Anthony Gordon

[Squiggles]

I think it’s a misconception that Edwards likes shopping in the bargain bin. Salah looked overpriced at the time for a “Chelsea reject.” People said Mane was a good player, but the fee was excessive and buying yet another player from Southampton “lacked imagination”. Eyebrows were raised at Jota’s fee even more. And that’s before we even mention Van Dijk, Alisson or Keita - our record fees for players in their respective positions.

I think what the data guys’ approach does, it helps them not to become a victim of hype - we rarely if ever were battling it out for “the most desirable bachelor in town,” usually the data led us to players who weren’t cheap because they were valued and relied upon by their current club, even if the outside world didn’t completely realize their value.

I think transfer price is tangential for Edwards: he is looking for the right player whether they cost a record amount or are available on a free; price is not a factor in the initial search for a player. Unlike salary demands BTW - I think we don’t even consider players above a certain salary threshold.

Agreed, but this is an overpay beyond anything mentioned there, IMO. Slott is going to want multiple additions to the squad during a time that all the accounts suggest we are going to have less money to play with. Whilst I don't think we'll be scrambling around in the bargain bin, there's enough to suspect that that blockbuster PL signings are unlikely. Fans around the world (rightly) mock the fees PL clubs hand to each other for good to decent players. This seems another prime example.

 

[binomial]

Our fullback you mean Joe Gomez? Not sure how many meaningful crosses he will make.

Being an effective winger is about having a range of skill, a repertoire of attacking moves. If we can make out that Diaz simply doesn't do crossing of the ball for whatever reason, I would think our opponents would have caught on. Salah crosses plenty, loads of highlight reels to view, I can't remember any for Diaz.

Anyway, it's the end of the season. I don't actually need stats to tell me Diaz is not good enough for us. He will actually be the first attacker I will replace. You will surely feel otherwise. I can leave it as that. The stats are from an independent source, take it what you will.

We will know next season who is still around. The wheels seems to be turning on Edward's end.

All of them of course, Salah is 104th in the league for number of crosses with 37. Robbo and Trent are both in the top 15 with 178 and 163 respectively. Gomez has 2 more crosses than Salah in the Prem this season (meaningful or not) and he hasn't played near as many minutes and some have even come at CB so yes I'd say 80% of our crosses comes from our fullbacks, these are according to the source which you used in this thread..........you might be confusing crosses to square passes. Diaz isn't the type who'll put in cross after cross and Salah also isn't much of a crosser himself, he peels off on runs inside and looks square passes if a shot isn't on or someone's in a better position.


None of us need any stats to make our minds up whether we think a player is good enough for us or not, I assume we all watch enough games to know. I'm not actually averse to replacing anyone in the team other than Virg and Ali, always said if the money is right we should take it and I've said before if a 70m+ offer comes in we should accept.

I have no reason not to believe Edwards won't improve us in the summer and bring in the players we need.

 

[Dreambeliever]

Would be buying him at his peak??

He strikes me as someone who would pick up injuries playing for a club competing in multiple fronts twice a week all season.

 

[StevieM]

I hate games played - you come on for a 5 mins sub appearance and that's a game. Makes zero sense as we'll see because your stats say Diaz played 36 games to Gordon's 35 .... however Gordon played nearly 400 mins more ! So ...

Diaz 8 goals in 2,574 mins (goal every 321.75 mins). Assists 5 (one every 515 mins).
Gordon 10 goals (+1 if you want for the penalty but he only took that because Isaak was off the pitch) in 2,906 mins (goal every 290.6 mins and ditto assists).

As far as goals is concerned that's close enough to be a push but Gordon is miles ahead in assists. But since many of you like to blame Big Chances missed is that a result of our forwards missing and Newcastle's (Isaak) being more clinical? And I'm guessing many of those Big Chances and Assists were from his thousands of crosses.

Diaz has far more passes (per min) but Gordon a massive difference in crosses (ca. x4 per mins played). Shooting accuracy close (38% to 34% in favour of Gordon).

Gordon clearly edges it this season but it's not that clear cut as some would have us believe, and remember that Diaz had some ridiculously emotional circumstances to contend with. It also depends on style of play, Diaz made faar more passes - was that down to Klopp ? And Gordon x4 more crosses, Howe's influence ? Would that still suit us under Slot?

This is far from clear cut and I wouldn't be gambling £70m on Gordon.

EDIT : Especially so after reading Binny's statistics ! Posters underrating one of our players and overrating the neighbour's wife is not new for 6CM.

Honestly, I’m not sure minutes played gives that much more insight - there are loads of players that do come on for those 5 minutes and score highly on a goals per minute ratio, but then you end up with players who’s stats read 1 goal every 20 minutes, but 20 appearances and 5 goals.

I think goals per game ends up being better, if I’m honest.

Take our favourite donkey - Nunez - and this is based on the league.

Played 35, scored 11.. so a 1 in 3 striker.

Ahhhh no, you may say, he score every 180 minutes… so he’s a 1 in 2 striker!!!

But he averages 60 minutes played across all the games he’s played because there’s a mixture of sub and starts and time on the pitch periods - - so by that metric he needs 3 games to play 180 minutes, so the 1 in 3 is actually more accurate.

 

[Frogfish]

Honestly, I’m not sure minutes played gives that much more insight - there are loads of players that do come on for those 5 minutes and score highly on a goals per minute ratio, but then you end up with players who’s stats read 1 goal every 20 minutes, but 20 appearances and 5 goals.

I think goals per game ends up being better, if I’m honest.

Take our favourite donkey - Nunez - and this is based on the league.

Played 35, scored 11.. so a 1 in 3 striker.

Ahhhh no, you may say, he score every 180 minutes… so he’s a 1 in 2 striker!!!

But he averages 60 minutes played across all the games he’s played because there’s a mixture of sub and starts and time on the pitch periods - - so by that metric he needs 3 games to play 180 minutes, so the 1 in 3 is actually more accurate.

Haha what a load of bollocks Stevie. If we use someone like Origi no-one will use games over mins because it would be ridiculous.
The same clearly applies to Gordon over Diaz. Gordon had close on 400 more mins on the pitch so obviously more opportunities to score. Whether he scored in 5 mins or 89 mins is irrelevant. He had more opportunity to do so.

 

[StevieM]

Let me illustrate.

Divock Origi scored 22 goals for Liverpool in the Premier League at a rate of 1 every 159 minutes.

Darwin Nunez scored 20 goals for Liverpool in the Premier League at a rate of 1 every 186 minutes.

Divock Origi scored 22 goals for Liverpool in the Premier League in 107 appearances.

Darwin Nunez scored 20 goals for Liverpool in the Premier League in 64 appearances.

By the Froggie method, Origi is hands down a better goal scorer than Nunez.

 

[Frogfish]

Let me illustrate.

Divock Origi scored 22 goals for Liverpool in the Premier League at a rate of 1 every 159 minutes.

Darwin Nunez scored 20 goals for Liverpool in the Premier League at a rate of 1 every 186 minutes.

Divock Origi scored 22 goals for Liverpool in the Premier League in 107 appearances.

Darwin Nunez scored 20 goals for Liverpool in the Premier League in 64 appearances.

By the Froggie method, Origi is hands down a better goal scorer than Nunez.

There's more to it than that but thanks for proving my point!

 

[StevieM]

Haha what a load of bollocks Stevie. If we use someone like Origi no-one will use games over mins because it would be ridiculous.
The same clearly applies to Gordon over Diaz. Gordon had close on 400 more mins on the pitch so obviously more opportunities to score. Whether he scored in 5 mins or 89 mins is irrelevant. He had more opportunity to do so.

So, you want to just pick out specific data that supports the point you want to make and ignore the data that doesn’t.

That’s Dreamie level wrong Froggie, and you know it.

I’m giving you a bone here… neither are absolutely good measures, but per game actually can give more nuance than per minute.

 

[StevieM]

There's more to it than that but thanks for proving my point!

Well if there’s more to it SPEAK UP MAN - let’s hear more about the nuance of what goals per minute actually means!

 

[StevieM]

There's more to it than that but thanks for proving my point!

Would you like me to use someone else to illustrate the point - do you want to pick who?

 

[StevieM]

Haha what a load of bollocks Stevie. If we use someone like Origi no-one will use games over mins because it would be ridiculous.
The same clearly applies to Gordon over Diaz. Gordon had close on 400 more mins on the pitch so obviously more opportunities to score. Whether he scored in 5 mins or 89 mins is irrelevant. He had more opportunity to do so.

I’m not sure what your point is here.

He played in the same amount of games but he’s played more minutes - and his goals and assists are better by minute or by game.

So he’s had a better season than Diaz by all metrics.

 

[Frogfish]

So, you want to just pick out specific data that supports the point you want to make and ignore the data that doesn’t.

That’s Dreamie level wrong Froggie, and you know it.

I’m giving you a bone here… neither are absolutely good measures, but per game actually can give more nuance than per minute.

That isn't 'specific data' to use your term. It's logic. And no, using games is absolute bollocks. 90 mins vs 5 mins my arse. It doesn't mean you can't still use nuance when considering minutes, it's not an absolute.

 

[Frogfish]

I’m not sure what your point is here.

He played in the same amount of games but he’s played more minutes - and his goals and assists are better by minute or by game.

So he’s had a better season than Diaz by all metrics.

Go back and read my initial reply. I didn't deny that, in fact I even stated it. But I also pointed out that there are factors affecting both and the difference is far from clear cut.

 

[Frogfish]

Well if there’s more to it SPEAK UP MAN - let’s hear more about the nuance of what goals per minute actually means!

I think you're just being deliberately dense. It was in my original reply.

 

[LarryHagman]

I think he's a cracking player. Looking like a middle-aged Amish lesbian might not sell many shirts but, goal threat, he's well ahead of at least 3 of our front 5.

 

[Fabio]

I dislike goals per minute and goals per game. Of course a pacey winger coming on a sub regularly against tired legs makes more of an impact. Equally, goals per game is harsh if they're brought on for 6 minutes when we're comfortably winning

Both are shite

 

[jexykrodic]

Him and Jones are best mates I think.

Wtf is he wearing

He's wearing his Mum's leggings

 

[white-sox]

Him and Jones are best mates I think.

Wtf is he wearing

NOB - what a perfect caption!!

 

[Modo]

NOB - what a perfect caption!!

Lol, how did I miss that

 

[Woland]

I think if we're going to compare like for like someone should kidnap Gordon's dad. He must be fairly local, he's probs in a pub round here now. Someone must know. If Gordon plays for Newcastle tomorrow and doesn't seem to be very concerned you'd have to say his stats tally up well against Diaz.

 

[Fabio]

I think if we're going to compare like for like someone should kidnap Gordon's dad. He must be fairly local, he's probs in a pub round here now. Someone must know. If Gordon plays for Newcastle tomorrow and doesn't seem to be very concerned you'd have to say his stats tally up well against Diaz.

Expected Goals per kidnapping (xGK) is an underutilized metric. Maybe the spreadsheet squad know this already

 

[King Binny]

All his goals this season up till Mar (i.e. missing 2 goals - vs. Tottenham in Apr and Man Utd in May)


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKOxM3vwvbA


View: https://x.com/Squawka/status/1790856484420534288

 

[Fabio]

That cut in from the wing to the far post is what Salah and Diaz wish they could do this year

That compilation is just missing a header, as he's scored every type of goal. Curlers, volleys, scrappy, tap ins.