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[quote author=Lewy link=topic=44755.msg1373389#msg1373389 date=1312232480]
hate to say it but kennys just wrong (if he doesnt want aqua), i dont think we'll see pass and move with him this season at all
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If the King doesn't want Aquilani I'll bet it's not for footballing reasons, so I don't think the bolded bit follows in any way.
hate to say it but kennys just wrong (if he doesnt want aqua), i dont think we'll see pass and move with him this season at all
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If the King doesn't want Aquilani I'll bet it's not for footballing reasons, so I don't think the bolded bit follows in any way.
Kenny Dalglish wont have us playing pass & move football?
Yeah, I agree actually, & I'm equally sure he'll declare his love for Everton & Rangers in the Sunderland post match interview too.
Yeah, I agree actually, & I'm equally sure he'll declare his love for Everton & Rangers in the Sunderland post match interview too.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=44755.msg1373484#msg1373484 date=1312270674]
[quote author=Lewy link=topic=44755.msg1373389#msg1373389 date=1312232480]
hate to say it but kennys just wrong (if he doesnt want aqua), i dont think we'll see pass and move with him this season at all
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If the King doesn't want Aquilani I'll bet it's not for footballing reasons, so I don't think the bolded bit follows in any way.
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The reason must be that he can only occupy a role where also Stevie G and Raul M can play. They are the three best midfileders in the club, but fight out for the same spot. And Aquilani clearly needs to play football to keep his place in the italian squad.
[quote author=Lewy link=topic=44755.msg1373389#msg1373389 date=1312232480]
hate to say it but kennys just wrong (if he doesnt want aqua), i dont think we'll see pass and move with him this season at all
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If the King doesn't want Aquilani I'll bet it's not for footballing reasons, so I don't think the bolded bit follows in any way.
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The reason must be that he can only occupy a role where also Stevie G and Raul M can play. They are the three best midfileders in the club, but fight out for the same spot. And Aquilani clearly needs to play football to keep his place in the italian squad.
I don't agree with any of that analysis. Stevie could well (and IMO probably will) play deeper and Raul is more of a forward runner than Aquilani, whose main strength IMO is that pinpoint passing of his. I'd bet a sizeable sum of money that Kenny doesn't want Aquilani for the same reason I don't, namely that Aquilani himself wants to be elsewhere.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=44755.msg1373518#msg1373518 date=1312272463]
I don't agree with any of that analysis. Stevie could well (and IMO probably will) play deeper and Raul is more of a forward runner than Aquilani, whose main strength IMO is that pinpoint passing of his. I'd bet a sizeable sum of money that Kenny doesn't want Aquilani for the same reason I don't, namely that Aquilani himself wants to be elsewhere.
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Stevie can play deeper, but is more efficient in that position. Raul can also play deeper, but my money is on Kenny wanting to pair Adam (Which is his marquee signing) with Lucas. Hence we are left with the three to fight it over two places. With the injury doubts to both Raul and Stevie we wil lprobably end up seeing Kuyt or Henderson playing that role.
Aquilani wants to be in Poland and Ukraine next summer, hence he cant spend a season on the Liverpool bench. And to be honest he doesnt deserve to sit there.. He is o good to do that.
I don't agree with any of that analysis. Stevie could well (and IMO probably will) play deeper and Raul is more of a forward runner than Aquilani, whose main strength IMO is that pinpoint passing of his. I'd bet a sizeable sum of money that Kenny doesn't want Aquilani for the same reason I don't, namely that Aquilani himself wants to be elsewhere.
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Stevie can play deeper, but is more efficient in that position. Raul can also play deeper, but my money is on Kenny wanting to pair Adam (Which is his marquee signing) with Lucas. Hence we are left with the three to fight it over two places. With the injury doubts to both Raul and Stevie we wil lprobably end up seeing Kuyt or Henderson playing that role.
Aquilani wants to be in Poland and Ukraine next summer, hence he cant spend a season on the Liverpool bench. And to be honest he doesnt deserve to sit there.. He is o good to do that.
Hasnt it been confirmed by reliable sources that he desperatly wants to return to Italy? If so, there really isno point in keeping him. Its a shame cause he was head and shulders above the rest when he came on yesterday. Chickened out of a few headers and challenges though.
His time with us hasn't proven that he is too good at all. For whatever reasons he's done nothing, whereas others have played much better.
If he really wants to play for Italy next summer then its down to him really. I'm sure the club won't stand in his way.
I don't much care if he stays or goes really but if he does stay then I don't see him as an automatic starter by any means.
If he really wants to play for Italy next summer then its down to him really. I'm sure the club won't stand in his way.
I don't much care if he stays or goes really but if he does stay then I don't see him as an automatic starter by any means.
I think gerrard is going to be in and out of the side all season so keeping aqua wouldn't be a bad idea unless kenny really does want rid.
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=44755.msg1373496#msg1373496 date=1312271404]
Kenny Dalglish wont have us playing pass & move football?
Yeah, I agree actually, & I'm equally sure he'll declare his love for Everton & Rangers in the Sunderland post match interview too.
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You know he is actually a rangers fan don't you?
Kenny Dalglish wont have us playing pass & move football?
Yeah, I agree actually, & I'm equally sure he'll declare his love for Everton & Rangers in the Sunderland post match interview too.
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You know he is actually a rangers fan don't you?
[quote author=Richey link=topic=44755.msg1373539#msg1373539 date=1312274699]
Isn't Aquilani injured quite often too? Doesn't sound like a particularly reliable back up option to me
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we were the ones to nurse him back to full fitness, it's only fair we reap the benefits.
Isn't Aquilani injured quite often too? Doesn't sound like a particularly reliable back up option to me
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we were the ones to nurse him back to full fitness, it's only fair we reap the benefits.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=44755.msg1373533#msg1373533 date=1312274093]
His time with us hasn't proven that he is too good at all. For whatever reasons he's done nothing, whereas others have played much better.
If he really wants to play for Italy next summer then its down to him really. I'm sure the club won't stand in his way.
I don't much care if he stays or goes really but if he does stay then I don't see him as an automatic starter by any means.
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He hasn't really been able to prove anything Richey, for whatever reasons, I think it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. He didn't seem too disappointed to be going home but we don't seem to have given him the opportunities a £20m fee demanded either.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the lad has got plenty of natural talent and WOULD be a good stand in for Gerrard, even more so than Ming because he has that quality we severely lack in someone putting their foot on the ball and being ambitious and accurate with their passing. You only have to watch him play for 5 minutes to see he's got the quality, he's not ever going to prove it if no one has the bollocks to give him a go, that doesn't automatically mean he's not good enough. It's been a complex and disappointing two years but dismissing him as shit (as many have) because of it is unfair, IMO.
His time with us hasn't proven that he is too good at all. For whatever reasons he's done nothing, whereas others have played much better.
If he really wants to play for Italy next summer then its down to him really. I'm sure the club won't stand in his way.
I don't much care if he stays or goes really but if he does stay then I don't see him as an automatic starter by any means.
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He hasn't really been able to prove anything Richey, for whatever reasons, I think it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. He didn't seem too disappointed to be going home but we don't seem to have given him the opportunities a £20m fee demanded either.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the lad has got plenty of natural talent and WOULD be a good stand in for Gerrard, even more so than Ming because he has that quality we severely lack in someone putting their foot on the ball and being ambitious and accurate with their passing. You only have to watch him play for 5 minutes to see he's got the quality, he's not ever going to prove it if no one has the bollocks to give him a go, that doesn't automatically mean he's not good enough. It's been a complex and disappointing two years but dismissing him as shit (as many have) because of it is unfair, IMO.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44755.msg1373553#msg1373553 date=1312275695]
He hasn't really been able to prove anything Richey, for whatever reasons, I think it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. He didn't seem too disappointed to be going home but we don't seem to have given him the opportunities a £20m fee demanded either.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the lad has got plenty of natural talent and WOULD be a good stand in for Gerrard, even more so than Ming because he has that quality we severely lack in someone putting their foot on the ball and being ambitious and accurate with their passing. You only have to watch him play for 5 minutes to see he's got the quality, he's not ever going to prove it if no one has the bollocks to give him a go, that doesn't automatically mean he's not good enough. It's been a complex and disappointing two years but dismissing him as shit (as many have) because of it is unfair, IMO.
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I don't think he is shit by any means, but at the same time I am not about to start making him out to be the potential saviour of our season like some seem to be doing.
Like you say he is clearly a talented player and that is the reason why I would be happy to see him stay but he has not shown enough to start planning the team around him either. If he wants to stay and fight for a place in the team then great, good luck to him.
You are right in saying he has not had a great deal of opportunities but why is that? I know he was injured a lot in his first season, which in itself makes me wonder whether it would be wise having him as a back up (where you really need to be reliable above all else), but is it just that or did Benitez just not fancy playing him, and if not why not?
He hasn't really been able to prove anything Richey, for whatever reasons, I think it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. He didn't seem too disappointed to be going home but we don't seem to have given him the opportunities a £20m fee demanded either.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the lad has got plenty of natural talent and WOULD be a good stand in for Gerrard, even more so than Ming because he has that quality we severely lack in someone putting their foot on the ball and being ambitious and accurate with their passing. You only have to watch him play for 5 minutes to see he's got the quality, he's not ever going to prove it if no one has the bollocks to give him a go, that doesn't automatically mean he's not good enough. It's been a complex and disappointing two years but dismissing him as shit (as many have) because of it is unfair, IMO.
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I don't think he is shit by any means, but at the same time I am not about to start making him out to be the potential saviour of our season like some seem to be doing.
Like you say he is clearly a talented player and that is the reason why I would be happy to see him stay but he has not shown enough to start planning the team around him either. If he wants to stay and fight for a place in the team then great, good luck to him.
You are right in saying he has not had a great deal of opportunities but why is that? I know he was injured a lot in his first season, which in itself makes me wonder whether it would be wise having him as a back up (where you really need to be reliable above all else), but is it just that or did Benitez just not fancy playing him, and if not why not?
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44755.msg1373553#msg1373553 date=1312275695]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=44755.msg1373533#msg1373533 date=1312274093]
His time with us hasn't proven that he is too good at all. For whatever reasons he's done nothing, whereas others have played much better.
If he really wants to play for Italy next summer then its down to him really. I'm sure the club won't stand in his way.
I don't much care if he stays or goes really but if he does stay then I don't see him as an automatic starter by any means.
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He hasn't really been able to prove anything Richey, for whatever reasons, I think it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. He didn't seem too disappointed to be going home but we don't seem to have given him the opportunities a £20m fee demanded either.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the lad has got plenty of natural talent and WOULD be a good stand in for Gerrard, even more so than Ming because he has that quality we severely lack in someone putting their foot on the ball and being ambitious and accurate with their passing. You only have to watch him play for 5 minutes to see he's got the quality, he's not ever going to prove it if no one has the bollocks to give him a go, that doesn't automatically mean he's not good enough. It's been a complex and disappointing two years but dismissing him as shit (as many have) because of it is unfair, IMO.
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we can't ignore that the owners may be insisting we get rid of 'SOMEONE' to balance the book/make the wage bill sustainable and there are precious few in the squad that will raise a fee who aren't needed for the first team. we may be selling aqua because we HAVE to sell aqua.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=44755.msg1373533#msg1373533 date=1312274093]
His time with us hasn't proven that he is too good at all. For whatever reasons he's done nothing, whereas others have played much better.
If he really wants to play for Italy next summer then its down to him really. I'm sure the club won't stand in his way.
I don't much care if he stays or goes really but if he does stay then I don't see him as an automatic starter by any means.
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He hasn't really been able to prove anything Richey, for whatever reasons, I think it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. He didn't seem too disappointed to be going home but we don't seem to have given him the opportunities a £20m fee demanded either.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the lad has got plenty of natural talent and WOULD be a good stand in for Gerrard, even more so than Ming because he has that quality we severely lack in someone putting their foot on the ball and being ambitious and accurate with their passing. You only have to watch him play for 5 minutes to see he's got the quality, he's not ever going to prove it if no one has the bollocks to give him a go, that doesn't automatically mean he's not good enough. It's been a complex and disappointing two years but dismissing him as shit (as many have) because of it is unfair, IMO.
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we can't ignore that the owners may be insisting we get rid of 'SOMEONE' to balance the book/make the wage bill sustainable and there are precious few in the squad that will raise a fee who aren't needed for the first team. we may be selling aqua because we HAVE to sell aqua.
Rafa suggested that he was dismissing himself as unfit before games saying he didn't 'feel ready', that said you have to question Rafa's judgement in buying him in the first place, I don't think him or Keane were mentally right for the club and what we were looking for.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44755.msg1373603#msg1373603 date=1312277932]
Rafa suggested that he was dismissing himself as unfit before games saying he didn't 'feel ready', that said you have to question Rafa's judgement in buying him in the first place, I don't think him or Keane were mentally right for the club and what we were looking for.
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rafa just wanted rid of keane after his balotelli back heel
Rafa suggested that he was dismissing himself as unfit before games saying he didn't 'feel ready', that said you have to question Rafa's judgement in buying him in the first place, I don't think him or Keane were mentally right for the club and what we were looking for.
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rafa just wanted rid of keane after his balotelli back heel
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44755.msg1373603#msg1373603 date=1312277932]
Rafa suggested that he was dismissing himself as unfit before games saying he didn't 'feel ready', that said you have to question Rafa's judgement in buying him in the first place, I don't think him or Keane were mentally right for the club and what we were looking for.
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Would both reasons not be arguments against keeping him now too?
If he is not going to be fit regularly then he is no use to us and if he was not a good signing then, and not mentally right for the club then, what has changed to make him so now?
Rafa suggested that he was dismissing himself as unfit before games saying he didn't 'feel ready', that said you have to question Rafa's judgement in buying him in the first place, I don't think him or Keane were mentally right for the club and what we were looking for.
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Would both reasons not be arguments against keeping him now too?
If he is not going to be fit regularly then he is no use to us and if he was not a good signing then, and not mentally right for the club then, what has changed to make him so now?
[quote author=Richey link=topic=44755.msg1373618#msg1373618 date=1312279304]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44755.msg1373603#msg1373603 date=1312277932]
Rafa suggested that he was dismissing himself as unfit before games saying he didn't 'feel ready', that said you have to question Rafa's judgement in buying him in the first place, I don't think him or Keane were mentally right for the club and what we were looking for.
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Would both reasons not be arguments against keeping him now too?
If he is not going to be fit regularly then he is no use to us and if he was not a good signing then, and not mentally right for the club then, what has changed to make him so now?
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There's obviously more to it than meets the eye, my main gripe was with a few people saying that because he hasn't played he's obviously not good enough, it's fairly obvious there's been more to it and like we said, it's not hard to see he's got plenty of talent. Things change in football anyway, Rafa had a side that was struggling and lacked creativity, when he did eventually throw Aquilani in we looked better for it. There's certainly issues but we lack creativity so it would be foolish to throw away a chance to rectify that because of past issues, unless of course, as JJ has suggested, he doesn't want to be here.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44755.msg1373603#msg1373603 date=1312277932]
Rafa suggested that he was dismissing himself as unfit before games saying he didn't 'feel ready', that said you have to question Rafa's judgement in buying him in the first place, I don't think him or Keane were mentally right for the club and what we were looking for.
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Would both reasons not be arguments against keeping him now too?
If he is not going to be fit regularly then he is no use to us and if he was not a good signing then, and not mentally right for the club then, what has changed to make him so now?
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There's obviously more to it than meets the eye, my main gripe was with a few people saying that because he hasn't played he's obviously not good enough, it's fairly obvious there's been more to it and like we said, it's not hard to see he's got plenty of talent. Things change in football anyway, Rafa had a side that was struggling and lacked creativity, when he did eventually throw Aquilani in we looked better for it. There's certainly issues but we lack creativity so it would be foolish to throw away a chance to rectify that because of past issues, unless of course, as JJ has suggested, he doesn't want to be here.
this pre season aqua has been doing what adam was SUPPOSED to be doing, i.e. improving corners, picking passes and keeping the tempo high.
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=44755.msg1373618#msg1373618 date=1312279304]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44755.msg1373603#msg1373603 date=1312277932]
Rafa suggested that he was dismissing himself as unfit before games saying he didn't 'feel ready', that said you have to question Rafa's judgement in buying him in the first place, I don't think him or Keane were mentally right for the club and what we were looking for.
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Would both reasons not be arguments against keeping him now too?
If he is not going to be fit regularly then he is no use to us and if he was not a good signing then, and not mentally right for the club then, what has changed to make him so now?
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There's obviously more to it than meets the eye, my main gripe was with a few people saying that because he hasn't played he's obviously not good enough, it's fairly obvious there's been more to it and like we said, it's not hard to see he's got plenty of talent. Things change in football anyway, Rafa had a side that was struggling and lacked creativity, when he did eventually throw Aquilani in we looked better for it. There's certainly issues but we lack creativity so it would be foolish to throw away a chance to rectify that because of past issues, unless of course, as JJ has suggested, he doesn't want to be here.
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rafa wanted rid of alonso, tried to sell him, couldn't and alonso ended up being player of the season. maybe if we fail to sell aqua he will force his way into the team and have a massive impact on our fortunes.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=44755.msg1373618#msg1373618 date=1312279304]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44755.msg1373603#msg1373603 date=1312277932]
Rafa suggested that he was dismissing himself as unfit before games saying he didn't 'feel ready', that said you have to question Rafa's judgement in buying him in the first place, I don't think him or Keane were mentally right for the club and what we were looking for.
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Would both reasons not be arguments against keeping him now too?
If he is not going to be fit regularly then he is no use to us and if he was not a good signing then, and not mentally right for the club then, what has changed to make him so now?
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There's obviously more to it than meets the eye, my main gripe was with a few people saying that because he hasn't played he's obviously not good enough, it's fairly obvious there's been more to it and like we said, it's not hard to see he's got plenty of talent. Things change in football anyway, Rafa had a side that was struggling and lacked creativity, when he did eventually throw Aquilani in we looked better for it. There's certainly issues but we lack creativity so it would be foolish to throw away a chance to rectify that because of past issues, unless of course, as JJ has suggested, he doesn't want to be here.
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rafa wanted rid of alonso, tried to sell him, couldn't and alonso ended up being player of the season. maybe if we fail to sell aqua he will force his way into the team and have a massive impact on our fortunes.
We've actually looked more threatening as a side when Aquilani and N'Gog have entered the fray in these preseason games, that says alot for good movement, whatever you can say about those two players individually. The rest of the time we've looked pretty static and uninspiring.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44755.msg1373603#msg1373603 date=1312277932]
Rafa suggested that he was dismissing himself as unfit before games saying he didn't 'feel ready', that said you have to question Rafa's judgement in buying him in the first place, I don't think him or Keane were mentally right for the club and what we were looking for.[/quote]
Benitez in blame deflection shocker. That does seem to explain why Aquilani was looking forlorn at the pitch as he was warming up for 30 minutes and waiting for his 10 minutes of game-changing time.
Rafa suggested that he was dismissing himself as unfit before games saying he didn't 'feel ready', that said you have to question Rafa's judgement in buying him in the first place, I don't think him or Keane were mentally right for the club and what we were looking for.[/quote]
Benitez in blame deflection shocker. That does seem to explain why Aquilani was looking forlorn at the pitch as he was warming up for 30 minutes and waiting for his 10 minutes of game-changing time.
I know we bought adam for 8m just this summer but if aqua is proving to be a better bet...
Aquilani has almost always been the best player on the pitch for us when hes played.
This pre-season he has been about the only highlight, with about 5 assists playing less than half of the match. He's been direct, inspiring, creative and dangerous. There seem to be two (major) counter arguments and some little points.
1.He doesnt want to be here! - Tough shit. Ronaldo, Tevez, Nasri, Modric, Rooney, Fabregas, Barry, Alonso.... all players who have said they want to leave their clubs but have in many cases gone on to perform admirably showing professionalism as you would expect. If we came out and said Aquilani is not for sale then that would be the end of it.
2.He gets injured a lot - He played as many games as Meireles last year and his long standing injuries seem to be over.
3.Its only china/malaysia/valarenga etc - Yeah so why is everyone else unable to perform to his standard?
Id love him to stay.
This pre-season he has been about the only highlight, with about 5 assists playing less than half of the match. He's been direct, inspiring, creative and dangerous. There seem to be two (major) counter arguments and some little points.
1.He doesnt want to be here! - Tough shit. Ronaldo, Tevez, Nasri, Modric, Rooney, Fabregas, Barry, Alonso.... all players who have said they want to leave their clubs but have in many cases gone on to perform admirably showing professionalism as you would expect. If we came out and said Aquilani is not for sale then that would be the end of it.
2.He gets injured a lot - He played as many games as Meireles last year and his long standing injuries seem to be over.
3.Its only china/malaysia/valarenga etc - Yeah so why is everyone else unable to perform to his standard?
Id love him to stay.
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Aquilani has almost always been the best player on the pitch for us when hes played.
This pre-season he has been about the only highlight, with about 5 assists playing less than half of the match. He's been direct, inspiring, creative and dangerous. There seem to be two (major) counter arguments and some little points.
1.He doesnt want to be here! - Tough shit. Ronaldo, Tevez, Nasri, Modric, Rooney, Fabregas, Barry, Alonso.... all players who have said they want to leave their clubs but have in many cases gone on to perform admirably showing professionalism as you would expect. If we came out and said Aquilani is not for sale then that would be the end of it.
2.He gets injured a lot - He played as many games as Meireles last year and his long standing injuries seem to be over.
3.Its only china/malaysia/valarenga etc - Yeah so why is everyone else unable to perform to his standard?
Id love him to stay.
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good post, oncy.
Aquilani has almost always been the best player on the pitch for us when hes played.
This pre-season he has been about the only highlight, with about 5 assists playing less than half of the match. He's been direct, inspiring, creative and dangerous. There seem to be two (major) counter arguments and some little points.
1.He doesnt want to be here! - Tough shit. Ronaldo, Tevez, Nasri, Modric, Rooney, Fabregas, Barry, Alonso.... all players who have said they want to leave their clubs but have in many cases gone on to perform admirably showing professionalism as you would expect. If we came out and said Aquilani is not for sale then that would be the end of it.
2.He gets injured a lot - He played as many games as Meireles last year and his long standing injuries seem to be over.
3.Its only china/malaysia/valarenga etc - Yeah so why is everyone else unable to perform to his standard?
Id love him to stay.
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good post, oncy.
It is a strange situation. By far our best pre=season player (by a country mile) and we're seemingly desperate for him to leave for a knock-down fee just as he proves his potential long-term fitness.
It must be case of him not wanting to be here. I can't imagine Kenny would be desperate to offload him otherwise.
It must be case of him not wanting to be here. I can't imagine Kenny would be desperate to offload him otherwise.
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