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My interest in football in general has waned so much so that I don't bother checking on the latest news anymore. (and I was what you'd call a football geek for years, not too long ago)

It doesn't bother me if I don't watch us play for months. Even the thought of Torres or Stevie leaving doesn't hurt me anymore than a pinch.

Initially I thought it was simply down to us being so crap for the last couple of years. But then I realized there's more to it.

I'm just disillusioned with the materialism and over-commercialization of the game. The fat paychecks, the greedy agents, the spoilt pampered attitude of the players, the inflated egos and prices, the takeovers by rich tycoons who haven't got a clue about football, etc.

I miss the good 'ole days where football was simply a game of 11 brave men who played with passion and desire.

Am I the only one feeling like this ?
 
[quote author=My_Blood_Bleeds_Red link=topic=43260.msg1236563#msg1236563 date=1293008620]

I'm just disillusioned with the materialism and over-commercialization of the game. The fat paychecks, the greedy agents, the spoilt pampered attitude of the players, the inflated egos and prices, the takeovers by rich tycoons who haven't got a clue about football, etc.

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That summed up my feelings a few years ago. I gave up my season ticket and have for the last few years concentrated on lower league football and it's given me back my passion for football. I would never go to (or watch on TV) a lower league game while Liverpool are playing but I would watch a game like Bury V Oxford United on SKY rather than United V Chelsea on ESPN if they were on at the same time.

The average wage in the 2nd division is under £30,000 per year so there's very little evidence of inflated egos and rabid commercialism.
 
My calender has us down for dicking utd in the fa cup midway through jan.

That's always something to look forward too!
 
Yeh footy has changed remarkably and everything you say rings true MBBR. Still, once the match is on I kind of forget about all that. Being shit doesn't help though. And it's not even the being shit bit - it's the lack of fight and passion.
 
I think the football's every bit as good. It's the shit that surrounds it that blunt's the appetite. The endless hype, commercialism, inane punditry in the lead up means that there is little or no excitement or mystery about the opposition. We're all concentrated on the Armageddon that will certainly follow if we don't win or the star players body language or the Manager's pronouncements.

Sky can claim a cash rich business and product and point to undiminished attendances but some of the mystery and anticipation has been lost in my opinion.

My TV match days are now reduced to switching on minutes before the start of the game to avoid the pre-game chit chat.
 
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I think the football's every bit as good. It's the shit that surrounds it that blunt's the appetite. The endless hype, commercialism, inane punditry in the lead up means that there is little or no excitement or mystery about the opposition. We're all concentrated on the Armageddon that will certainly follow if we don't win or the star players body language or the Manager's pronouncements.

Sky can claim a cash rich business and product and point to undiminished attendances but some of the mystery and anticipation has been lost in my opinion.

My TV match days are now reduced to switching on minutes before the start of the game to avoid the pre-game chit chat.
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Agree with a lot of that.

The Rooney/Tevez sagas this year have summed up the current game for me.
 
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[quote author=My_Blood_Bleeds_Red link=topic=43260.msg1236563#msg1236563 date=1293008620]

I'm just disillusioned with the materialism and over-commercialization of the game. The fat paychecks, the greedy agents, the spoilt pampered attitude of the players, the inflated egos and prices, the takeovers by rich tycoons who haven't got a clue about football, etc.

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That summed up my feelings a few years ago. I gave up my season ticket and have for the last few years concentrated on lower league football and it's given me back my passion for football. I would never go to (or watch on TV) a lower league game while Liverpool are playing but I would watch a game like Bury V Oxford United on SKY rather than United V Chelsea on ESPN if they were on at the same time.

The average wage in the 2nd division is under £30,000 per year so there's very little evidence of inflated egos and rabid commercialism.
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Money has certainly corrupted the sport from top to bottom.

When the value of a footballer (determined arbitrarily) can reach 80mil , with no one around to scrutinize the money trail, surely the rich and the crooked will see football clubs as the perfect vehicle to launder money. The Joorabchian-MSI-GSA-Mendes/Zahavi-Abramovich circle started off the circus and now we're seeing Middle East money pouring into football. Russian-Lithuanian "businessman" Vladimir Romanov buying a scottish club like Hearts??!!....something has got to be wrong.

Last minute goals, strange scorelines, dubious red cards, disallowed legitamate goals....nothing seems to surprise anymore. Match fixing is so rampant even at the highest level that as a sporting spectacle, football is becoming more like a movie to me, key players acting out their roles.

And the way Russia and Qatar, blindsided the bookies favourites to win the rights to host the 2018/2022 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting2018/2022end_of_the_skype_highlighting World Cups....dodgy to say the least.
 
"I'm really tired of football and also really tired of the people who work in football. I'm talking seriously. Football is only about money and I don't like it. Players only want money."

Anyone wanna guess whose quote this is?
 
In an interview with TyC Sports, Tevez once again reiterated his intentions to retire early, as well as voicing his growing contempt for the more ‘fiscally driven’ of his peers:

“I don’t want to play any more. I’m tired of football, but also tired of people who work in football. I don’t want to play any more, and I’m talking seriously.

“Football is only about money, and I don’t like it. There are so many agents with really young footballers. It’s awful, as these young players are not interesting in winning titles, they only want money.

“The young players think that they have won something in football because they have two mobile phones and a house. Today, there are many bad people in the football business, and you have to fight with them all the time. I’m tired of that too.â€

Moving into full Meldrew mode, Tevez then began criticizing the youth of today with their hoods, vodka and Gameboys – stopping just short of insisting that a stint of National Service would straighten those illiterate ingrates out:

“Today, the young players have no education at all, and I don’t want to listen to them. When I played in Boca, when Martin Palermo or Juan Roman Riquelme talked, I listened to them.

“So I don’t want a young player to tell me ‘why did you do that?’ in the dressing-room. I would punch him, as I have won 13 titles in my career.

“I’m going to play football for three or four years in Europe, then I will quit. I would play for Boca again only if my father asks me to do it, but I don’t want to play in Argentina again. If you ask me, I would love to have my old life back in my neighbourhood of Fuerte Apache as I don’t like my way of life today.

“I don’t want to suffer any more, I just want tobe calm, I want some peace. But at the moment, football feels like a job for me.â€
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=43260.msg1236843#msg1236843 date=1293045741]
Carlos?
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Yep cheeky git....I would say pot calling the kettle black but i don't think Carlos would appreciate it.

tbf I didn't realise he'd won as many titles as he has.
 
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[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=43260.msg1236843#msg1236843 date=1293045741]
Carlos?
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Yep cheeky git....I would say pot calling the kettle black but i don't think Carlos would appreciate it.

tbf I didn't realise he'd won as many titles as he has.
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Thats because he hasn't. According to Wiki he has 11, and most of them are hardly titles:

Boca Juniors

* Primera División: 2003 Apertura
* Copa Libertadores: 2003
* Copa Sudamericana: 2004
* Intercontinental Cup: 2003

Corinthians

* Campeonato Brasileiro Série A: 2005

Manchester United

* Premier League: 2007–08, 2008–09
* FA Community Shield: 2008
* UEFA Champions League: 2007–08
* FIFA Club World Cup: 2008
* Football League Cup: 2008–09


Maybe he feels that MVP in the Copa Libertadores seven years ago, Hammer of the year three years ago or Best use of a Kettle twenty fouryears ago are now a 'title'.
 
You can only chop out of being a Liverpool fan and blame the commercialism when we're doing well. If you chopped out in May 2005 then fair enough. If you chop out now you're a low down dirty lying gaytard who makes crap excuses for being a shit fan.
 
[quote author=Krump link=topic=43260.msg1236925#msg1236925 date=1293060004]
You can only chop out of being a Liverpool fan and blame the commercialism when we're doing well. If you chopped out in May 2005 then fair enough. If you chop out now you're a low down dirty lying gaytard who makes crap excuses for being a shit fan.
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I don't think people are chopping out of being Liverpool fans( well, I'm not anyway) they're just pointing out that the game's become something we're not overly enamoured with.

As an aside, the artmosphere at Anfield this season has reflected our form this season; fucking shit. Of course, I'm saying this from afar so I'm happy to be corrected by people who go every week.
 
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[quote author=Krump link=topic=43260.msg1236925#msg1236925 date=1293060004]
You can only chop out of being a Liverpool fan and blame the commercialism when we're doing well. If you chopped out in May 2005 then fair enough. If you chop out now you're a low down dirty lying gaytard who makes crap excuses for being a shit fan.
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I don't think people are chopping out of being Liverpool fans( well, I'm not anyway) they're just pointing out that the game's become something we're not overly enamoured with.

As an aside, the artmosphere at Anfield this season has reflected our form this season; fucking shit. Of course, I'm saying this from afar so I'm happy to be corrected by people who go every week.
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No you're right. The aways are predictably awful too. The worst they've ever been. I'm just waiting for a run of good form so I can get off the bus without falling under my own scrutiny. I feel hardly any connection to the club but wonder if I'm just telling that to myself because we're so shite.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=43260.msg1236928#msg1236928 date=1293060166]
[quote author=Krump link=topic=43260.msg1236925#msg1236925 date=1293060004]
You can only chop out of being a Liverpool fan and blame the commercialism when we're doing well. If you chopped out in May 2005 then fair enough. If you chop out now you're a low down dirty lying gaytard who makes crap excuses for being a shit fan.
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I don't think people are chopping out of being Liverpool fans( well, I'm not anyway) they're just pointing out that the game's become something we're not overly enamoured with.

As an aside, the artmosphere at Anfield this season has reflected our form this season; fucking shit. Of course, I'm saying this from afar so I'm happy to be corrected by people who go every week.
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No you're right. The aways are predictably awful too. The worst they've ever been. I'm just waiting for a run of good form so I can get off the bus without falling under my own scrutiny. I feel hardly any connection to the club but wonder if I'm just telling that to myself because we're so shite.
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I guess it's modern football, but so much of what made us marignally different (dare I say 'better'?) from every other two-bit football club in England has been wiped out over the last 5 odd years, and plenty of people are to blame.

Parry, Moores, G&H, Stevie G threatening to go to Chelsea, Rafa, expensive foreign flops, shit support, cunts like Pennant, etc etc etc...

And to watch us falling over ourselves desperately hoping for an Abramovic or a Mansour, so we could compete and fucking *be* like Chelsea or Man City is a sorry indictment of how far we've fallen.

We've been overtaken by everyone we used to be above, and it's all our own fault.

Merry Christmas everyone!
 
The killer for me is the agitprop mongs at SOS.

I mean ownership and personnel and transfer policy and tactics has always been out of my hands, but support - I thought we had a good one til we let this minority of weird failed unionists take over the superfan mantle.
 
I stopped going the match 2 years ago because of the following reasons (in order of biggest reason at the top):

- A realisation that I'd rather spend what precious little weekend time I had doing things with my kids.
- Ridiculous kick off times.
- Getting older. It's not that important to me as it was when I was 14.
- A feeling of 'Why am I paying money I haven't got to watch a gang of useless cunts get paid £100k a week to kick a ball around?"

Going the game became a chore. The only reason I did go was the social side of things, to meet Sunny and the other lads. I realised that if I made the effort, I could do that without paying £700 for the privilege.

I don't even watch us on the telly that much anymore but because my lad loves it, loves LFC, I'll tape the game for him and let him watch the games we win because he won't accept us getting beaten.

Thank God for Cartoon Network.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43260.msg1236940#msg1236940 date=1293061537]

...because my lad loves it, loves LFC, I'll tape the game for him...
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Ya big fucking 80's lord!
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43260.msg1236940#msg1236940 date=1293061537]

...because my lad loves it, loves LFC, I'll tape the game for him...
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Ya big fucking 80's lord!
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Nah, just proper old skool lid.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=43260.msg1236593#msg1236593 date=1293013027]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=43260.msg1236586#msg1236586 date=1293012089]
I think the football's every bit as good. It's the shit that surrounds it that blunt's the appetite. The endless hype, commercialism, inane punditry in the lead up means that there is little or no excitement or mystery about the opposition. We're all concentrated on the Armageddon that will certainly follow if we don't win or the star players body language or the Manager's pronouncements.

Sky can claim a cash rich business and product and point to undiminished attendances but some of the mystery and anticipation has been lost in my opinion.

My TV match days are now reduced to switching on minutes before the start of the game to avoid the pre-game chit chat.
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Agree with a lot of that.

The Rooney/Tevez sagas this year have summed up the current game for me.
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Totally agree with this. The sad thing is, the Rooney debacle has already been forgotten about. The Tevez situation won't last long either.
 
[quote author=Krump link=topic=43260.msg1236937#msg1236937 date=1293060948]
The killer for me is the agitprop mongs at SOS.

I mean ownership and personnel and transfer policy and tactics has always been out of my hands, but support - I thought we had a good one til we let this minority of weird failed unionists take over the superfan mantle.
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Thank god for 305
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43260.msg1236940#msg1236940 date=1293061537]
I stopped going the match 2 years ago because of the following reasons (in order of biggest reason at the top):

- A realisation that I'd rather spend what precious little weekend time I had doing things with my kids.
- Ridiculous kick off times.
- Getting older. It's not that important to me as it was when I was 14.
- A feeling of 'Why am I paying money I haven't got to watch a gang of useless cunts get paid £100k a week to kick a ball around?"

Going the game became a chore. The only reason I did go was the social side of things, to meet Sunny and the other lads. I realised that if I made the effort, I could do that without paying £700 for the privilege.

I don't even watch us on the telly that much anymore but because my lad loves it, loves LFC, I'll tape the game for him and let him watch the games we win because he won't accept us getting beaten.

Thank God for Cartoon Network.
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Pah, we need Jamo back to tell you what a shit fan you are.
 
I think there is a large dollop of truth in whats been said here, but it must also be accepted that were we running away with the league this season people would probably feel a little different. I left home 6 months ago and have been treking around the globe since, Ive only seen 2 games this season the Utd and Spurs matches, both games left me completely frustrated, not least because of the time i had to get up to watch them. When i talk to most of my liverpool supporting mates from back home Im relieved I dont get as much football coverage as they do know, its like a bad relationship at times you dont recognise football now as the thing you fell in love with but your programmed to need it at this stage no matter how awful it is.

Im in Sydney now, dont have Foxtel so dont see any of the games, I cant say that I miss it, I dont think i would ever pay to watch football on tv again at this point. Liverpool are still my team they always will be that will never change but I dont think I love football anymore, not the way I did anyway
 
We've got the most competitive Premier League in fucking years and here you are whining about one thing or another.

Liverpool aside, this has been an exciting season. I agree with the ignore the analysis and papers though. Just watch the matches and laugh at everything else.
 
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