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The timing of the Suarez and Carroll signings didn't do us any favours at all. Torres left and we had money burning a hole in our pocket and ended up over paying for Andy. We all know this! I can see why Kenny wanted him. Big, strong, mobile (yes he can move), age on his side and it didn't harm at all that he was English. I presume Kenny had visions of Andy spear heading our attack with players running off him. A brute force who would provide us with another option.

On the same day we bought Luis Suarez. We didn't really know what to expect form Suarez. We had youtube vids, the odd Ajax game and the World Cup to go on but the fear was always there as you never know how players from the dutch league will adapt here. We're we getting a RVN (for example) or an Alfonso Alves. Now, we all know Suarez took to the league like a duck to water and suddenly the Carroll signing made less sense. Where did he fit in? Suarez was a breath of fresh air the ball was kept on the deck and our pass and move game (Maxi and Raul being instrumental) flourished. I don't think anyone (even Kenny) expected Suarez to be as good as he turned out to be. I can understand why we bought both at the time (A gamble on Suarez alone to replace Torres was risky) but if we had known how excellent Suarez would be then we could of held off buying Carroll. If Kenny still wanted him we could have come back in for him in the summer for a deflated price than we paid obviously. Or use the money to buy players to accommodate Suarez as it looks like Kenny chased players to suit Andy all summer, yet isn't playing him.

Kenny needs to decide what he wants and what system (I hate to use that word) he wan't to deploy. Are we going for the sweeping football (ala Fulham away last season) or going back to basics with wingers and a big man in the box. Kenny seems to be jumbling up both idea's at the same time and it's frustrating. Carroll on, wingers off for example.

It is fair to say it was unfortunate timing that both of them arrived to the club at the same? It's easy say that in hindsight I know.
 
i think u have hit the nail on the head- either way kenny needs to decide how we want to play and stick with it
 
We were looking at Suarez for months. He was never a Torres replacement. And I doubt some 'youtube vids, the odd Ajax game and the World Cup' was all the scouts, Kenny and Comolli had to go on.
Andy was a panic buy - probably shouldn't have been made at the time. Suarez we always wanted.
 
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We were looking at Suarez for months. He was never a Torres replacement. And I doubt some 'youtube vids, the odd Ajax game and the World Cup' was all the scouts, Kenny and Comolli had to go on.
Andy was a panic buy - probably shouldn't have been made at the time. Suarez we always wanted.
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That is what we as fan's had to judge him on. Obviously our scouting network had the opportunity to see him live.
I didn't expect him to be this good did you? He's probably worth double in this market than what we paid for him.

Andy was a panic buy and we rushed into it because we didn't expect Suarez (who, yes, we did want) to be a world beater.
 
Also I never said Suarez was bought to replace Torres but when Torres left it would have been risky to just have Suarez as our sole firepower. There would have been alot of pressure on him to deliver straight away. Andy was bought to help carry the load but Suarez hit the ground running (Im sure many had some doubts that he'd deliver right away).
 
I like Suarez as a player, exciting little player, scored loads of goals for Ajax but the problem is he isn't doing it here. Kuyt came from the Dutch league and didn't score as many as we expect him to score and some of the muppets here complaint. But the question is we don't spent 23mil on Kuyt.
 
Glock, you've totally missed the point of my thread.

*Cue, don't tell me i've missed the point, the point is ...... bla bla bla zzzzzzzzzz*
 
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I like Suarez as a player, exciting little player, scored loads of goals for Ajax but the problem is he isn't doing it here.
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Fuck me pink. The most blatant proof of either you being the stupidest poster in the history of posters OR just a massive WUM.
 
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[quote author=The_Rule link=topic=47274.msg1416155#msg1416155 date=1319438084]
I like Suarez as a player, exciting little player, scored loads of goals for Ajax but the problem is he isn't doing it here.
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Fuck me pink. The most blatant proof of either you being the stupidest poster in the history of posters OR just a massive WUM.
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He totally missed the point of the thread. Baffling.
 
Oh that too Keni.

But it is fair to say no one expected Suarez to make such an immediate impact. It would have been a gamble to expect Suarez to replace Torres straight away. I think this forced Kennys hand into signing Andy aswel.
 
Similar to what I just said in that Downing thread; it's who Carroll could have been that kills me. We lost the best number 9 in the world and replaced him with someone from the Championship.

Instead of having another 20-30 goal a season striker and someone who can win matches on his own all year long, we're left with someone the manager barely even brings off the bench 9 months after paying 35 million pounds for him.

Fuck me.
 
I've said this a number of times, and I'm more convinced of it than ever given Henry's interview with David Conn recently, we bought Carroll simply because the owners felt we had to spend that money immediately so they weren't starting out being compared to Hicks and Gillett.

We were linked to all sorts of strikers in the last couple of days of the transfer window and I'm willing to bet that Carroll was the only one we could get.
 
I am not sure that Carroll was quite the last minute panic buy that people are saying, though it is well possible that he wasn't at the top of our wish list.
Realistically Kenny and Comolli knew that Torres was off for at least the last week of the transfer window giving them enough time to make a move for their targets.
I wonder did Kenny think that Andy could duplicate the role that Forlan plays for Uruguay and have Suarez buzzing in around him forming a partnership that would lead to more goals that Torres made on his own.
 
I thought it was well known (as in Kenny came out and said it) that the plan was to buy Carroll in the summer, however the Torres move forced them to bite earlier. I think it would have been better for everyone if he had joined in the summer. I don't think the injury ravaged start did his confidence any good, a few more moneys firing them in for Newcastle would have done.
 
I would like to see Carrol given a few starts maybe even ahead of Suarez..The thing with the Fulham game was we had Maxi and Meirelles both going or not playing has meant that we are not playing that type of football anymore and dont have the personell to do so.
 
Who he was 'replacing', his responsibility, his price tag, his history - both physical and behavioral wise doesn't make things any easier. Panic buy or not, 35m with a sell on clause is a shocking deal. His current 'predicament' is similar to the Torres issue in some way, isn't it? I.e. the 'only' way to come out of it is to get games under his belt.
 
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Who he was 'replacing', his responsibility, his price tag, his history - both physical and behavioral wise doesn't make things any easier. Panic buy or not, 35m with a sell on clause is a shocking deal. His current 'predicament' is similar to the Torres issue in some way, isn't it? I.e. the 'only' way to come out of it is to get games under his belt.
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jesus, i'd forgotten about that! i remember being incredulous about it at the time: £35m AND a fucking sell on clause! unbelievable.

sorry, but i've pretty much decided now: this was clearly the worst piece of transfer business in our entire history.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47274.msg1416378#msg1416378 date=1319460247]
jesus, i'd forgotten about that! i remember being incredulous about it at the time: £35m AND a fucking sell on clause! unbelievable.

sorry, but i've pretty much decided now: this was clearly the worst piece of transfer business in our entire history.
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Regardless of how world class he might turn out to be, the figure involved and the issues he had/was facing - as well as the clubs standing at that moment, it was an obvious gamble. It seemed more like hoping to strike lottery than moving in because we had the confidence in him or like him THAT much.

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What "sell on clause" ?
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Reportedly 25% sell on clause.
 
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=47274.msg1416366#msg1416366 date=1319458918]
I would like to see Carrol given a few starts maybe even ahead of Suarez..The thing with the Fulham game was we had Maxi and Meirelles both going or not playing has meant that we are not playing that type of football anymore and dont have the personell to do so.
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You're insane. Suarez is our best player. By a country mile.
 
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=47274.msg1416404#msg1416404 date=1319462335]
No one will care...whats 25% of 2.5 million?
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Ha.

This deal is like getting bummed by the Harlem Globetrotters and, just before the last bloke finishes, finding out they've just signed King Dong.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47274.msg1416297#msg1416297 date=1319450566]
I've said this a number of times, and I'm more convinced of it than ever given Henry's interview with David Conn recently, we bought Carroll simply because the owners felt we had to spend that money immediately so they weren't starting out being compared to Hicks and Gillett.

We were linked to all sorts of strikers in the last couple of days of the transfer window and I'm willing to bet that Carroll was the only one we could get.
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That's exactly how I feel as well.
 
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