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Alan Green on Liverpool

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[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=43837.msg1264345#msg1264345 date=1296110467]
Some people just really think most scousers are horrible, thick, unfunny, stabby, loud, bellends.

A lot of people hate Liverpool for the 5 year european ban.

A lot of people have the 'self pity city' view. Or that its insular and backwards while thinking itself to be cultural and important.

Others think Liverpudlians have an unfounded superiority complex.

Liverpool is hated loads! Its not jealousy! The thought of moving to Liverpool would be met with horror!

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And I'd rather stab myself in the bollocks daily than live down South. Most of the haters are the people who've never been here but, whatever, not arsed because we really don't give a fuck what other people think but we will stand up for ourselves.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43837.msg1264399#msg1264399 date=1296120395]
And I'd rather stab myself in the bollocks daily than live down South. Most of the haters are the people who've never been here but, whatever, not arsed because we really don't give a fuck what other people think but we will stand up for ourselves.
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Ian likes this.
 
Any time I have visited the South of England I have found the people largely unfriendly, arrogant and condescending, which I have often thought was partly due to an inbuilt anti Irish bias.
I have always felt welcomed and right at home in Liverpool and with her people
 
Liverpool is an odd place, and I like the way just saying the word can wind anyone from the rest of the UK up.

The level of local pride in the place is bizarre. Growing up I was convinced it was a world city. You know, New York, Liverpool, Tokyo. These were the important places, as described by local old people who'd never been anywhere else. When I started to read and think it really pissed me off and I started to hate the place for being so small minded and provincial... and then I started travelling and went and lived in London for a bit and then ended up spending quite a bit of time in New York... and something weird happened. I started to appreciate Liverpool a bit because it's just such a good place to go out and get drunk in. I still travel a lot and I'm one of these nobheads that tries to like places, wants to find the good stuff, but if I ever try to compare a city for it's ability to welcome you into boozy oblivion with my hometown, they always come up short. Liverpool is an incredibly flawed place with a crazy history, but if you want to go out and get hammered it's up there with the very best.
 
[quote author=the count link=topic=43837.msg1264422#msg1264422 date=1296121822]
Any time I have visited the South of England I have found the people largely unfriendly, arrogant and condescending, which I have often thought was partly due to an inbuilt anti Irish bias.
I have always felt welcomed and right at home in Liverpool and with her people
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Agree with this, they're a lot friendlier.

And I miss the river.
 
Have you ever been to Boston Krump ? I've always fancied a bar crawl round Boston, see what it's like. And no, not because of Cheers. I've no real rationale for this. From the places I've worked here are a few thoughts. New York / New Jersey is okayish, decent people. Orlando is a soulless plastic paradise but the people seemed warm enough. Washington was a complete hole. Prague is completely overrated and they'll try and rip you off at any turn. Amsterdam - is what it is but I love it. Sheveningen (the Zwarte Pad especially) near the Hague is party central in summer time. Top fun. Salzburg - really really enjoyed it there. Bizzies are a bit strict though. Galway - fantastic. Great people, great little city.

London - given up bevvying in the city there. Soulless, no-one talks to you and the only genuine people seem to be the taxi drivers.
 
Can't beat getting smashed in Liverpool. Good all day bender. Next best city id say Amsterdam is good too but I hear you can't smoke there anymore, which is a shame.
 
Yeah, I've only visited Boston for the day but managed to get drunk. You're right about Galway - that place rocks. Another great place to go out on the lash is Budapest. The best piss up I had last year was in Tokyo. I was sat drinking some shit called Black Horse with two ageing rockers who couldn't speak a word of English, discussing life the universe and everything via stick pictures on napkins. That bar was fucking ace.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43837.msg1263815#msg1263815 date=1296073151]
I used to find him very annoying because, although he's good at actually commentating, he'd waste half of every game grizzling and chuntering about something or other (e.g.during one game it was about too many wires on the commentary box floor). He doesn't seem to do that now, and as a describer of the game and of the atmosphere in the ground there's none better.

In answer to an earlier question, I was around during all the glory years and I don't remember us being resented as much as ManUre are these days. People would sometimes say it would be good for English football if other teams got a look-in, but that's as far as it went.
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Being of roughly the same vintage as JJ I have to agree with this. We were only really resented by the scum. I cant ever remember a press bias against us.

Regarding Alan Green, I have always liked him as a commentator. I liked him even more when I heard he was a red.


Come to think of it it I've always thought that radio commentators were far better than their TV counterparts.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43837.msg1264432#msg1264432 date=1296122665]
London - given up bevvying in the city there. Soulless, no-one talks to you and the only genuine people seem to be the taxi drivers.
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*coughs*
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43837.msg1264486#msg1264486 date=1296126652]
*coughs*
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The City Jon, the City. Not the whole of the London area.
 
[quote author=the count link=topic=43837.msg1264422#msg1264422 date=1296121822]
Any time I have visited the South of England I have found the people largely unfriendly, arrogant and condescending, which I have often thought was partly due to an inbuilt anti Irish bias.
I have always felt welcomed and right at home in Liverpool and with her people
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I've not encountered an in built Irish bias down south, particularly in London. In fact there are large swathes of North and West London where an Irish accent will be welcomed like they're at home. Of course when there was an IRA bombing campaign going on, there was a minority who would be awkward - my ex-girlfriend is Northern Irish and was spat a couple of times because of her accent but it was generally the mindless minority who would spoil for a fight with anybody.

London is the home of the plastic paddy!!!
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43837.msg1264432#msg1264432 date=1296122665]
Have you ever been to Boston Krump ? I've always fancied a bar crawl round Boston, see what it's like. And no, not because of Cheers. I've no real rationale for this. From the places I've worked here are a few thoughts. New York / New Jersey is okayish, decent people. Orlando is a soulless plastic paradise but the people seemed warm enough. Washington was a complete hole. Prague is completely overrated and they'll try and rip you off at any turn. Amsterdam - is what it is but I love it. Sheveningen (the Zwarte Pad especially) near the Hague is party central in summer time. Top fun. Salzburg - really really enjoyed it there. Bizzies are a bit strict though. Galway - fantastic. Great people, great little city.

London - given up bevvying in the city there. Soulless, no-one talks to you and the only genuine people seem to be the taxi drivers.
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I live in Boston, Sunny. I can confirm that it's a good place to get drunk in. Originally I'm from Bristol, England which I think suffers somewhat from the same ostricism from the general UK mentality. Essentially we are the bellends who can't read or write, but can drive a mean tractor. Also, our accent is probably the least attractive in the country giving us the outward appearance of folks greater than two standard deviations under the mean IQ.

At least the Liverpudlian accent is cool.
 
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=43837.msg1264632#msg1264632 date=1296134094]
I live in Boston, Sunny. I can confirm that it's a good place to get drunk in. Originally I'm from Bristol, England which I think suffers somewhat from the same ostricism from the general UK mentality. Essentially we are the bellends who can't read or write, but can drive a mean tractor. Also, our accent is probably the least attractive in the country giving us the outward appearance of folks greater than two standard deviations under the mean IQ.

At least the Liverpudlian accent is cool.
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Cool. If I'm ever Boston way I'll look you up. I like Bristol and have had a few good evenings out by the riverside. Although, on the accent, everytime I hear it I end up shouting in a proper Zummerset accent

"Don' get me pregnan', oi got work in the mornin' "

Can't help myself. Every. Time.


Sorry
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43837.msg1264646#msg1264646 date=1296134565]
Oh and Brummie accent is deffo the worst in the UK
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Definitely. Anyone see the second episode of this series Hustle? Horrendous..
 
I love Bristol. I think the Western port towns of Liverpool, Glasgow and Bristol have quite a bit in common.
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43837.msg1264580#msg1264580 date=1296131807]
I've not encountered an in built Irish bias down south, particularly in London. In fact there are large swathes of North and West London where an Irish accent will be welcomed like they're at home. Of course when there was an IRA bombing campaign going on, there was a minority who would be awkward - my ex-girlfriend is Northern Irish and was spat a couple of times because of her accent but it was generally the mindless minority who would spoil for a fight with anybody.

London is the home of the plastic paddy!!!


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Yea, to be fair a few of the lads here, Sunny being one of them I think, has said that it probably isn't an anti Irish bias but more generally a thing against any outsiders. Though I suspect there is a pecking order of who they look down upon, with the Irish and Scousers being close to the bottom of the heap. My observations are mostly based on time spent in and around the Oxford area so I will give you cockneys the benefit of the doubt. 😉
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43837.msg1264432#msg1264432 date=1296122665]
Have you ever been to Boston Krump ? I've always fancied a bar crawl round Boston, see what it's like. And no, not because of Cheers. I've no real rationale for this. From the places I've worked here are a few thoughts. New York / New Jersey is okayish, decent people. Orlando is a soulless plastic paradise but the people seemed warm enough. Washington was a complete hole. Prague is completely overrated and they'll try and rip you off at any turn. Amsterdam - is what it is but I love it. Sheveningen (the Zwarte Pad especially) near the Hague is party central in summer time. Top fun. Salzburg - really really enjoyed it there. Bizzies are a bit strict though. Galway - fantastic. Great people, great little city.

London - given up bevvying in the city there. Soulless, no-one talks to you and the only genuine people seem to be the taxi drivers.
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Washington's a great city.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=43837.msg1265153#msg1265153 date=1296169051]
Washington's a great city.
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Its been a good few years since I went there but it had a major crime issue when I was there.
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43837.msg1265162#msg1265162 date=1296169275]
Its been a good few years since I went there but it had a major crime issue when I was there.
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And it's been fine since. Go figure. 😉

Like any large city Washington has areas into which you don't go unless you have to, or at all if you're a tourist. There's a whole lot else besides, though, which is fascinating and/or beautiful. Go in April to see The Mall at cherry blossom time, or in late September/October, so you miss the increasingly muggy period between May and mid-September (from about mid-June to mid-September the weather can be positively brutal - Washington was basically built on a swamp).
 
Last Wednesday the town of Bolton fell silent for the funeral of Nat Lofthouse who, for seventy years of his life, was a devoted servant to the Wanderers in various roles. Bolton loved him as he did them.

And he was a huge reminder of a much-missed past when there was a host of one-club players. Displaying unquestioned loyalty, they never gave a thought to the ‘advantages’ of defecting.

Even when they did ‘think’ — Preston’s Tom Finney was once attracted by riches promised by an Italian club — they were easily dissuaded.

Sadly, times have changed and this season we’ve had some of the worst examples of players betraying the clubs they profess to love or, at least, threatening to — first Rooney, then Tevez and now Torres. Fans must be sick of hearing things said that are supposedly true only to find out that they’re not.

On January 9 2011 Torres said: “My head is only with Liverpool, I have not considered leaving: I am professional and always fulfil my deals. Now, more than ever, we need to stick together.â€

How can you argue if fans today think he’s a traitor?

Me? My cynicism towards footballers grows by the day. Every time I see a ‘badge being kissed’ makes me want to throw up because, usually and overwhelmingly, I know it’s a lie.

Has the Spaniard a defence? Well, clearly, his disenchantment at Anfield goes back a while to the Hicks/Gillett era of false promises. To be fair, most were taken in by that pair.

And who could have been ‘inspired’ by the shocking six-month reign of Roy Hodgson?

But Torres’ timing was appalling and an insult to the club that employed him and, more importantly, the fans that embraced him. Had he made his transfer request at the beginning of January, Liverpool could have avoided the last minute scramble in the market: that was Torres’ fault.

So, too, was the evident lack of effort he showed in recent months. Okay, you might not think much of your manager (Hodgson) but you surely owe it to the supporters. They will remember?

Kenny Dalglish, rightly, is interested only in players that want to be at Liverpool. He wouldn’t want a major figure sulking around the place till the end of the season. And, even though they’ve signed a great player, that’s a problem Chelsea will now have with Drogba and Anelka.

Liverpool? I believe they’ve come out of it pretty well. Though it’s a huge price to pay for a player that isn’t yet the finished article, the counter-argument is that Dalglish has signed someone who’ll be playing for England for the next 10 years. Andy Carroll is a great prospect.

And, when you count up all the fees involved (you can’t always trust what you’re told) — Carroll £35m, Suarez £22m, Torres £50m and Babel £6m — Liverpool come out pretty even.

They’ve allowed two unhappy or under-performing players to leave and bought two, both young with potential, that fit into the NESV game plan
: the owners made a huge statement of intent in how they reacted to the mess created by Torres. That’s pretty good business to me.

I’ll be at Stamford Bridge on Sunday: the Spaniard in a blue shirt faced by a returning Jamie Carragher? Should be interesting?
 
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