Arsenal v Liverpool - Match Thread
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Origi does not believe he belongs in a PL winning team. He looks embarrassed that he's there.
Salah, VVD, and Firm are at the parade already. Didn't really notice Gini or Ox much.
Thought the team lacked a captain to light a fire beneath their collective arse.
Keita was a game changer, and Minamino pretty bright too. Fullbacks getting back to form.
Salah, VVD, and Firm are at the parade already. Didn't really notice Gini or Ox much.
Thought the team lacked a captain to light a fire beneath their collective arse.
Keita was a game changer, and Minamino pretty bright too. Fullbacks getting back to form.
He's not as great as people thought he was.
Salah, like alot of players, is a bit streaky in terms of his goals but he has far more good days than bad. I dont think Id put him in the same category as Bobby.
Firmino hasnt scored a league goal since January. The other two have covered for him this season and thats my main concern, he looks like a classic case of a player who has peaked and his output is now tapering off.
2018 - 15 goals 7 assists
2919 - 12 goals 7 assists
2020 - 8 goals 7 assists
We should be looking at replacing him now, not next summer.
This! Van Dijk is good when he's bothered, and stink up the place to high heavens when he isn't. That should not be the way a captain behaves. If Milner is fit, he should be ahead of Van Dijk with the armband. The Dutch giant isn't ready to be the captain until he show us he is not thinking that he is untouchable. Both goals resulted from his lacklustre performance and letting his marker go expecting others to clean up his mess. The first one was him throwing his arm up demanding a call from the ref! Has he not learnt that he is playing for Liverpool FC and as a defender to boot?
Everyone in every board calling out Salah and Firmino, but only a couple calling out Van Dijk, why is that? I must say, since we've won the league title, Van Dijk is the biggest culprit to our bad results. We should try and get Koulibaly, not only will we also deny our rivals a sold defender, he will give competition to Van Dijk as well as the rest of the centre halves!
Milner is vice-captain so he's ahead of Van Dijk
Saying "don't tell me" doesn't magically mean those are not a massive, in fact the major, factors. There is plenty of evidence of teams easing off after winning the league with a lot of games to go - no one could accuse Souness of not being a winner, but listen to what he says about the impact - and he said it before the match as well as after. Granted, there is no historic evidence of the impact of a long break in the middle of the season, but I think it must be a factor.
We are champions, we won it with a record number of games to spare, no-one could touch us over the season; to get wound up over bad results in a few dead rubbers at the end of the season is to effectively dismiss the previous 31 matches in which we were largely imperious
Or are we just using that as an excuse to cover up the fact there is clearly something missing from the team/squad? We won't know until next season but I can't remember a championship winning team ever failing to significantly strengthen, this will now be over two seasons, never mind just after they have won the title. United's dynasty (and City's strength over the past few seasons) was/has been based on continual strengthening. So are we ripping up the blueprint and taking a serious gamble (though some may say that also applies to spending at this volatile time)? It would seem we are.
Please tell me that this was said in jest.
150 games, 94 goals and 40 assists.
If anything, he doesnt get the credit he deserve for his time with us so far.
Only two years ago, City chasing the points record, won 4 of their remaining 5 games after winning the League...
Swansea at home 5-0
West Ham away 4-1
Brighton at home 3-1
Southampton away 1-0
(Goalless draw with Huddersfield at home in the middle of all that).
The season being cut short and the extended break thing doesn't really wash either. We looked off the pace for at least half a dozen games before the Football was stopped as shown by a few of the performances/results. Could argue the break was a blessing in disguise for us albeit it certainly wasn't in the circumstances we wanted and it did go on a bit too long... notwithstanding everyone's health is the most important thing.
I'm as buzzing as anyone we've won the League. Klopp and this current squad of players will go down in the history books, they've been absolutely brilliant and nothing will take the shine off their achievements, but simultaneously we can also have some ligitimate concerns going forwards ie questioning whether this current crop can go again as they are and hit the same levels or if we need a few reinforcements. Don't see the issue with that viewpoint.
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We looked a bit rusty against Everton away which was understandable, but its easy to forget that the only game we really needed to win after that was the Palace game at home. That performance was maybe the best we've had this season, smashing them for 90 mins. They didnt even have a touch in our 16 yard box all game.
Then we win the league, celebrate and now we've been a bit meh. Which was in all honesty bound to happen.
Winning the CL, Super cup, Premier league and World club cup in the last 13 months gives these players the right to earn some respect and slack, same with Klopp.
I hate losing but we're about to lift the Premier league trophy for the first time in 30 years. Enjoy it. If not now, when the hell can you?!
Crying about a points record. Do you honestly think any of the players give a shite about getting the most points? I highly doubt it. It means fuck all.
We've been craving titles and trophies. Well, now we're the team that everyone wants to be, need to catch and envy the celebrations. Enjoy it. As we all know, things can shift pretty quickly again.
Now, there is a healthy discussion in looking at what we need going forward. This team needs some new blood. Certain players have done just about as much as they can in the previous campains and we need to freshen up the squad. Adding some quality and moving on those that dont warrant a place in the squad anymore.
Thats worthy of a good thread, some quality discussion and balanced views. But t
Then we win the league, celebrate and now we've been a bit meh. Which was in all honesty bound to happen.
Winning the CL, Super cup, Premier league and World club cup in the last 13 months gives these players the right to earn some respect and slack, same with Klopp.
I hate losing but we're about to lift the Premier league trophy for the first time in 30 years. Enjoy it. If not now, when the hell can you?!
Crying about a points record. Do you honestly think any of the players give a shite about getting the most points? I highly doubt it. It means fuck all.
We've been craving titles and trophies. Well, now we're the team that everyone wants to be, need to catch and envy the celebrations. Enjoy it. As we all know, things can shift pretty quickly again.
Now, there is a healthy discussion in looking at what we need going forward. This team needs some new blood. Certain players have done just about as much as they can in the previous campains and we need to freshen up the squad. Adding some quality and moving on those that dont warrant a place in the squad anymore.
Thats worthy of a good thread, some quality discussion and balanced views. But t
[bcolor=#fdfbf8]he season has now lasted for more than a year and Arsenal was our 60th game of the season, 60th, and I think every player just wants to get through the last few games and celebrate, and then go again after a break. Can you imagine how fucking drained and tired they are? If not physically then certainly mentally. [/bcolor]
[bcolor=#fdfbf8]So all this reading everything in to the last few meh performances about where this team is in terms of quality, pride or which position we are in going forward. Please. It doesnt.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=#fdfbf8]So all this reading everything in to the last few meh performances about where this team is in terms of quality, pride or which position we are in going forward. Please. It doesnt.[/bcolor]
Will look at this properly later. There is a positive here that outside of the two mistakes they only had 1 other shot - but that comes down to circumstance and not needing to attack.
We have no intensity - maybe we would find it if we played players with a point to prove e.g. Shaqiri, Origi, Jones, Elliot, Keita etc. This is the perfect time to make mistakes and have games where we can't finish opponents, but we need to snap out of the funk.
I don't see how we can go into a third season in a row with the same squad - we are very predictable.
We have no intensity - maybe we would find it if we played players with a point to prove e.g. Shaqiri, Origi, Jones, Elliot, Keita etc. This is the perfect time to make mistakes and have games where we can't finish opponents, but we need to snap out of the funk.
I don't see how we can go into a third season in a row with the same squad - we are very predictable.
I dont think we are predictable. If we are, what does that say about the rest of the league after we just walked the whole thing winning it with 20 odd points.
The lack of intensity is also understandable. That dropped off after the Palace game, when we had won the league. Along with our concentration.
Under different circumstances we would have beaten Burnley and Arsenal, no doubt. And we wouldnt have lost 4-0 to City.
This team definetly needs some fresh blood and some new ideas. Competition for Robbo, some more creativity and goals outlet upfront.
Thats just a healthy change of personell and strategy going forward. Staying ahead and improving.
The lack of intensity is also understandable. That dropped off after the Palace game, when we had won the league. Along with our concentration.
Under different circumstances we would have beaten Burnley and Arsenal, no doubt. And we wouldnt have lost 4-0 to City.
This team definetly needs some fresh blood and some new ideas. Competition for Robbo, some more creativity and goals outlet upfront.
Thats just a healthy change of personell and strategy going forward. Staying ahead and improving.
I'm sure it's quite natural to take your foot off the gas after winning the league, a load of pros have reported it's happened to them. But Klopp must be fuming, the level of half arsedness from so many of the players.
In the real Madrid game the other night, they had on their bench Bale, Hazard, Asensio, Vinicius, Rodygo. To come on and win a game for them when it's not going to plan. We've got Origi, Shaq and fucking Minamino. We've got no depth, we've got a first 11 and that's it, which means the first 11 are going to get burnt out and we've got fuck all to change a game if it's not working for them.
Klopp is surely aware of this, he tried to get Pepe, the club pulled out, he tried to get Werner, the club pulled out.
In the real Madrid game the other night, they had on their bench Bale, Hazard, Asensio, Vinicius, Rodygo. To come on and win a game for them when it's not going to plan. We've got Origi, Shaq and fucking Minamino. We've got no depth, we've got a first 11 and that's it, which means the first 11 are going to get burnt out and we've got fuck all to change a game if it's not working for them.
Klopp is surely aware of this, he tried to get Pepe, the club pulled out, he tried to get Werner, the club pulled out.
I think the City thing was the exception rather than the norm (you could add the Arsenal invincible season as another one in that line), it could be down to the playing style, the individual psychologies or the target of being the very first to achieve 100pts/invincible ... who knows. Souness has pointed out how performances typically dip once the title is won, and rat face has said similar from his experiences. In particular for the style of play we have, a very small drop off can have a significant impact.
So, I'm not worrying about it yet; I'm also not getting wound up over the transfer situation as, at the moment, only Chelsea are really doing anything. People on here were saying similar things 12 months ago when we failed to capitalise on a position of strength, and questioned whether the current crop of players could go again ...
I also find it weird that people are giving up on Minamino after 6 months. He's still adapting, and his performances for Salzburg were so insanely good that I'll give him more time to prove how he could add something to this team. And Klopp and Edwards know what they're doing.
I think Minamino will be a great pick up - but he isn't the pacey wide forward we need. Two more games to get through and then the squad can come back recharged and ready to start again next season.
All eyes on the Trophy celebration next week, ideally after a nice win over Chelsea.
All eyes on the Trophy celebration next week, ideally after a nice win over Chelsea.
Sometimes the excuses here annoy me more than the team. Like every time we don't manage to achieve something there's always a fantastic excuse ready to be thrown out in order to minimise the feat.
* We get embarrassed by Watford. "Well, were still unbeaten at home and who cares about losing one game or going the entire season unbeaten".
* Knocked out by Athletico. "Who cares about CL, we won it last year, it's the league this time around".
* Crushed 4-0 by City. "Who cares about City, we won the league, yada yada oil money, yada yada partying all night, yada yada unlucky"
* Lose against Arsenal. "So, what? Who cares about the points record? No one does. We won the league. I'm happy being the best loosers in Premier League history with 97 points. Souness said yada yada yada".
Talk about polishing a turd.
It's shite not being in the CL.
It's shite not being in the FA cup.
It's shite not signing Werner.
It's shite not being unbeaten in the league.
It's shite not keeping the winning record at Anfield.
And it was absolutely shite getting fucking beaten by Arsenal even if it was at the empty Emirates.
I should have done what I said earlier and retired as a fan after the league title was won.
* We get embarrassed by Watford. "Well, were still unbeaten at home and who cares about losing one game or going the entire season unbeaten".
* Knocked out by Athletico. "Who cares about CL, we won it last year, it's the league this time around".
* Crushed 4-0 by City. "Who cares about City, we won the league, yada yada oil money, yada yada partying all night, yada yada unlucky"
* Lose against Arsenal. "So, what? Who cares about the points record? No one does. We won the league. I'm happy being the best loosers in Premier League history with 97 points. Souness said yada yada yada".
Talk about polishing a turd.
It's shite not being in the CL.
It's shite not being in the FA cup.
It's shite not signing Werner.
It's shite not being unbeaten in the league.
It's shite not keeping the winning record at Anfield.
And it was absolutely shite getting fucking beaten by Arsenal even if it was at the empty Emirates.
I should have done what I said earlier and retired as a fan after the league title was won.
Wow! Winning the league is equivalent to polishing a turd now.
Oh, I get to watch Salzburg a lot. But insanely good is a totally different drawer. Lots of people here are still flabbergasted that we signed him, to be honest.
Excuses or realising it's not the end of the world ? How fucking retarded have you got to be , after a league defeat at the end of the title winning season( which you won weeks ago , at a record setting rate ) to not be like , ah well and be able to pick out some positives ?
No, but we gifted the absolute biggest self-entitled deluded bunch of fuckwits something to gloat about. Well done.
He was against us, and in the other CL matches I saw. And again, Klopp and Edwards along with the comments from his previous manager. If it doesnt work out, he didnt cost us much regardless.
But he gets more than 6 months.
high standards ... i assume everyone is worried the last 7 games, and not the last 69, are how we'll be next season one way or another.
Hopefully, they're wrong ...
The fucking whinging on here is unbelievable. It’s like winning the lottery 6 weeks ago and bitching Jim the plumber next door earned more than you in last month.
It's fucking amazing really.
If they want to gloat about coming in 9th or 8th and maybe getting into the Europa League, well, good for them.
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