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A Star in the Making’ – Liverpool’s Chris Mavinga

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A Star in the Making’ – Liverpool’s Chris Mavinga


After playing in France’s Under 18 side, Chris Mavinga was seen as one of the hottest young prospective defenders in French football. Last summer, a race was on to sign the full back before he had been tied down to a full time professional contract in France. Paris Saint-Germain had coached the youngster from a young age through their youth ranks but it was out of their hands when larger European clubs became involved in signing the youngster. Like any young French prospect, Arsenal were interested in signing the player and Gilles Grimandi, Arsenal’s scout in France, had already told Arsene Wenger about the youngster’s abilities.

It was a tremendous surprise then, back in July, when Liverpool secured the signing of the French under 18 international full back. It was seen as a tremendous achievement for Rafa Benitez as he had taken the play right under the noses of the London club. The Reds had to pay compensation to PSG for acquiring his services, but it was seen as a small price to pay for securing the signature of one of the most exciting young defensive prospects in France.

At 18, Mavinga was put straight into the Liverpool reserves at Melwood rather than being sent to the Academy at Kirkby and he has proceeded this season to establish himself in the reserves starting eleven. Not speaking a word of English, Mavinga has had to settle in rather quickly, and on top of this he has had to cope from moving from his favoured left back position to playing centre back. At 6ft, Mavinga has the physical attributes to play the position and during the current reserves season, he has more often than not played in the centre of defence.

Reserve team coach John McMahon has been tremendously impressed with the young French defender and he has emphasised that both his attitude and consistency have made him one of the stand out players as Liverpool reserves sit top of the Premier Reserve League North at the winter break:

"Chris has shown a lot of good things in his game and he has been fantastic all season. He is new to this country and he couldn’t speak a word of English at the start but he has worked really hard to adapt here and learn the language quickly. What was really pleasing for me was he was constantly talking in English against Everton".

His performance especially against Everton reserves in the “mini-derby†at the start of November has been the high of Mavinga’s season so far and brought praise from David Fairclough who nominated him the man of the match after the 1-0 win. Playing alongside Victor Palsson, a makeshift centre-back for the night, the pair made it very difficult for Everton to break through and Mavinga’s qualities shone through during the match. A good tackler, he covers the pitch very well using his pace, strength and determination. He also has a good range of passing which is essential for any modern day defender, and if he keeps working hard, he will certainly been knocking on the door of the first team.

Whether his future will be at centre-back is another question. McMahon believes that his preferred position of left-back maybe where his future still lies:

"Playing at left back might be his position. He is comfortable playing at centre back or left back".

In either position though, Mavinga’s combination of physical attributes such as height, speed and tackling ability, combined with both his attitude and determination, make the likelihood of him progressing quickly and moving towards first team action much greater and we will see in the next year or two whether he develops into a consummate left back or centre half.
 
Yes lets buy a promising left back and play him at centre half. Fucking dopes
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=38393.msg1031551#msg1031551 date=1263242727]
If they see Mavinga's likely future role as LB, where do they envisage Buchtmann fitting in?
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LM it seems
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=38393.msg1031551#msg1031551 date=1263242727]
If they see Mavinga's likely future role as LB, where do they envisage Buchtmann fitting in?
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Left midfield maybe JJ:

Buchtmann presently plays at left back for Liverpool, but has on many occasions played as a left winger for Germany, including games during the European U-17 championships. It is a curious thing about German players these days that a country that has been so known for their defensive attributes; they are now producing more attacking minded players in all positions than ever before. In an interview with FIFA.com, his friend and German team-mate Mario Goetze commented on the pair of them:

Christopher is very strong going forward – he could even play as a left winger. As for getting back to defend…well, let’s say it’s not our strong suit.
So in the future, Buchtmann may well be transformed into a left winger rather than a left back, but with his ability to cross the ball with such fantastic skill and accuracy that could not be a bad thing. The young German is already excited about training with the first team this season:
 
[quote author=refugee link=topic=38393.msg1031585#msg1031585 date=1263247537]
Seen him a few times now, seems like a good Troare
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looks forward to some truely spectacular own goals
 
[quote author=the count link=topic=38393.msg1031635#msg1031635 date=1263251721]
[quote author=refugee link=topic=38393.msg1031585#msg1031585 date=1263247537]
Seen him a few times now, seems like a good Troare
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looks forward to some truely spectacular own goals
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I think he scored a great one on his debut actually, still looks good though and has decent pace
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=38393.msg1031560#msg1031560 date=1263243527]
Thanks for that mate.

Pity these two aren't a bit older.
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Not sure if age should come into things JJ.
If they are good enough they are old enough.
Look at the ages of Owen, Fowler, Gerrard , Rooney and Torres even when they broke through they were sixteens and seventeens. Carra was 18.

regards
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38393.msg1031550#msg1031550 date=1263242714]
Yes lets buy a promising left back and play him at centre half. Fucking dopes
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Yeah, what's the point of teaching them to defend properly so they don't end up defending like Insua and Johnson. Dummies.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38393.msg1031657#msg1031657 date=1263256500]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=38393.msg1031560#msg1031560 date=1263243527]
Thanks for that mate.

Pity these two aren't a bit older.
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Not sure if age should come into things JJ.
If they are good enough they are old enough.
Look at the ages of Owen, Fowler, Gerrard , Rooney and Torres even when they broke through they were sixteens and seventeens. Carra was 18.

regards
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Agree in part, Vlad. I'd prefer to bring these lads in when we were on form rather than struggling for it, but I take your overall point.
 
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38393.msg1031550#msg1031550 date=1263242714]
Yes lets buy a promising left back and play him at centre half. Fucking dopes
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Yeah, what's the point of teaching them to defend properly so they don't end up defending like Insua and Johnson. Dummies.
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What's playing a LB at CB got to do with teaching someone how to defend properly. Maybe concentrate on teaching him how to play and defend in his nominated position might help. Oh I forgot. Pothibilities
 
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[quote author=drizzt link=topic=38393.msg1031685#msg1031685 date=1263263317]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38393.msg1031550#msg1031550 date=1263242714]
Yes lets buy a promising left back and play him at centre half. Fucking dopes
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Yeah, what's the point of teaching them to defend properly so they don't end up defending like Insua and Johnson. Dummies.
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What's playing a LB at CB got to do with teaching someone how to defend properly. Maybe concentrate on teaching him how to play and defend in his nominated position might help. Oh I forgot. Pothibilities
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Buy a book, it'll explain better than I can.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38393.msg1032066#msg1032066 date=1263329790]
I hear The Kama Sutra is quite informative.
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It's probably the best if you want to learn how to play in the hole.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38393.msg1032042#msg1032042 date=1263327537]
[quote author=drizzt link=topic=38393.msg1031685#msg1031685 date=1263263317]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38393.msg1031550#msg1031550 date=1263242714]
Yes lets buy a promising left back and play him at centre half. Fucking dopes
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Yeah, what's the point of teaching them to defend properly so they don't end up defending like Insua and Johnson. Dummies.
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What's playing a LB at CB got to do with teaching someone how to defend properly. Maybe concentrate on teaching him how to play and defend in his nominated position might help. Oh I forgot. Pothibilities
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Yep that's right. What sort of idiot coach would try and play an 18 year old in anything but his "nominated" position. It's not as if he might develop attributes better suited to other positions or anything.
 
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=38393.msg1032169#msg1032169 date=1263353210]

Yep that's right. What sort of idiot coach would try and play an 18 year old in anything but his "nominated" position. It's not as if he might develop attributes better suited to other positions or anything.

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Bollocks. Let's start playing Dalle Valle in midfield or defence then eh ? So we can develop other attributes in his game. Get him a pair of goalie gloves while you're at it.
 
Whether his future will be at centre-back is another question. McMahon believes that his preferred position of left-back maybe where his future still lies:

"Playing at left back might be his position. He is comfortable playing at centre back or left back".


Whereas he may be 'comfortable' playing at CB the coaching staff believe he's a LB so why persevere with him at CB ?
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38393.msg1032286#msg1032286 date=1263377975]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=38393.msg1032169#msg1032169 date=1263353210]

Yep that's right. What sort of idiot coach would try and play an 18 year old in anything but his "nominated" position. It's not as if he might develop attributes better suited to other positions or anything.

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Bollocks. Let's start playing Dalle Valle in midfield or defence then eh ? So we can develop other attributes in his game. Get him a pair of goalie gloves while you're at it.
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Right. Carragher started out in Midfield. Didn't Gerrard start off as a RB. Your're talking absolute nonsense and you should know much better than that.
 
Come on Sunny, this is hardly uncommon practice.

There is nothing that wrong with promoting a bit of versatility and encouraging players to build on attributes they might not do when played in their most comfortable position. We've done it with a lot of players at reserves level, like San Jose & Hobbs who played in midfield, Pacheco who has played lots of positions including CM, Ecclestone out wide etc.

Martin Kelly is a CB, but has played fullback on numerous occasions and following that one appearance in the CL, every man and his dog now wants him catapulted into the first team at RB.
 
We harp on again and again about playing senior players out of position but when it's done to a kid it's acceptable,. Sorry guys can't agree to that. Playing the odd game out of position fine but developing a kid out of position seems wrong to me. I'm sure the coaches know best what's good for the kids but the whole thing seems wrong given how we've suffered with square pegs and round holes in the past
 
When it comes to senior players, I think it mainly gets picked up on when that player is blatantly unsuited to the position or just isn't performing as well as he might. Additionally, there is no element of development to consider, so you're obviously going to only focus on the here and now - and that's the current performance of the player / team.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38393.msg1032306#msg1032306 date=1263379316]
We harp on again and again about playing senior players out of position but when it's done to a kid it's acceptable,. Sorry guys can't agree to that. Playing the odd game out of position fine but developing a kid out of position seems wrong to me. I'm sure the coaches know best what's good for the kids but the whole thing seems wrong given how we've suffered with square pegs and round holes in the past
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Isn't the entire philosophy of Total Football and the structure of Academies like Ajax, that youngsters are brought up to play in as many different positions as possible before specialising when their older.

You look at players like Carragher, and they didn't develop into CB's until later in their career. The time to try these boys out in different positions is when they're young. Pbviously Mavinga has the technique & physical attributes as a full back and a centre half. It's pretty common for full backs to play as centre backs and vice versa. You'll find plenty of examples.
 
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