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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=39787.msg1090939#msg1090939 date=1271804072]
TBH, I'd take another leveraged buyout if it guaranteed funds for the stadium & players until the stadium is built.
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I have been at the wrong end of a leveraged buyout and that's not how it works. In fact, the seller usually strips out all the cash before the company is transferred to the new owner.

In a leveraged buyout, the buyer borrows the funds needed to pay for the company from a bank as a short-term loan at a fairly high rate of interest. Then when they have taken over the company, they arrange a secured loan to pay off the temporary loan mortgage all the property of the company they have just bought, down to the last paper clip. The secured loan is cheaper because of the level of security.

The result is that the buyer has used your own assets to buy you with. The leveraged buyout is only to pay the acquisition costs.
 
I doubt that fans would be totally happy with new owners in any way, unless it's fan membership model like for Madrid/Barcelona.
If it's a sugar daddy bailout, some will complain that it's not the Liverpool way.
If it's the large conglomerate route, one that's strictly run like a business, others will complain lack of soul, lack of transfer funds to bid for Messi, etc.
Ideally I hope for a fan membership. Maybe a new owner who can invest reasonable amount of funds (30mil??) per season for investment with little interference with on-field matters and no knobhead self-proclaimations.
But it's been so long that I believe fans would accept any of the bad scenarios for an EPL win. With winning, all is forgiven
 
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=39787.msg1090970#msg1090970 date=1271816441]
The Chinese are shrewd. They will not part with their own money.
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If any businessperson doesn't have to part with their own asset, they won't.

It's all getting a bit silly.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39787.msg1090976#msg1090976 date=1271820645]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=39787.msg1090970#msg1090970 date=1271816441]
The Chinese are shrewd. They will not part with their own money.
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If any businessperson doesn't have to part with their own asset, they won't.

It's all getting a bit silly.
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It is the financiers and ultimately the public (or the government when the bankers are too large to fail type) who will finance them and make them richer while we are the suckers.
 
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=39787.msg1090983#msg1090983 date=1271821875]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39787.msg1090976#msg1090976 date=1271820645]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=39787.msg1090970#msg1090970 date=1271816441]
The Chinese are shrewd. They will not part with their own money.
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If any businessperson doesn't have to part with their own asset, they won't.

It's all getting a bit silly.
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It is the financiers and ultimately the public (or the government when the bankers are too large to fail type) who will finance them and make them richer while we are the suckers.
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Words of wisdom. Words of, err, wisdom.
 
[quote author=etchy link=topic=39787.msg1090974#msg1090974 date=1271817751]
I doubt that fans would be totally happy with new owners in any way, unless it's fan membership model like for Madrid/Barcelona.
If it's a sugar daddy bailout, some will complain that it's not the Liverpool way.
If it's the large conglomerate route, one that's strictly run like a business, others will complain lack of soul, lack of transfer funds to bid for Messi, etc.
Ideally I hope for a fan membership. Maybe a new owner who can invest reasonable amount of funds (30mil??) per season for investment with little interference with on-field matters and no knobhead self-proclaimations.
But it's been so long that I believe fans would accept any of the bad scenarios for an EPL win. With winning, all is forgiven
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What we really need is a scouse billionare oil baron.

I dont know of any billionare liverpool fans from the city...That Redrow homes guy was only worth about 70 million if i recall correctly. Not enough these days.

Best option is a billionare Arabian prince who wants to use us as a plaything and loose bucket loads of cash in the process, as sad as that is.

If that fan share thing came about, well Id buy a share...I suppose its not going to loose too much value and just might go up...Would you have any say in goings on at the club via online votes, other than chairman selection? Id like to pick the next manager. Actually id like to pick the side too.
 
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=39787.msg1090987#msg1090987 date=1271824109]
What we really need is a scouse billionare oil baron.
I dont know of any billionare liverpool fans from the city...That Redrow homes guy was only worth about 70 million if i recall correctly. Not enough these days.Best option is a billionare Arabian prince who wants to use us as a plaything and loose bucket loads of cash in the process, as sad as that is.

If that fan share thing came about, well Id buy a share...I suppose its not going to loose too much value and just might go up...Would you have any say in goings on at the club via online votes, other than chairman selection? Id like to pick the next manager. Actually id like to pick the side too.
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There's something intrinsically disquieting about billionaires upgrading from thoroughbreds to human equivalents for their pleasure, no? As for Scouse billionaires, I have a fantasy that Fowler would chance upon an oil well whilst mowing his lawn. Betcha, he'll be a great fan owner. Drill, baby, drill.
I read something about attempts to get the fan thing going, but it seems to have fizzled out due to lack of interest, monies, etc. I wouldn't under-estimate the challenges of fan ownership model either. Imagine the dissenting voices with the myraid of opinions. See the yearly posturing and political fights when the chairman seat is up for renewal. Ntural extension of the beast.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39787.msg1090947#msg1090947 date=1271804897]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39787.msg1090931#msg1090931 date=1271802208]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39787.msg1090925#msg1090925 date=1271801296]
Having these Chinese in charge sounds akin to renouncing Satan for Lucifer.
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There's unlikely to be an ideal way out of the current situation, the worry is too many people want rid of the Yanks so bad that they won't look at the newcomers too closely. Thus repeating the same mistakes last time around.
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We've not got any say in the matter, so whether or not a mistake is made seems irrelevant.
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It's not beyond the realms of possibility that SOS will be dragged into this in some fashion, so that comment was made with them in mind.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39787.msg1090997#msg1090997 date=1271832032]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39787.msg1090947#msg1090947 date=1271804897]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39787.msg1090931#msg1090931 date=1271802208]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39787.msg1090925#msg1090925 date=1271801296]
Having these Chinese in charge sounds akin to renouncing Satan for Lucifer.
[/quote]

There's unlikely to be an ideal way out of the current situation, the worry is too many people want rid of the Yanks so bad that they won't look at the newcomers too closely. Thus repeating the same mistakes last time around.
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We've not got any say in the matter, so whether or not a mistake is made seems irrelevant.
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It's not beyond the realms of possibility that SOS will be dragged into this in some fashion, so that comment was made with them in mind.
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SOS won't require dragging anywhere, they will insert themselves, but they'll be just as irrelevant as they were during this last process, if not more so.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39787.msg1090863#msg1090863 date=1271795751]
These Chinese lot seem far too outspoken for my liking...
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Which usually means that any deal is dead in the water, i e the Prince.

It will most probably be a bid from the middle east that will be accepted, imho.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=39787.msg1091001#msg1091001 date=1271833949]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39787.msg1090863#msg1090863 date=1271795751]
These Chinese lot seem far too outspoken for my liking...
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Which usually means that any deal is dead in the water, i e the Prince.

It will most probably be a bid from the middle east that will be accepted, imho.
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When the Chinese deal, they don't talk. They will talk only when deal is done or they will not deal but milk the publicity only.
 
Which means that there isn't any deal in place. Broughton hasn't even gotten his chair warm, and there is a deal on the table ready to be signed? Nope, don't believe it.

They're only after publicity imho.
 
One point from the earlier article on Huang selling his stake in an NBA team because of some rule against owning other sports teams abroad - Doesn't Kroenke own the Nuggets ?
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39787.msg1090947#msg1090947 date=1271804897]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39787.msg1090931#msg1090931 date=1271802208]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39787.msg1090925#msg1090925 date=1271801296]
Having these Chinese in charge sounds akin to renouncing Satan for Lucifer.
[/quote]

There's unlikely to be an ideal way out of the current situation, the worry is too many people want rid of the Yanks so bad that they won't look at the newcomers too closely. Thus repeating the same mistakes last time around.
[/quote]

We've not got any say in the matter, so whether or not a mistake is made seems irrelevant.
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Exactly.

Whoever comes in where not likely to know what they have in mind to do with our club until they've been sitting in the directors box for a while.

I don't mind someone coming in with the aim to make some money from us, as long as they are able to build the new stadium and help us to progress on the field whilst it's getting done.

Is that too much to ask?
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39787.msg1091019#msg1091019 date=1271838208]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39787.msg1090947#msg1090947 date=1271804897]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39787.msg1090931#msg1090931 date=1271802208]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39787.msg1090925#msg1090925 date=1271801296]
Having these Chinese in charge sounds akin to renouncing Satan for Lucifer.
[/quote]

There's unlikely to be an ideal way out of the current situation, the worry is too many people want rid of the Yanks so bad that they won't look at the newcomers too closely. Thus repeating the same mistakes last time around.
[/quote]

We've not got any say in the matter, so whether or not a mistake is made seems irrelevant.
[/quote]

Exactly.

Whoever comes in where not likely to know what they have in mind to do with our club until they've been sitting in the directors box for a while.

I don't mind someone coming in with the aim to make some money from us, as long as they are able to build the new stadium and help us to progress on the field whilst it's getting done.

Is that too much to ask?
[/quote]

I'm not so sure.

Arsenal have done a similar thing recently and haven't won anything for 5 years with little investment in the squad (approx net zero spend) - and that's with Wenger at the helm, possibly the best there is at spending little whilst building a vibrant and healthy squad.

Unless we attract a sugar-daddy, I fear we might have to see the stadium build as most probably resulting in a rather barren period on the pitch. Play the long-game and all that.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39787.msg1090879#msg1090879 date=1271797737]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39787.msg1090676#msg1090676 date=1271770846]
Some serious money behind these lads.
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I remember a load of people saying the same about the Yanks.
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After reading what you've said about this lot, i take it you don't see them as suitable new owners then?
 
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=39787.msg1091028#msg1091028 date=1271839397]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39787.msg1091019#msg1091019 date=1271838208]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39787.msg1090947#msg1090947 date=1271804897]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39787.msg1090931#msg1090931 date=1271802208]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39787.msg1090925#msg1090925 date=1271801296]
Having these Chinese in charge sounds akin to renouncing Satan for Lucifer.
[/quote]

There's unlikely to be an ideal way out of the current situation, the worry is too many people want rid of the Yanks so bad that they won't look at the newcomers too closely. Thus repeating the same mistakes last time around.
[/quote]

We've not got any say in the matter, so whether or not a mistake is made seems irrelevant.
[/quote]

Exactly.

Whoever comes in where not likely to know what they have in mind to do with our club until they've been sitting in the directors box for a while.

I don't mind someone coming in with the aim to make some money from us, as long as they are able to build the new stadium and help us to progress on the field whilst it's getting done.

Is that too much to ask?
[/quote]

I'm not so sure.

Arsenal have done a similar thing recently and haven't won anything for 5 years with little investment in the squad (approx net zero spend) - and that's with Wenger at the helm, possibly the best there is at spending little whilst building a vibrant and healthy squad.

Unless we attract a sugar-daddy, I fear we might have to see the stadium build as most probably resulting in a rather barren period on the pitch. Play the long-game and all that.
[/quote]

You could well be right, and if that's what it takes I'd go for it, but the Arse have come quite close to winning stuff at times during that period. If we were making progress with the stadium AND in there pitching for honours the way the Arse have been, I'd be OK with that.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39787.msg1091030#msg1091030 date=1271839740]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=39787.msg1091028#msg1091028 date=1271839397]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39787.msg1091019#msg1091019 date=1271838208]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39787.msg1090947#msg1090947 date=1271804897]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39787.msg1090931#msg1090931 date=1271802208]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39787.msg1090925#msg1090925 date=1271801296]
Having these Chinese in charge sounds akin to renouncing Satan for Lucifer.
[/quote]

There's unlikely to be an ideal way out of the current situation, the worry is too many people want rid of the Yanks so bad that they won't look at the newcomers too closely. Thus repeating the same mistakes last time around.
[/quote]

We've not got any say in the matter, so whether or not a mistake is made seems irrelevant.
[/quote]

Exactly.

Whoever comes in where not likely to know what they have in mind to do with our club until they've been sitting in the directors box for a while.

I don't mind someone coming in with the aim to make some money from us, as long as they are able to build the new stadium and help us to progress on the field whilst it's getting done.

Is that too much to ask?
[/quote]

I'm not so sure.

Arsenal have done a similar thing recently and haven't won anything for 5 years with little investment in the squad (approx net zero spend) - and that's with Wenger at the helm, possibly the best there is at spending little whilst building a vibrant and healthy squad.

Unless we attract a sugar-daddy, I fear we might have to see the stadium build as most probably resulting in a rather barren period on the pitch. Play the long-game and all that.
[/quote]

You could well be right, and if that's what it takes I'd go for it, but the Arse have come quite close to winning stuff at times during that period. If we were making progress with the stadium AND in there pitching for honours the way the Arse have been, I'd be OK with that.
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Thing is, Arsenal embarked on the stadium build having spent years allowing Wenger to develop a tip-top youth set-up saturated with his football philosophy - seemingly any player stepping up to the first team fit seamlessly into his system. Plus his record at spotting young talent at modest fees is second to none.

Although Rafa has recently made efforts to revamp our youth/reserve structure, it's nowhere near as productive (yet) as Arsenal's was, plus Rafa's record with modest fee players is somewhat hit and miss.

I'd fear with little or no net spend available for a few years, we'd be very lucky to challenge for a top four place.
 
the yanks are cunts but I think they fully intended to build the stadium, as broughton said it would be crazy not to, that was THE best way to maximise profit, they were just hit hard by the credit crunch.
 
Agreed. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them, but I do think they've been unlucky as well.

Buddha, what you say is entirely possible of course. However, Rafa's admittedly patchy transfer record in the mid-to-lower price range may be a bit off the point here. It doesn't apply so much to younger players - he hasn't signed that many from outside the club, whereas if he'd had his druthers he would have signed both Ramsey and Diaby for a start (and, of course, look where they did end up).

The above assumes, for the sake of argument at least, Rafa remaining at the club. If he's replaced (and, unlike some others on here, I reckon there's a reasonable chance of that), it's likely to be either as a direct result of a change of ownership or, at least, at the same time as such a change. Either way, any new owner(s) will obv.want to maximise their return and I have some hope that they'll see the need for investment in the squad to that end.
 
Reading through similar threads on other forums, it seems that the rumours that are doing the rounds is that it's currently a runner between 3 parties.

1. Saudies ( The Saudi Prince)

2. The Sheik (Maktoum)

3. An interested party based in Adu Dhabi

Will be very interesting to see what happens.
 
Better that nothing. This thread is as excicting as watching Lucas starting attacking moves.
 
I can expand on what Hansern says. Apparently, they all have one thing in common - substantial wealth
 
Broughton was on SKY earlier today, saying that he expects the sale to be completed in a couple of months.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=39787.msg1091544#msg1091544 date=1271940561]
Broughton was on SKY earlier today, saying that he expects the sale to be completed in a couple of months.
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did he say 'a couple of months' or did a he say a few months
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=39787.msg1091544#msg1091544 date=1271940561]
Broughton was on SKY earlier today, saying that he expects the sale to be completed in a couple of months.
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So we've no idea who'll buy us but it will be in a few months?

Ok.
 
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