level of abuse at my skin colour. Now, I don’t class that as an abuse, so I just get on with it. But these guys…
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With whoppers like him around it's easy to sympathise with those rebelling now.
 
Racism row: PFA issues six-point action plan
The Professional Footballers' Association has issued a six-point action plan to deal with racism.
Criticised for not doing enough to tackle the problem, the PFA says it is now time for tougher penalties.
Culprits could be sacked and ordered to attend awareness programmes.
The response comes after Reading striker Jason Roberts, a member of the PFA's management committee, expressed frustration that his recommendations had not been acted on.
The PFA's plan calls for:
  • Speeding up the process of dealing with reported racist abuse with close monitoring of any incidents
  • Consideration of stiffer penalties for racist abuse and to include an equality awareness programme for culprits and clubs involved
  • An English form of the "Rooney rule" - introduced by American football's National Football League in 2003 - to make sure qualified ethnic minority coaches are on interview lists for job vacancies
  • The proportion of black coaches and managers to be monitored and any inequality or progress highlighted
  • Racial abuse to be considered gross misconduct in player and coach contracts (and therefore potentially a sackable offence)
  • Not losing sight of other equality issues such as gender, sexual orientation, disability, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia and Asians in football
PFA chief Gordon Taylor also called for unity following reports some players were considering forming a breakaway organisation for black footballers.
"If they want their own particular select group who they feel they can influence everybody more than the whole PFA as a union together, I would say they are seriously mistaken," said Taylor.
"If we are not careful, this will set us back years. It would not only set back the game, it would set back the anti-racist initiative."
His views are echoed by former West Bromwich Albion and Arsenal defender Brendon Batson.
Batson, a former PFA administrator, told BBC Radio 5 live: "I don't think there would be any benefit.
"What we need to do is address the concerns of current black players, hear their voice and see if we can do something about it.
"We need to harness the anger of the current players and let it be an instrument for change, but I don't think a split will help the situation."
Football Association chairman David Bernstein announced on Tuesday that the governing body will review the sanctions for racist abuse following the John Terry case.
The Chelsea defender was banned for four games after being found guilty of abusing Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand, a punishment Bernstein felt was "about right".
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I'm gonna start a thread for black members only.
Only 70s ebonic lingo is allowed.
You jive turkeys.
 
gkmacca said:
Oh dear oh dear, Phil Brown has intervened to explain things:



With whoppers like him around it's easy to sympathise with those rebelling now.
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Hahahaha fuck me that's amazing.

The same guy who called Pirlo homophobic for not leaving Seria A.
 
I agree with John Barnes' standpoint that there is racism in all aspects of our society - although I think it has steadily reduced over the years. There is no sensible reason why football has been singled out for special treatment.

However, the point that a black players' association would be discriminatory, while quite logical, doesn't appear to be generally accepted as we already have the Black Police Association . . . . . and the MOBO awards!
 
It's a stupid separatist idea and completely unwarrented. Will only make the split bigger.
 
Rosco said:
Being Trapped in a thread with Hansern is my idea of hell
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You wouldn't qualify anyway Ross. Much as I reckon you'd handle typical Skando activities like eating a leg of pork as if it were a chicken drumstick and don't think you've quite got the hang of the pillaging or rapey deflowering of maidens.
 
Of course, we had to get an intervention from Planet Stupid:

Joseph Barton ‏@Joey7Barton
Seminal moment for the game I love.It has given great woes and joys over the course of my life.I will fight for her. Right now, she needs me.


What an egomaniac!
 
I'm actually all for the protest against the Kick It Out campaign. You can see why some players would be pissed off. Especially the debacle surrounding EBJT. The whole thing is a joke really. Maybe the wrong people to protest against though. Surely the FA are the ones responsible. I think the idea of a black football union is absurd though.
 
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