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Adam Johnson Held Over Sex Claim

Such BS you shouldn't be shouting about stuff you know SFA about. It is only statutory rape if she is under 13 years old. Otherwise it is consensual sex with a minor.


thanks for clearing that up, i did think it sounded a little strange..
 
So you've no problem with him allegedly grooming 15 year olds on the Internet until a court says he's a rapist?

I'd have a huge problem with him doing it, but until someone proves its true, I'd just be believing the accusation of someone I don't know over the denial of someone else I don't know, without any form of knowledge on what's taken place, which is just ridiculous.
 
thanks for clearing that up, i did think it sounded a little strange..

Except it didn't clear anything up.

A minor cannot consent under any circumstances to have sex. And if you Google what Froggies term is, it probably is one of the definitions of statutory rape.
 
Such BS, you really shouldn't be shouting so load about stuff you obviously know SFA about. It is only statutory rape if she is under 13 years old. Otherwise it is consensual sex with a minor.

I'm no expert, as you say, but pretty sure this says I'm right:

In English law, the Sexual Offences Act 2003 removes the element of consent from the actus reus of many offences, so that only the act itself and the age or other constraints need to be proved, including:
children under 16 years generally, and under 18 years if having sexual relations with persons in a position of trust or with family members over 18 years; and
persons with a mental disorder that impedes choice who are induced, threatened or deceived, or who have sexual relations with care workers.
 
Except it didn't clear anything up.

A minor cannot consent under any circumstances to have sex. And if you Google what Froggies term is, it probably is one of the definitions of statutory rape.

Maybe it fixed it for him though.
 
Until someone proves its true, no, otherwise I'd just be believing the accusation of someone I don't know over the denial of someone else I don't know.

What do you think the first thing the police did was?

A) check the social media messages between the pair to see if any of this could possibly be true

B) raid the house and send in a scene of crime team on the basis of one girls complaint

You need to be a bit dim to think it's B
 
Nope, it's not. Found some others including one that is the same as the one the shitrag used in their article today.
It is..

This is his wife, which Ross mentioned he said it was..

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What do you think the first thing the police did was?

A) check the social media messages between the pair to see if any of this could possibly be true

B) raid the house and send in a scene of crime team on the basis of one girls complaint

You need to be a bit dim to think it's B
So everyone that gets arrested is guilty of their crime? Even the ones that get proven innocent in court? I thought that as a lawyer you might have understood that thankfully the police aren't the judges of our society, in fact the judges themselves are. He probably is guilty, but that's not the point, I'm going to wait until I've seen more than a claim and a counter claim from two people I have no knowledge of before condemning him, I wish society would do the same.
 
Froggie is probably never returning to England now

Ha ha ha !

What Johnson did or didn't do is just conjecture at this stage, eventually the truth will come out.

However I was far more interested in the social mores of different cultures. Fascinating stuff.
 
I'm no expert, as you say, but pretty sure this says I'm right:

In English law, the Sexual Offences Act 2003 removes the element of consent from the actus reus of many offences, so that only the act itself and the age or other constraints need to be proved, including:
children under 16 years generally, and under 18 years if having sexual relations with persons in a position of trust or with family members over 18 years; and
persons with a mental disorder that impedes choice who are induced, threatened or deceived, or who have sexual relations with care workers.

Nope it doesn't. Under 13 for statutory rape.

I forget the actual term for sex with an under 16 girl, 'Unlawful Sexual Intercourse' or 'Sexual activity with a child'.
 
I'm sure you're right, just provide the link to the law and I'll check.

I do still find it funny who is arguing this, it's all people who are guilty or may have been guilty of it themselves.

And you know that how ? Or are you just casting aspersions ? In which case you can go fuck yourself.
 
So everyone that gets arrested is guilty of their crime? Even the ones that get proven innocent in court? I thought that as a lawyer you might have understood that thankfully the police aren't the judges of our society, in fact the judges themselves are. He probably is guilty, but that's not the point, I'm going to wait until I've seen more than a claim and a counter claim from two people I have no knowledge of before condemning him, I wish society would do the same.

You're making a ridiculous straw man argument.
 
Wow.

Many people have admitted to it in this thread, were you not one of them? You're getting very angry about this....

Instead of just casting wild aspersions go and find the post where I said anything of the kind. I will then consider accepting your apology, or not, when you obviously can't.

Do you make accusations like this against anyone debating anything you don't agree with (e.g. pro-abortionsists, because obviously they must have all had abortions right). Or is it just in under-age sex debates ?
 
I admit I may well have slept with someone under 16 when I used to go on the pull between 17-19 in town. Most of the girls me & my mate met were the same age or thereabouts & cos I had my own place everyone would end up back at mine.

I never once looked at anyone's ids, not that you really needed them to get into bars then anyway.

I'm just being honest, I bet most of you fucked countless girls when you were younger & went to town & never asked the girls age. We were just interested in getting the highest number of fucks that week! Fuck, the first question we used to ask was what school they used to go to & they usually asked the same, they often said they were in sixth form, but who the fuck knows if that was true!
 
I admit I may well have slept with someone under 16 when I used to go on the pull between 17-19 in town. Most of the girls me & my mate met were the same age or thereabouts & cos I had my own place everyone would end up back at mine.

I never once looked at anyone's ids, not that you really needed them to get into bars then anyway.

I'm just being honest, I bet most of you fucked countless girls when you were younger & went to town & never asked the girls age. We were just interested in getting the highest number of fucks that week! Fuck, the first question we used to ask was what school they used to go to & they usually asked the same, they often said they were in sixth form, but who the fuck knows if that was true!

I think we both know most people on the Internet haven't fucked countless women
 
Instead of just casting wild aspersions go and find the post where I said anything of the kind. I will then consider accepting your apology, or not, when you obviously can't.

Do you make accusations like this against anyone debating anything you don't agree with (e.g. pro-abortionsists, because obviously they must have all had abortions right). Or is it just in under-age sex debates ?


I think it was the reference to "horny school-girls" that made me think it.
 
Your missing the painfully obvious

As are you, it seems we've reached an impasse. You continue assuming everyone who gets arrested is definitely guilty, I'll continue being ignorant and waiting to read some details about what's actually happened before condemning someone.
 
I think we both know most people on the Internet haven't fucked countless women
Hahaha. Probably true. The majority on here are red blooded males who go out for a drink at the weekend, I only know one lad that fits that description who didn't go out on the pull as a teenager.

It can't just be Liverpool either, we went on the pull in a few cities & towns & rarely did anyone strike out.

Being young was boss, getting shit faced & high almost every night of the week & going into town Thursday Friday & Saturday on the pull. I remember thinking the world had ended if I couldn't get out to town at the weekend or get to a rave every couple of weeks.
 
Years ago when I was DJing my mate found out he'd fucked a 15 year old backstage... she went and told her mates who told their mates, next thing people were asking me for his address and stuff... This was pre internet... thank god... He didn't even get her kit off, by his own admission it lasted about a minute. He was shitting himself for ages but it went away. There was no way he'd have thought she was under age. I don't think it's rape just because someone drew an arbritray line in the sand... she came back stage because she wanted fucking by him... at least she thought she did. Imagine perving over someone for ages and then getting banged for like 45 seconds and that's that. Anyways, I digress.

As I recall Graham Rix took a 15 year old girl home from a nightclub and ended up in jail... It's not like you can sue the doormen who shouldn't have let her in. Or maybe you can, but that's after the fact. Rosco?
 
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