Backroom Shake Up.. Marsh & Pascoe gone.. More to come..

[Hansern]

Jones from the Echo saying that the new staff will be hired by FSG as they want more experience.
Could this be yet another mistake if they hire someone thst Rodgers cant work with 100%.
Lets hope this search for new staff is something they're discussing and can agree on who it should be.

 

[Nir.Barak]

Jones from the Echo saying that the new staff will be hired by FSG as they want more experience.
Could this be yet another mistake if they hire someone thst Rodgers cant work with 100%.
Lets hope this search for new staff is something they're discussing and can agree on who it should be.

We should have a staff committee!

 

[Judge Jules]

Jones from the Echo saying that the new staff will be hired by FSG as they want more experience.
Could this be yet another mistake if they hire someone thst Rodgers cant work with 100%.
Lets hope this search for new staff is something they're discussing and can agree on who it should be.

I'm not sure FSG will mind whether Rodgers can work with the people they choose. If he can, all well and good. If he can't, he'll be replaced.

 

[gkmacca]

It's a bit late to clip his wings, seeing as just about every appointment at all levels now is a Rodgers appointment (including my own particular choice as a poor appointment, Neil Critchley at under 18s level).

 

[Judge Jules]

Well, we don't yet know how extensive this night of the long knives will prove to be.

 

[leftpeg]

There was no patronising tone at all. I really don't know what your problem is but you do this every now and again - start arguing, make the same point over and over again (not stated as opinion, incidentally, but rather as fact), then claim that people object to you having an opinion. If you read back through this exchange there's only one person being even slightly patronising and that's you.

Absolutely not the case. I've never once claimed to be stating a fact because I don't have any...only opinions. You are, as far as I can see, the only person claiming to have inside knowledge of facts and you only announced that after seemingly becoming exasperated at me expressing a different opinion to yours. Put me on ignore mate, I know that's worked well for you in the past.

 

[gkmacca]

I think you have a chemical imbalance. Either that or you're being deliberately disingenuous. I'm confident most on here will read back and see what was really going on. Stop commenting on my posts and give me and everyone else a rest. This must be the fourth time you've gone through this tiresome routine and I'm sick of it.

 

[leftpeg]

Seriously Macca, calm down because this is turning weird.

 

[FoxForceFive]

I think you both best just leave it there please gents.

This isn't like watching your parents argue, but kinda like your uncles scrapping at a wedding reception!

 

[peterhague]

It's a bit late to clip his wings, seeing as just about every appointment at all levels now is a Rodgers appointment (including my own particular choice as a poor appointment, Neil Critchley at under 18s level).

It was particularly negligent to let him start making changes to the youth setup. That was something that's always likely to be more important than any individual manager, and what's worse, was finally starting to produce results after a painstaking restructuring.

What a waste.

 

[gkmacca]

Yes. It just feels like it's taken FSG three years to get the set up that they wanted and Rodgers didn't. It would surely have been better to have done it the other way round: start him with little power and then extend the scope of his job as and when he impressed. That's not even a glib comment with the benefit of hindsight, I think many of us were suggesting that when he came!

 

[mark1975]

Well, I don't see the "Echo" except for the snippets posted on this site, but tbh, mark, once you get past the headline that article reads to me as fairly complimentary towards what the owners have now done. The main target of any criticism in the article seems to be Rodgers himself.

Sorry that's what I meant, though they have been critical towards the club lately too, but been they've pretty cold towards Rodgers for a while now.

 

[davud graham]

The problem i have with FSG supposedly choosing the backroom staff is who makes the decisions as we all know they have very limited football experience. who is making the recommendations?
I personally don't have a problem with them getting rid of Pascoe and Marsh as i've not heard anything positive about them from players ,fans or the media. With good coaches the word usually gets around (as it did with Clarke) and it's been particularly quiet regarding them two but that doesn't mean i'm confident that the replacements will be any better.
I really hope they are making REAL changes to how the coaching setup operates because is surely needs it. If they are going to keep Rodgers as it seems they are then he needs all the help he can get and even if that means forcing the help on him. Experienced heads to advise and assist could be invaluable. I would prefer ex players if possible but would certainly accept people who hadn't previously been at the club if they have had success somewhere else.
I don't want coaching potential but coaching expertise.

 

[mark1975]

Quite, there's no point going from having two guys with minimal top level experience, to throwing in two rookies reliant on past links to the club. I love the romanticism of bringing in Hyypia or Carragher in some capacity, but I'd jump at the chance to have someone on a par with Clarke or Pako.

 

[gkmacca]

It gets odder every time I think about it. Rodgers is an holistic kind of coach. I'm not saying he's good or bad, but his approach is holistic. Now, you can add a new coach who basically agrees with Rodgers, but that undermines sacking Pascoe in the first place (what progress are you seeking - someone who brings out the cones more promptly?). Or you can bring in a coach who agrees with some things Rodgers believes in, but disagrees with others, but that fails to understand what holistic actually means. Rodgers' approach just isn't constructed to have a few alien ideas inserted here and there. It's all or nothing. So if you don't like bits of it, then for god's sake shake his hand and let him go because it's best for both parties.

 

[keniget]

Is there no chance that Rodgers will open himself up a bit more to working with others?

He must realize that very few clubs, particularly outside of England, will afford him total control, so perhaps it's time to get on board with that way of working.

 

[mark1975]

Is there no chance that Rodgers will open himself up a bit more to working with others?

He must realize that very few clubs, particularly outside of England, will afford him total control, so perhaps it's time to get on board with that way of working.

Well this is it, we're all of the assumption that he can't and won't, we were saying last season he was stubborn, maybe this will push him over the hurdle and make him see his blind spots.

As Macca says, maybe it won't, maybe it's already dead in the water, but there's always the possibility that it will work all round. It's kind of bold of the owners to realise that he has, at his best, had us playing some really good football. We all know ours and his shortcomings, so if we can help/force that to be rectified, then who knows what might happen.

 

[gkmacca]

Is there no chance that Rodgers will open himself up a bit more to working with others?

He must realize that very few clubs, particularly outside of England, will afford him total control, so perhaps it's time to get on board with that way of working.

Well actually few coaches do work in that way. Steve Clarke doesn't. Steve McLaren doesn't. Pulis doesn't. Wenger doesn't. It's not normally a problem because the coach is the coach and the manager's the manager, so if you don't like how one coach works you get another. It's only a problem when the coach is also the manager and people question his coaching.

 

[keniget]

If Rodgers is really all about the coaching and intent on dazzling the football world with his tactics and what not, it would seem that a DOF setup is by far the best option. It would alleviate the pressure in terms of all managerial shit and allow him to focus fully on coaching (sorry, "educating") the players.

I don't know know much about Rodgers or what's going on at the club these days but if any of this stuff is true about him then he needs better people above him rather than under him (if he's seen as worth keeping).

Very odd.

 

[Insignificance]

Very odd.

Well we are Liverpool FC. The soccer branch of FSG.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm hoping this is a cunning plan to slowly twist the knife, erode Rodgers' optimism and force his hand to feel he's working under unacceptable conditions.



And then I'll wake up first game of the season, turn on the telly and see his gurny smile in our dugout as he uses charades to instruct Benteke how to play at left back.

 

[Rosco]

I'm not sure FSG will mind whether Rodgers can work with the people they choose. If he can, all well and good. If he can't, he'll be replaced.

That's pretty much how i see it.

If you go back to the start of the Rodgers reign I thought it was a climb down by FSG to allow him to work without a DOF and bring his own coaching staff - it's pretty much the opposite of how I thought they'd run the club based on how they'd done things in Boston.

In Boston they tried to hire the best staff they could find in every spot, and the end result was that when a manager or GM left they were able to promote from within due to the quality of people there - I expected that's what would happen with us and it was why I was confident we'd ultimately succeed.

However it's clear in order to get Rodgers they had to compromise their ideals - they did. He's here, his way hasn'ted work and they have taken the leverage he's given them to implement a DOF by committee last year and now a new coaching staff on him. I still feel a DOF and Head Coach model is the best way forward because the job is simply too big for one man. The vision comes from the top, the DOF builds the squad & sources the players, the manager is the guy that puts it together on the pitch.

I don't get the impression Rodgers threw his staff under the bus, it just seems like FSG gave Rodgers the chance to do it his way. It's not working so now he has to do it their way.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That's pretty much how i see it.

If you go back to the start of the Rodgers reign I thought it was a climb down by FSG to allow him to work without a DOF and bring his own coaching staff - it's pretty much the opposite of how I thought they'd run the club based on how they'd done things in Boston.

In Boston they tried to hire the best staff they could find in every spot, and the end result was that when a manager or GM left they were able to promote from within due to the quality of people there - I expected that's what would happen with us and it was why I was confident we'd ultimately succeed.

However it's clear in order to get Rodgers they had to compromise their ideals - they did. He's here, his way hasn'ted work and they have taken the leverage he's given them to implement a DOF by committee last year and now a new coaching staff on him. I still feel a DOF and Head Coach model is the best way forward because the job is simply too big for one man. The vision comes from the top, the DOF builds the squad & sources the players, the manager is the guy that puts it together on the pitch.

I don't get the impression Rodgers threw his staff under the bus, it just seems like FSG gave Rodgers the chance to do it his way. It's not working so now he has to do it their way.

Which makes you think what they saw him in the first place.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

I'm hoping this is a cunning plan to slowly twist the knife, erode Rodgers' optimism and force his hand to feel he's working under unacceptable conditions.



And then I'll wake up first game of the season, turn on the telly and see his gurny smile in our dugout as he uses charades to instruct Benteke how to play at left back.

BEnteke will be at Chelsea - so it will probably have to be Sterling!

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Chelsea buy Benteke?

It's too late for April Fool

 

[Fabio]

Chelsea buy Benteke?

It's too late for April Fool

I like how since he was persistently linked to us, Chelsea, arsenal and United, are apparently interested

 

[gkmacca]

There were some on RAWK who actually took seriously the 'leaving by mutual consent' angle. So I couldn't resist pointing out that phrase was also used when Rafa was sacked. Now they suddenly seem to doubt the phrase!

 

[gkmacca]

Ian Doyle: Why FSG will want Brendan Rodgers to stop clubs mocking Liverpool FC

10:00, 7 JUNE 2015 BY IAN DOYLE

Champions League football yet again the key to long-term future for Reds

As he sat down with Liverpool chairman Tom Werner and Fenway Sports Group president Mike Gordon, Brendan Rodgers was no doubt braced for it.

The two-word phrase that will determine his future at Anfield.

The two-word phrase that’s determined the future of almost every Reds manager during that past two decades.

Champions League.

Ever since the revamp of the European Cup unlocked a treasure chest of financial riches, qualification has become the bare minimum for any successful team.

As Liverpool have discovered too often in recent years, being out of the Champions League can render a team invisible. And, it seems, a bit of a joke.

Only last week, Lyon president Jean-Michael Aulas, on hearing the Reds were reportedly interested in his club’s striker Alexandre Lacazette, said: “Liverpool have not called and which European Cup do they play in?”.

Being taunted by a team who have only four times reached the quarter-finals of the competition in their history (compared to Liverpool lifting the trophy five times) would have made any Reds fan shuffle uneasily in their seat.

So too FSG. They want to be taken seriously as football club owners, and the best way to improve their stock is with regular Champions League qualification.

As expected, there was no appetite for a change of manager despite such a disappointing season.

But FSG couldn’t be seen to do nothing. So Rodgers has had to accept the axing of backroom staff Colin Pascoe and Mike Marsh, departures which have a potential for leaving him exposed, especially if the owners bring in their own chosen replacements.

An interesting aspect to emerge from the meeting was the assertion there would be no review of Liverpool’s recruitment policy.

This places further pressure on Rodgers. Signings, especially those who failed having been brought in last summer, are seemingly seen as his players, his choices.

FSG appear to be saying to the Reds boss “well, we did everything right – you clearly picked the wrong players and then didn’t develop them”.

It probably isn’t quite as black and white as that, the infamous transfer committee providing a significant grey area in terms of who does what in terms of recruitment.

What’s almost certainly crystal clear, though, is another season without Champions League football won’t be accepted.

With Anfield’s new Main Stand due for completion at the start of the 2016-17 season, FSG will have an impressive statement of investment and intent in the club.

They’ll want to show it off in front of the bright lights and cameras of Europe’s elite competition.

Otherwise, Rodgers will probably be hearing another two-word phrase at his next end-of-season review.

 

[jexykrodic]

This business of removing BR's picks for assistants and getting in your own is a long winded way of sacking him isn't it?

 

[mark1975]

There were some on RAWK who actually took seriously the 'leaving by mutual consent' angle. So I couldn't resist pointing out that phrase was also used when Rafa was sacked. Now they suddenly seem to doubt the phrase!

I'm surprised they didn't blame the phrase on Carragher.