Alonso on Benitez...

[Frogfish]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35598.msg937831#msg937831 date=1251965413]
It's like hearing that a Cabinet minister has resigned on 'a matter of principle' a year after the incident. We all see through that kind of tosh. Alonso's 'argument' is similarly self-serving and hypocritical, and deserves to be treated with the same degree of contempt.
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If he was professional enough then he will admit to himself, if not to the world, that his form was not deserving of a regular place in the Liverpool team. He got the kick up the pants he needed from Rafa's pursuit of Barry - but there was no ulterior motive to Xabi's form though (as if it's possible to just switch your form on and off) - he had just had the shock of his life and it then happened to coincide with maybe his best season at Liverpool - great for us as far as his transfer value was concerned.

Providence smiled on him when RM came knocking and having been able to witness all Summer the comings and comings at RM who could blame him for not wanting to be a part of that, Basque or not. I don't.

 

[Frogfish]

Re: Alonso on Bentiez...

[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=35598.msg937781#msg937781 date=1251945234]
I still have a huge amount of respect for Alonso.. True proffesional.

The same can be said about Rafa the majority of the time.

sometimes things dont work out. Ah well.. good luck to Alonso and we got a huge bunch of cash.

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G&H

 

[Mors]

Re: Alonso on Bentiez...

[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35598.msg937844#msg937844 date=1251966488]
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=35598.msg937781#msg937781 date=1251945234]
I still have a huge amount of respect for Alonso.. True proffesional.

The same can be said about Rafa the majority of the time.

sometimes things dont work out. Ah well.. good luck to Alonso and we got a huge bunch of cash.

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G&H
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And we got one of the best RB's around and maybe someone better than Xabi out of it? It's not all bad.

 

[Frogfish]

Re: Alonso on Bentiez...

[quote author=Anita link=topic=35598.msg937470#msg937470 date=1251902704]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=35598.msg937469#msg937469 date=1251902652]
See you tomorrow then?
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Same time, same place, I'll wear a white flower in my hair.
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Nice touch. The Chinese (Asian) funereal colour.

 

[Frogfish]

Re: Alonso on Bentiez...

[quote author=Mors link=topic=35598.msg937845#msg937845 date=1251967033]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35598.msg937844#msg937844 date=1251966488]
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=35598.msg937781#msg937781 date=1251945234]
I still have a huge amount of respect for Alonso.. True proffesional.

The same can be said about Rafa the majority of the time.

sometimes things dont work out. Ah well.. good luck to Alonso and we got a huge bunch of cash.

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G&H
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And we got one of the best RB's around and maybe someone better than Xabi out of it? It's not all bad.
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I have high hopes for Aquilani but even I have to admit that is jumping the gun ! Agree on Johnson. However we spent fuck all as far as the books go and with even just a 10M kitty plus profit from sales we would now be looking at David Silva lighting up our left side.

 

[Y1]

Re: Alonso on Bentiez...

[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35598.msg937846#msg937846 date=1251967068]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=35598.msg937470#msg937470 date=1251902704]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=35598.msg937469#msg937469 date=1251902652]
See you tomorrow then?
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Same time, same place, I'll wear a white flower in my hair.
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Nice touch. The Chinese (Asian) funereal colour.
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Maybe she is going to St Francisco as she will be wearing some flowers on her hair....

Whada lives there?

 

[Frogfish]

Re: Alonso on Bentiez...

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35598.msg937524#msg937524 date=1251906272]
I think he should have allowed him to witness the birth but this really isn't the issue, is it.

It's that it wasn't reconciled soon after but instead continued to fester.

You can point to a public press releases all day but, again, it means fuck all if your working relationship is fucked. My only anger with Benitez over this issue is this failure to mend bridges.

His actions were understandable enough.
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Of course he should, it goes without saying. Sky could easily have beamed it live right into the changing rooms.

 

[Whaddapie]

Re: Alonso on Bentiez...

[quote author=keniget link=topic=35598.msg937796#msg937796 date=1251956829]

Anybody who is not prepared to accept the terms of their own employment should choose a different career. Simple.

OR................ he can just go play for another top club and earn even more money.

What you're saying is not applicable to footballers. Or indeed anyone.

For the sake of one incident, do you choose another career or do you just find another job?
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Oh, for f#$! sake.

It IS applicable, Keni. It f#$!ing IS. To MANY careers...

Soliders. Presidents. Doctors. Long Distance Truck Drivers. Travelling Sales People. Professional Athletes. Call Center Managers. The list goes on...

ALL of these professions bring with them the potential of having to miss out on certain personal events in course of doing the job you've signed up for.

And if you're not prepared to take that risk, don't sign up for these jobs... It's like becoming a doctor if you don't like blood. It's like applying for a night shift job and then complaining that you don't get to slepp with your wife, like the rest of the world does - You know what the parameters of the job you're getting into are... If you don't like them, don't apply.

If you can't see this, you're either incredibly think (which we all know that you're not) or your simply being deliberately argumentative.

 

[Avmenon]

Re: Alonso on Bentiez...

[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=35598.msg937804#msg937804 date=1251960040]
It seems unlikely that the birth of a child would derail a professional relationship. It's not as if it's a surprise event, is it? (there's normally a lengthy period of notice). I think the two of them would've discussed matters beforehand.

Wouldn't it just have been that he saw the opportunity to play for his nation's biggest club?


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That would be true, but Xabi himself has come out and said that was a major factor in his decision.

I think Squiggs is spot on.

 

[keniget]

Re: Alonso on Bentiez...

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=35598.msg938020#msg938020 date=1251982024]
And if you're not prepared to take that risk, don't sign up for these jobs... It's like becoming a doctor if you don't like blood. It's like applying for a night shift job and then complaining that you don't get to slepp with your wife, like the rest of the world does - You know what the parameters of the job you're getting into are... If you don't like them, don't apply.

If you can't see this, you're either incredibly think (which we all know that you're not) or your simply being deliberately argumentative.
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Heh, that is a load of fucking shit.

So I'm guessing you've never, not once, complained about your job? About the hours.. about anything, huh? Probably never even pulled a sickie, have you? Well, what can I say, you probably thought long and hard about your career before embarking upon it and then decided that no matter what, not one utterance of dissatisfaction or failure to meet all work obligations would ever follow, otherwise it'd just have to be hari kari. Is that right?

It's not as simple for others though. They do complain about work, they do neglect their duties now and again. Ya'know, I think some people, after choosing something over their work obligations, and finding the subsequent situation difficult just change jobs... without deciding to change career. MAD, ISN'T IT! It shouldn't really be allowed, should it? Once you start a job, you are not allowed to deviate from the path they set out for you. After all, you chose the career, you chose to accept the job. That's it, until you are no longer of use.

 

[Squiggles]

Keni's right here

Footballers make huge sacrifices already and I think he was right, in this case, to put his girlfriend/wife before Liverpool football club. She's the main factor at play here - I'm certain it wasn't selfish factor on Xabi's part. The likelihood is she desperately wanted him to be there and he wanted to look after her. Everyone on here talks about their family meaning more to them than Liverpool football club, so I'm surprised this view point is so hard to understand. There has to be some compassion amongst the ruthless business that is football.

Anyway this wasn't why Alonso left, as Ryan says, but it should've been reconciled shortly after.

I'd have been extremely grateful had Xabi played that night, but I'd never have expected him to.

 

[Frogfish]

Xabi left because he saw what RM were building and he wanted to be part of it. End of.

Nothing else comes into it. Birth of baby ? Bullshit. Tete a tete with Rafa ? Bullshit. Because Rafa wanted to sell him last Summer ? Bullshit. All excuses. If RM didn't want him do you think he would have demanded a transfer somewhere else ? Of course not, he wanted greener grass.

As for the baby thing - well FFS they had 9 months. as Jexy said, to plan something (Caesarian, Induced, Agree something with Rafa) - it shouldn't have come down to wetting yourself because you left it too late to get to the loo.

 

[Judge Jules]

No, Keni isn't right. One can argue about whether Rafa should have let Alonso off travelling but, given that he told Alonso to do so, Alonso's subsequent actions were flat out unprofessional.

Whadda's complained in this very forum in the past about the demands of his job and their effects on his family, but he's still gotten on with it. What he hasn't done is publicly ignore his bosses' requirements of him and then get the hump when that decision brought consequences with it.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=35598.msg938071#msg938071 date=1251985465]
No, Keni isn't right. One can argue about whether Rafa should have let Alonso off travelling but, given that he told Alonso to do so, Alonso's subsequent actions were flat out unprofessional.

Whadda's complained in this very forum in the past about the demands of his job and their effects on his family, but he's still gotten on with it. What he hasn't done is publicly ignore his bosses' requirements of him and then get the hump when that decision brought consequences with it.
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I don't think I've said anything about him getting the hump in this thread. I've stated that yes of course there were consequences to his actions, he took them on the chin and carried on in a professional manner.

 

[Judge Jules]

Trouble with that is that Alonso himself has said the issue of his child's birth was a factor in his decision to leave, as Avvy already pointed out.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

I'd be with Whaddapie on this one.
If it meant that I could earn the kind of money a top flight player makes for a 10/15 year period which would mean my wife and I, plus our kids, could live a comfortable/well-off life but I had to risk missing the birth of my children I would take it as would the missus no doubt.

When you sign a pro contract it means you are giving up certain rights that would be considered run of the mill to us. You belong to the club and if they tell you to play a match, you play a match. If they tell you to turn up at press function, you turn up. Whatever might be occuring in your private life. Now one might not be as important as the other but an away leg of a champions league quarter final is pretty fucking big. Xabi should have been available to play that game.

 

[Whaddapie]

Re: Alonso on Bentiez...

[quote author=keniget link=topic=35598.msg938045#msg938045 date=1251983269]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=35598.msg938020#msg938020 date=1251982024]
And if you're not prepared to take that risk, don't sign up for these jobs... It's like becoming a doctor if you don't like blood. It's like applying for a night shift job and then complaining that you don't get to slepp with your wife, like the rest of the world does - You know what the parameters of the job you're getting into are... If you don't like them, don't apply.

If you can't see this, you're either incredibly think (which we all know that you're not) or your simply being deliberately argumentative.
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Heh, that is a load of fucking shit.

So I'm guessing you've never, not once, complained about your job? About the hours.. about anything, huh? Probably never even pulled a sickie, have you? Well, what can I say, you probably thought long and hard about your career before embarking upon it and then decided that no matter what, not one utterance of dissatisfaction or failure to meet all work obligations would ever follow, otherwise it'd just have to be hari kari. Is that right?

It's not as simple for others though. They do complain about work, they do neglect their duties now and again. Ya'know, I think some people, after choosing something over their work obligations, and finding the subsequent situation difficult just change jobs... without deciding to change career. MAD, ISN'T IT! It shouldn't really be allowed, should it? Once you start a job, you are not allowed to deviate from the path they set out for you. After all, you chose the career, you chose to accept the job. That's it, until you are no longer of use.
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I may not always like the job I'm doing, but I always do what is expected of me. In other words, I actually do exactly what it is that I signed up to do when I took the position that I hold... Like you say above, mad, isn't it? Doing what you say you'll do?

And if I have called in sick, it's never been on the day of a huge meeting, presentation or client visit... That's MY version of an away leg against the Italian champions in the European Cup. Those, I cannot miss. It comes with the territory. And the salary.

Over the past 10 years, I've had to work a Christmas Day or two, and a New Year's Eve or two... I've been called whilst on family holidays. Don't like it, but it's part of my being part of the executive team at this company. It's also why I'm paid more than somebody who does not have the same level of responsibilty as I do.

But, I'm sure you'll find a way to tell me that I'm wrong on this, too, seeing as we shouldn't actually have to abide by the rules that we initially accept, 'n all...

 

[Squiggles]

Well at least we see how easy it was for Alonso and Benitez to fall out over.

 

[Oncy]

Fucking hell lads. Let it go.

Seriously. He's gone. Nobody is changing anybodys mind.
See ya Xab.

 

[Whaddapie]

Yep, maybe it's time to lock my first thread, eh?

 

[Oncy]

Or everyone just sensibly backs away....quietly.

 

[Ryan]

Was it Syd that used to lock threads cos he was getting a kicking in them?

What a legend.

 

[FoxForceFive]

He'd go further than, he deleted them.

That was one reason we said we'd not delete threads, cos they'd just always go missing on KT.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35598.msg938345#msg938345 date=1252020587]
Was it Syd that used to lock threads cos he was getting a kicking in them?

What a legend.
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Only after he'd banned everyone who was dishing it out to him.

 

[Whaddapie]

Trouble was, Syd never lost a debate (in his own mind)...

 

[Ryan]

:bouncing yellow dj's:

 

[Whaddapie]

Who's worse about losing... Syd or Rashid?

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=35598.msg938381#msg938381 date=1252030631]
Who's worse about losing... Syd or Rashid?
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Syd ...... he would never let anything go ! He could have captained the Titanic.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Lessons Wiz has learned about this thread

1) Start a Xabi thread = Definite big thread with many participants
2) Oncey's right ... again (Xabi is gone)
3) Bashing DJ never does get old, does it?

 

[drizzt]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=35598.msg938073#msg938073 date=1251985739]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=35598.msg938071#msg938071 date=1251985465]
No, Keni isn't right. One can argue about whether Rafa should have let Alonso off travelling but, given that he told Alonso to do so, Alonso's subsequent actions were flat out unprofessional.

Whadda's complained in this very forum in the past about the demands of his job and their effects on his family, but he's still gotten on with it. What he hasn't done is publicly ignore his bosses' requirements of him and then get the hump when that decision brought consequences with it.
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I don't think I've said anything about him getting the hump in this thread. I've stated that yes of course there were consequences to his actions, he took them on the chin and carried on in a professional manner.

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Tony Barrett in the times.

The low point in their relationship came in Belgium last summer when Alonso’s anger at Benitez’s decision to put him up for sale almost led to him refusing to play in the Champions League qualifier against Standard Liege.

Alonso told his manager that he should pick either Jay Spearing or Damien Plessis so that if he did leave and sign for another club he would not be cup tied in that competition.