Best commentator and pundit?

[themn]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=37012.msg982487#msg982487 date=1257679406]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=37012.msg982474#msg982474 date=1257678461]
I used to love James Richardson on the Italian footy. Is he still knocking about?
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Guardian Football weekly podcast.

He hosts it.

I don't think he's on TV regularly these days.
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He had a show on Satanta..oh !

 

[Rosco]

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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=37012.msg982487#msg982487 date=1257679406]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=37012.msg982474#msg982474 date=1257678461]
I used to love James Richardson on the Italian footy. Is he still knocking about?
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Guardian Football weekly podcast.

He hosts it.

I don't think he's on TV regularly these days.
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He had a show on Satanta..oh !
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Yeah they still take the piss out of him on the podcast for that

 

[Molbystwin]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37012.msg982389#msg982389 date=1257674822]
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but i actually like David Pleat.

If you ignore the ridiculous pronounciations, he actually understands what's happening on a football pitch.
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Me too, he isnt bad at all and he isnt biased, alan green i also like, stuart hall is genuinely funny and Hansen is the best pundit.

Lawrenson is a cunt but he does speak his mind albeit with his ego dripping out of every word. That Dunphy is just a cunt schlagging off all and sundry for the rise, sadly his United tendencies mean that i usually end up hating the wanker.

Occasional commentators I cannot fucking stand include Trevor Francis, primarily for his anti - Liverpool bias.
I don't mind the dull tones of Alan Smith, except when he is commentating an Arsenal game against us.

As for Gray, I don't mind the fact that he is biased against Liverpool because at times he lets his enthusiam for the game and sporting nature show through he is a good commentator.

Clive tyldesley is fine, Jon Champion is like having Le tiisier on the mic.... i fucking hate Jon Champion he is the embodiment of all thats wrong with commentators at the minute. I think to a degree Dunphy is to blame, in order to make English football commentary less bland and more opinionated a la Dunphy i've noticed that there has been a marked move away from actually saying what is happening and reporting in an unbiased fashion towards the situation to where a commentator almost continually puts the on field happenings into some wider often completely twisted context. It wasn't Champion the other night but i was infuriated by the commentary of the league cup game against Arsenal, the script was Arsenal have a team of up and coming undeniable brilliance and Liverpool are in crisis, despite actually being the bettter team and playing most of the football we had 90 minutes of scripted rhetoric.

 

[gkmacca]

Trevor Francis is hilariously hopeless. Why they keep using him is a mystery. He thinks watching a replay and redescribing what you've just seen is 'analysis'.

 

[Molbystwin]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37012.msg982543#msg982543 date=1257683556]
Trevor Francis is hilariously hopeless. Why they keep using him is a mystery. He thinks watching a replay and redescribing what you've just seen is 'analysis'.
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He is a fucking tool, i remember once we were playing a monday night game against a smaller team at home and he couldnt stop slating us even as we ran out 4 nil winners... tosser.

 

[gkmacca]

Jon Champion also takes his family to his local Beefeater every weekend and they all sit there with their arms up swaying as they sing 'We are the Champions, my friend!' It's arrogant and anti-social.

 

[Spionkop69]

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Jon Champion also takes his family to his local Beefeater every weekend and they all sit there with their arms up swaying as they sing 'We are the Champions, my friend!' It's arrogant and anti-social.
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Brilliant!!! That made me lol.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

Davies and Pleat would be perfect

 

[SaintGeorge67]

Honourable mention to sinstadt for my signature. Forget your Grays cutting over Tyler rudely against olympiacos, below was a proper European moment

 

[gareth_thomas]

I Hate it when Robbie Earle craps on about hoof ball and 'negative' football when he played for fucking wimbledon

 

[Asbo]

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[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37012.msg982543#msg982543 date=1257683556]
Trevor Francis is hilariously hopeless. Why they keep using him is a mystery. He thinks watching a replay and redescribing what you've just seen is 'analysis'.
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He is a fucking tool, i remember once we were playing a monday night game against a smaller team at home and he couldnt stop slating us even as we ran out 4 nil winners... tosser.
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I remember when Steve McManaman got the match ball for his hat-trick and he said 'One should have been an own goal, he doesn't deserve that ball!'

 

[Dreambeliever]

Alan Green is by far the best on radio.

Souness was shocking excellant at the world cup on Irish TV.

Giles wsa fantastic but has gone backwards as had Dunphy.

Once upon a time the two of those were excellant together.

Do people dislike Andy Gray that much?

I personally don't mind him at all.

 

[Judge Jules]

He doesn't wind me up as much as he does some others on here, because I don't see the issue as being all that important, but his bias against us is undeniable and I can understand him getting up people's noses that way. That jug-eared bluenose pr!ck Lineker on MOTD riles me more because he's sly about his bias, rather than up front about it like Gray, slipping in some last-minute snide remark just before a match is shown or the programme ends. I'd love to know whether Jocky's ever been tempted to lamp him one.

If I have a favourite it's probably someone whose original style I really used to hate, i.e.Jim Proudfoot on TalkSport. He took that station's rabble-rousing house style to the max and literally used to scream his way through commentaries at times. Now that he's not on so often, he's toned his approach down considerably and is a fluent and intelligent practitioner of the commentator's art. Alan Green can still make an idiot of himself by going off on one about something or other, but when he's not doing that there's no-one better at setting the scene and painting a vivid word-picture of what's happening in the game itself.

 

[gkmacca]

Carra's comments about Lineker in his book are quite telling. Not even the bluenoses like him.

 

[Squiggles]

Gray's a bit of a pantomime villain really.

He pisses me off at times and can get things completely, completely wrong and not see it. But he's opinionated and says what he sees, which I find preferable to many of the MOTD drones.

Good call on Marcel - I like him.

 

[the count]

I seem to recall that Niall Quinn was a decent pundit when on TV.
Not too much cliche ridden bullshit with a decent analysis of the game with, if I remember corectly, a soft spot for us.

 

[gkmacca]

Andy Townshend is incredibly poor for someone who's actually played the game. Today, for example, there was a tackle that could easily have broken an ankle and he went, 'Well done ref for letting that go!' But in recent times Craig Burley must be a candidate for the worst: he went through an entire season trying to sound like Gray, denounced refs no matter what they did and repeatedly called decisions wrong, saw the replays and then grudgingly reversed his opinion. He was all over the place.

 

[refugee]

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Andy Townshend is incredibly poor for someone who's actually played the game. Today, for example, there was a tackle that could easily have broken an ankle and he went, 'Well done ref for letting that go!'
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His tactics truck cracked me up, god knows who thought that was a good idea in the first place

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=37012.msg982662#msg982662 date=1257692589]
Gray's a bit of a pantomime villain really.

He pisses me off at times and can get things completely, completely wrong and not see it. But he's opinionated and says what he sees, which I find preferable to many of the MOTD drones.

Good call on Marcel - I like him.
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Desailly's probably the most improved of all of them. His first few forays into punditry used to get others in the studio looking at each other baffled. Now he's well worth a listen.

 

[keniget]

I like Gerry Armstrong who does the Spanish footy on Sky.

 

[Rory Fitzgerald]

Not in any order

Martin Tyler
Alan Green
Jon Champion
Clive Tyldsely
Graham Taylor
David Pleat

Cant stand Barry Davies or John Motson or Ian Darke.

 

[FoxForceFive]

Alan Green is featuring way higher than I thought.

He's too biased for me, even if it is towards us. He's nearly as bad as every single City FM commentator, who make tomkins seem objective.

 

[Rory Fitzgerald]

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=37012.msg982770#msg982770 date=1257701194]
Alan Green is featuring way higher than I thought.

He's too biased for me, even if it is towards us. He's nearly as bad as every single City FM commentator, who make tomkins seem objective.
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I like his opinionated approach rather than dull stat-based approach

 

[FoxForceFive]

Fair enough, & I agree his style is preferable, but he can be very rose-tinted glasses when talking about us.

 

[manwithnoname]

I don't like Alan Green, red or otherwise

 

[Avmenon]

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I like Gerry Armstrong who does the Spanish footy on Sky.
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Yeah, he is pretty good...quite fair too.

 

[Avmenon]

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=37012.msg982770#msg982770 date=1257701194]
Alan Green is featuring way higher than I thought.

He's too biased for me, even if it is towards us. He's nearly as bad as every single City FM commentator, who make tomkins seem objective.
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He is, but it is a nice change from most of the others who either seem to hate us or dislike us. 😉

 

[Judge Jules]

I don't agree with the accusations of pro-LFC bias from Alan Green, not in his commentaries anyway (though I have heard him teeter on the edge of it on his phone-in sometimes). Even Ferguson, who hates him, hasn't accused him of it, nor is he slow to hammer us when he thinks we deserve it.

 

[Oncy]

I forgot, i like Gab Marcotti too.

 

[gkmacca]

I like Green but he's an absolute child. He's behaved appallingly to Graham Taylor over the most trivial things - he's gone into a two MONTH-long sulk over some throwaway remark Taylor's made during a match and not spoken to him other than during a live match. Gent as he is, Taylor forgives him and moves on, but it's downright silly.