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20 years since the last league title

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spider-Neil

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and closing in on the 26 years that it took manu to win their first league title since the last one.
what's really despressing is right here right now are we any closer to winning the league than when rafa first took over? another thing that is despressing is there are now a lot of liverpool fans who weren't even BORN when we last won the league title.
 
Bang goes my good mood.
*sticks on harry belafonte*
shake shake shake señora shake a body line....
 
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=38856.msg1051966#msg1051966 date=1265721862]
Is this really necessary Spidey?
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you don't find that depressing? fair enough, I guess.
 
Great. Just as the team are turning things around a fucking depressing post to make us feel shit. It's not news Spidey. We know. So what's the point apart from making everyone feel grim ?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38856.msg1051968#msg1051968 date=1265721978]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=38856.msg1051966#msg1051966 date=1265721862]
Is this really necessary Spidey?
[/quote]

you don't find that depressing? fair enough, I guess.
[/quote]Face.palm.interface
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38856.msg1051968#msg1051968 date=1265721978]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=38856.msg1051966#msg1051966 date=1265721862]
Is this really necessary Spidey?
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you don't find that depressing? fair enough, I guess.
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Of course I do.

The timing however is baaaaaaaaad.

Can't we just enjoy a great Derby-win a few days without having to linger in our shortcomings of the past?
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38856.msg1051970#msg1051970 date=1265722078]
And to make matters worse, we're all going to die one day.

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That made me laugh out loud. Cheers Keni.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38856.msg1051970#msg1051970 date=1265722078]
And to make matters worse, we're all going to die one day.

[/quote]In other news the polar ice caps are melting. Planets fucked *shrugs*
 
The disturbance in The Force suggests that Brendan and myself may not be in a good for much longer.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38856.msg1051971#msg1051971 date=1265722123]
Great. Just as the team are turning things around a fucking depressing post to make us feel shit. It's not news Spidey. We know. So what's the point apart from making everyone feel grim ?
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to be fair we came really really close last season. kind of ironic, when I thought we'd struggle we actually challenged and when I thought we'd challenge (this season) we've struggled. ho hum.
 
I didn't think we'd challenge this year as we just didn't push on and invest in the team like we should have. No excuses for this years overall form though
 
just for the sake of convesation, I don't remember celebrating the last league win at all. I remember being absolutely devastated at arsenal wining the league with the last kick of the season the year before so you think I'd be over the moon winning the league the following season but I seem to recall I was very 'meh' at the last win.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38856.msg1051980#msg1051980 date=1265722448]
I didn't think we'd challenge this year as we just didn't push on and invest in the team like we should have. No excuses for this years overall form though
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I thought we'd challenge as we'd bought a top class right back to replace arbeloa. I thought we'd feel the loss of alonso but not THAT badly. the team is practically the same alonso/lucas - arbeloa/johnson are the big changes this season. torres and gerrard have been injuried but they were injuried last season too and we still came close.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=38856.msg1051983#msg1051983 date=1265722508]
If I was a mod I'd make this thread vanish.
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its not THAT depressing
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=38856.msg1051976#msg1051976 date=1265722255]
The disturbance in The Force suggests that Brendan and myself may not be in a good for much longer.
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You card read good.
 
Facepalm.jpg
 
its been a long 20 years with a lot of good and bad memories along the way.

highlights include
* the emergence of macca, gerrard, fowler and owen (that is a good crop in 20 years)
* signing sami
* the treble season - with the CC being the first cup won for 6 years
* CL win

lows include
* 96 final loss to the manc (white suits *shudder*)
* gh heart attack
* CL final loss
 
the entire landscape of football has changed since the last title we won, its not enough now to have a decent manager and some top players who give their all for the club. Its about revenue streams wealthy bankrollers, 70,000 seater stadiums with corporate boxes pulling in millions, squads with millionaire internationals sitting on the bench.

The the formation of the Sky/Premier league the game changed, it became global, a brand, it was the death of the small provincial club like Forest or Ipswich as a force in football, and its unlikely we will ever see that again. Utd after their years in the wilderness were lucky enough to be riding high at the time and became the poster boys for the "new" football they embraced it, expanded their ground floated the club on the stock exchange and became a money producing bohemoth that never looked back with gigantic sporship deals and 3 replica shirts a season crass commercialism, funding the world class talent that they brought in over the last 15 years.

The rest of the league were left playing catch up. We seemed to think it was a fad, a thing that would pass, just keep doing what we always did and success would return we were told. The game may have changed but the basics havent, continuity, family club etc. That led to old boys like Souness and Evans taking the reigns. It didnt, we floundered, and with each season the gap seemed to grow until we were not considered real title contenders. Other clubs, notably Arsenal, moved on mordernised, saw the writing on the wall and tried to adapt, we didnt.

Then the era of the oligarchs arrived and it was clear that a change was required, probably a decade to late in a club that had become reactionary rather than one at the vangaurd. No longer could a club, whatever its history, compete for the best talent on their name alone, we needed revenue. So we put out faith in the hands of two busniess men who promised to be custodians of the club and build that stadium that could see us finally return to our former glories.

And so thats where we are now, constantly struggling to keep up, pushing the boulder up the hill every few years to build a title winning side only to see it roll back down again at a critical point. And as the clubs like City become more numerous so our grip on the "elite" becomes more teneous, where do we go from here in terms of winning the league? a change of owners, definately. A new manager, probably. Serious investment in the squad needed at a time when serious investors are few and far between.

While those factors remain in place its quite likely we will surpass Utds 26 years without a league title
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=38856.msg1051996#msg1051996 date=1265723174]
Fucking hell, Neil !
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just reminiscing. I'm bored. sue me 😛
 
[quote author=RedStar link=topic=38856.msg1051997#msg1051997 date=1265723202]
the entire landscape of football has changed since the last title we won, its not enough now to have a decent manager and some top players who give their all for the club. Its about revenue streams wealthy bankrollers, 70,000 seater stadiums with corporate boxes pulling in millions, squads with millionaire internationals sitting on the bench.

The the formation of the Sky/Premier league the game changed, it became global, a brand, it was the death of the small provincial club like Forest or Ipswich as a force in football, and its unlikely we will ever see that again. Utd after their years in the wilderness were lucky enough to be riding high at the time and became the poster boys for the "new" football they embraced it, expanded their ground floated the club on the stock exchange and became a money producing bohemoth that never looked back with gigantic sporship deals and 3 replica shirts a season crass commercialism, funding the world class talent that they brought in over the last 15 years.

The rest of the league were left playing catch up. We seemed to think it was a fad, a thing that would pass, just keep doing what we always did and success would return we were told. The game may have changed but the basics havent, continuity, family club etc. That led to old boys like Souness and Evans taking the reigns. It didnt, we floundered, and with each season the gap seemed to grow until we were not considered real title contenders. Other clubs, notably Arsenal, moved on mordernised, saw the writing on the wall and tried to adapt, we didnt.

Then the era of the oligarchs arrived and it was clear that a change was required, probably a decade to late in a club that had become reactionary rather than one at the vangaurd. No longer could a club, whatever its history, compete for the best talent on their name alone, we needed revenue. So we put out faith in the hands of two busniess men who promised to be custodians of the club and build that stadium that could see us finally return to our former glories.

And so thats where we are now, constantly struggling to keep up, pushing the boulder up the hill every few years to build a title winning side only to see it roll back down again at a critical point. And as the clubs like City become more numerous so our grip on the "elite" becomes more teneous, where do we go from here in terms of winning the league? a change of owners, definately. A new manager, probably. Serious investment in the squad needed at a time when serious investors are few and far between.

While those factors remain in place its quite likely we will surpass Utds 26 years without a league title
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good post. enjoyed reading that.
I actually thought we had our best oppertunity of breaking the duck in the 90's. we had macca, fowler, stan james (when he was good) an incredibly talented crop of kids. I wonder what the fuck happened. I thought our core was stronger than manu's core but they ground out win after win (like they do now) and we missed our chance. I especially thought we'd do it after we beat n'castle at home in what was (and is) the best match I have ever seen in my life but we drew the very next game.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=38856.msg1052000#msg1052000 date=1265723272]
I I was a mod I'd make Neil vanish.
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there you go mods, themn has thrown down the gauntlet, if I'm so unpopular/disliked, do it, ban me.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38856.msg1052002#msg1052002 date=1265723471]
[quote author=RedStar link=topic=38856.msg1051997#msg1051997 date=1265723202]
the entire landscape of football has changed since the last title we won, its not enough now to have a decent manager and some top players who give their all for the club. Its about revenue streams wealthy bankrollers, 70,000 seater stadiums with corporate boxes pulling in millions, squads with millionaire internationals sitting on the bench.

The the formation of the Sky/Premier league the game changed, it became global, a brand, it was the death of the small provincial club like Forest or Ipswich as a force in football, and its unlikely we will ever see that again. Utd after their years in the wilderness were lucky enough to be riding high at the time and became the poster boys for the "new" football they embraced it, expanded their ground floated the club on the stock exchange and became a money producing bohemoth that never looked back with gigantic sporship deals and 3 replica shirts a season crass commercialism, funding the world class talent that they brought in over the last 15 years.

The rest of the league were left playing catch up. We seemed to think it was a fad, a thing that would pass, just keep doing what we always did and success would return we were told. The game may have changed but the basics havent, continuity, family club etc. That led to old boys like Souness and Evans taking the reigns. It didnt, we floundered, and with each season the gap seemed to grow until we were not considered real title contenders. Other clubs, notably Arsenal, moved on mordernised, saw the writing on the wall and tried to adapt, we didnt.

Then the era of the oligarchs arrived and it was clear that a change was required, probably a decade to late in a club that had become reactionary rather than one at the vangaurd. No longer could a club, whatever its history, compete for the best talent on their name alone, we needed revenue. So we put out faith in the hands of two busniess men who promised to be custodians of the club and build that stadium that could see us finally return to our former glories.

And so thats where we are now, constantly struggling to keep up, pushing the boulder up the hill every few years to build a title winning side only to see it roll back down again at a critical point. And as the clubs like City become more numerous so our grip on the "elite" becomes more teneous, where do we go from here in terms of winning the league? a change of owners, definately. A new manager, probably. Serious investment in the squad needed at a time when serious investors are few and far between.

While those factors remain in place its quite likely we will surpass Utds 26 years without a league title
[/quote]

good post. enjoyed reading that.
I actually thought we had our best oppertunity of breaking the duck in the 90's. we had macca, fowler, stan james (when he was good) an incredibly talented crop of kids. I wonder what the fuck happened. I thought our core was stronger than manu's core but they ground out win after win (like they do now) and we missed our chance. I especially thought we'd do it after we beat n'castle at home in what was (and is) the best match I have ever seen in my life but we drew the very next game.
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We didn't have James when he was good, we had James when he attracted the epithet 'Calamity'. I still shudder at the thought of him flapping at corners.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38856.msg1052003#msg1052003 date=1265723636]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38856.msg1052000#msg1052000 date=1265723272]
I I was a mod I'd make Neil vanish.
[/quote]

there you go mods, themn has thrown down the gauntlet, if I'm so unpopular/disliked, do it, ban me.
[/quote]

Why have you changed your avy ?

Are you hoping we won't realise it's you ?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38856.msg1052003#msg1052003 date=1265723636]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38856.msg1052000#msg1052000 date=1265723272]
I I was a mod I'd make Neil vanish.
[/quote]

there you go mods, themn has thrown down the gauntlet, if I'm so unpopular/disliked, do it, ban me.
[/quote]

The place just wouldn't be the same without you about Neil
 
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