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My problem isn't with them asking for a lot of money, it's with this impression that we're making a poor offer because they only own 75% of his sell on value. If the player starts agitating for a move, they can't claim it's because we haven't offered enough, it's because of their own greed. Fair enough I suppose, it's just the language around the whole thing that annoys me.
 
Its only our problem if we pay it.

Don't be asking me 10 grand for a car I can buy down the road for 7.5 grand, just because you promised the previous owner 2.5 grand.
 
Source:Wikipedia

Lallana was a member of the Bournemouth Centre of Excellence, where his rich potential was eventually spotted by a talent scout from Southampton, with Lallana snapped up by the Premier League club, joining the Saints Academy as a 12-year old in 2000. Southampton paid £3,000 compensation to Bournemouth with further payments of £5,000 and £10,000 when he signed scholarship and professional contracts respectively. [3]

So whether its 20 or 25 million Southampton will make a massive profit. But its still up to them to set a price. I'd imagine it'll be sorted soon.
 
I think everyone knows they can value him how they like, the point is that we shouldn't let their clause issue dictate that we should pay more. We can't exactly take the stance of "well we value him at £25m, but we'll pay an extra £5m because Southampton fucked up", it might take a bit of bargaining, but no one genuinely thinks Southampton should just sell, by the same token, it would be fucking naive to think we should just pay it.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
Brendan has got a lot of transfers wrong. I don't trust him fully with transfers yet.
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IMHO I don't think he has :

from http://www.lfchistory.net/Transfers/ByManager/25-1

Player Club Fee Date
Fabio Borini Roma £10,400,000 13-Jul-12
Joe Allen Swansea City £15,000,000 10-Aug-12
Oussama Assaidi Heerenveen £3,000,000 17-Aug-12
Nuri Sahin Real Madrid On Loan 25-Aug-12
Samed Yesil Bayer Leverkusen £1,000,000 30-Aug-12
Daniel Sturridge Chelsea £12,000,000 02-Jan-13
Philippe Coutinho Inter Milan £8,500,000 30-Jan-13
João Carlos Teixeira Sporting Lisbon £830,000 31-Jan-13
Luis Alberto Sevilla £6,800,000 22-Jun-13
Iago Aspas Celta Vigo £7,000,000 23-Jun-13
Simon Mignolet Sunderland £9,000,000 25-Jun-13
Kolo Touré Free Transfer Free 02-Jul-13
Aly Cissokho Loan Fee £850,000
Mamadou Sakho Paris St Germain £15,000,000 02-Sep-13
Tiago Ilori Sporting Lisbon £7,000,000 02-Sep-13
Victor Moses Loan Fee £1,500,000
Rickie Lambert Southampton £4,500,000 02-Jun-14

All managers have a hit and miss record. All. Even if we list Ferguson's transfers then I think you'll find the same. All in all I think Rodgers has a more than decent record.

From that list there are :

A few loans (which in my book don't count, they are only here for one season, if they work out great if not then they make up the numbers and leave at the end of the season - which is exactly what has happened),
There are some superb buys (Sturridge, Coutinho)
Some Good to OK (Allen & Mignolet - though still an improvement over Reina),
Some youngsters for the future which may or may not work out (Borini, Ilori, Sakho, Teixeira, Alberto) but which we are unlikely to lose money on,
A couple of low cost gambles (Yesil - lots of injuries and Assaidi - who we will make a profit on),
A free transfer (Toure) and ...
A few failures (Aspas and errrrr Aspas).
 
jexykrodic said:
Fuck him off and get a proper manager?
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No, why would you do that? It's not an all or nothing. Managers can be good at some things, great at others, and poor at others.

So far Rodgers has proven good at transfers, but far from perfect. Admittedly there isn't a lot to go on so far, and he should find it easier to get better players this window.
 
Jack D Rips said:
Its only our problem if we pay it.

Don't be asking me 10 grand for a car I can buy down the road for 7.5 grand, just because you promised the previous owner 2.5 grand.
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i ll say it is Lallana's (that he wont be able to play for us) and Southampton's (because they will keep a player against his wishes, a player who has been so loyal with them till now) problem...so I would say get the fuck away from Lallana and simply target other players from other markets
 
Frogfish said:
IMHO I don't think he has :

from http://www.lfchistory.net/Transfers/ByManager/25-1

Player Club Fee Date
Fabio Borini Roma £10,400,000 13-Jul-12
Joe Allen Swansea City £15,000,000 10-Aug-12
Oussama Assaidi Heerenveen £3,000,000 17-Aug-12
Nuri Şahin Real Madrid On Loan 25-Aug-12
Samed Yesil Bayer Leverkusen £1,000,000 30-Aug-12
Daniel Sturridge Chelsea £12,000,000 02-Jan-13
Philippe Coutinho Inter Milan £8,500,000 30-Jan-13
João Carlos Teixeira Sporting Lisbon £830,000 31-Jan-13
Luis Alberto Sevilla £6,800,000 22-Jun-13
Iago Aspas Celta Vigo £7,000,000 23-Jun-13
Simon Mignolet Sunderland £9,000,000 25-Jun-13
Kolo Touré Free Transfer Free 02-Jul-13
Aly Cissokho
Loan Fee £850,000
Mamadou Sakho Paris St Germain £15,000,000 02-Sep-13
Tiago Ilori Sporting Lisbon £7,000,000 02-Sep-13
Victor Moses
Loan Fee £1,500,000
Rickie Lambert Southampton £4,500,000 02-Jun-14

All managers have a hit and miss record. All. If we list Ferguson's transfers then I think you'll find the same. All in all I think Rodgers has a more than decent record.​
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From that list there are a few loans (which in my book don't count, they are only here for one season, if they work out great if not then they make of the numbers and leave at the end of the season - which is exactly what has happened), there are some superb buys (Sturridge, Coutinho) some middling (Allen & Mignolet - though still an improvement over Reina), some youngsters for the future which may or may not work out (Borini, Ilori, Sakho, Teixeira, Alberto) but which we are unlikely to lose money on, a couple of low cost gambles (Yesil - lots of injuries and Assaidi - who we will make a profit on), a free transfer (Toure) and a few failures (Aspas and errrrr Aspas).​
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I haven't said anything different to you. He's got some wrong.
 
Jack D Rips said:
Its only our problem if we pay it.

Don't be asking me 10 grand for a car I can buy down the road for 7.5 grand, just because you promised the previous owner 2.5 grand.
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i ll say it is Lallana's (that he wont be able to play for us) and Southampton's (because they will keep a player against his wishes, a player who has been so loyal with them till now) problem...so I would say get the fuck away from Lallana and simply target other players from other markets
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
No, why would you do that? It's not an all or nothing. Managers can be good at some things, great at others, and poor at others.

So far Rodgers has proven good at transfers, but far from perfect. Admittedly there isn't a lot to go on so far, and he should find it easier to get better players this window.
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I think you've been whooshed. Well I hope you have.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
I haven't said anything different to you. He's got some wrong.
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Well you said "Brendan has got a lot of transfers wrong" which I disagree with. I think he has got one wrong, loans are always hit and miss and I don't think you can classify them as transfers in the full sense of the word. Glad you also think "So far Rodgers has proven good at transfers" though !
 
Frogfish said:
Well you said "Brendan has got a lot of transfers wrong" which I disagree with. I think he has got one wrong, loans are always hit and miss and I don't think you can classify them as transfers in the full sense of the word. Glad you also think "So far Rodgers has proven good at transfers" though !
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Aspas, Moses, Borini, Alberto, Assaidi, Sahin, Cissokho, Toure have all added next to nothing.

Yes, most are on the cheaper end of the scale, but they're still people he decided to sign and they haven't worked out as well as he (presumably) hoped.

He shouldn't get a carte blanche to sign who he wants for whatever amount he wants, that's my only point. And the same would go for pretty much any manager, especially given our budget constraints.

And thankfully he's not being given that power.
 
They are basically doing what we did to Suarez. So why should we act all high and mighty?
Our bid failed, let's move on.
 
Modo said:
They are basically doing what we did to Suarez. So why should we act all high and mighty?
Our bid failed, let's move on.
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Is anyone acting all high and mighty?

But yes, give it til the end of the week, then move on.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
No, why would you do that? It's not an all or nothing. Managers can be good at some things, great at others, and poor at others.

So far Rodgers has proven good at transfers, but far from perfect. Admittedly there isn't a lot to go on so far, and he should find it easier to get better players this window.
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All our managers have fucked up on transfers, they just get more expensive as the years roll on, it's a difficult place to be in some respects. We throw £70m his way and trust his instincts, it goes swimmingly - brilliant, it goes pear shaped and we've got another scenario on our hands where we've gone overboard with a manager on the back of one (admittedly amazing) season. What can yer do?

Going off Rodgers' current trend, last seasons signings will be a success this season. This seasons signings will be a success, next season.
 
Mystic said:
Is anyone acting all high and mighty?

But yes, give it til the end of the week, then move on.
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I think some people do, they kinda expect the lesser clubs to do what we want, which is a bit of an arrogant attitude, why should they? They have to get the best deal for their club, and we've been proven to be chumps too many times in the transfer market. Like I said though, it's a tough situation, we lose out on him and it's another transfer failure for the Football Manager dullards to throw at us, we overpay and he fails to live up to expectations and we've got another expensive mess to mop up.
 
Rodgers has got too many wrongs to fully trust him in the transfer market. Aspas, Borini, Assaidi and Alberto are a few names that shouldn't been here in the first place.
 
If we sign 4 playres in this window and even 1 of them lives to his true potential it will be a big thing. I am expecting players from the last 2 windows to perform better in this season.
 
Insignificance said:
Rodgers has got too many wrongs to fully trust him in the transfer market. Aspas, Borini, Assaidi and Alberto are a few names that shouldn't been here in the first place.
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I agree, BUT, in Rodgers defence, how many of those were his first or did he have to make do with?

We/Rodgers also bid for:

Diego Costa - HIT
Willian - hit
Mkhitaryan - hit
Konoplyanka - hit
Lallana - hit

For all we know, it could be Ayre fucking him up, or the board not keen on spending the cash?
 
Mors said:
I agree, BUT, in Rodgers defence, how many of those were his first or did he have to make do with?

We/Rodgers also bid for:

Diego Costa - HIT
Willian - hit
Mkhitaryan - hit
Konoplyanka - hit
Lallana - hit

For all we know, it could be Ayre fucking him up, or the board not keen on spending the cash?
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We should bid for Ronaldo and Messi this summer, we won't get them, but it'll look good for Rodgers.
 
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