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---------------------reina
johnson -- kjaer -- agger -- aurelio
-------- mascherano --------
arda turan --- aquilani -- babel
------------ gerrard------
------------------torres----

bench: cavaleri, skrtel, carra, kelly, insua, benayoun, riera, kuyt, pacheco, nemeth, jovanovic, n'gog, maxi, ecclestone.......... i could keep going of good/decent players to choose from for the bench.

Point is, 2 new players in our team with the proper line up would be a great step to our 19th title. why is rafa so fucking clueless ???
Our team today lacked everything, no pace, no skill, no creative spark, NOTHING!!

Ive added babel because although he shits everyone up the wall, he would be decent if he was shown faith for more than 10minutes every 3rd game.

point is.. FUCK OFF RAFA and take lucas with you 🙂
 
I don't see how a centre-back would make that much of a difference to be honest. We've got 4 good ones.

We need more world class players in attack. I don't care if they're left-wingers, right-wingers, strikers, in-the-holes, two-footed, slow, fast, fucking whatever. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. We've got two world class players in that regard, our main rivals have 3 or 4.

The one (fantasy) player I'd love love love is Tevez.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39220.msg1066287#msg1066287 date=1268104204]
I don't see how a centre-back would make that much of a difference to be honest. We've got 4 good ones.

We need more world class players in attack. I don't care if they're left-wingers, right-wingers, strikers, in-the-holes, two-footed, slow, fast, fucking whatever. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. We've got two world class players in that regard, our main rivals have 3 or 4.

The one (fantasy) player I'd love love love is Tevez.
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Having watched kjaer play a few games this season for palermo, the way it would improve us would be that he isnt anything like carragher in the sense that he plays it on the ground similar to agger, unlike what we currently have which is carragher hoofing the ball upfield. Not to mention carragher is coming to the end of his career and shouldnt be playing every game of the season.

these 2 players will become world class and wouldnt cost our club a fortune and are also boyhood fans which adds that little bit extra.
 
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=39220.msg1066301#msg1066301 date=1268106568]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39220.msg1066287#msg1066287 date=1268104204]
I don't see how a centre-back would make that much of a difference to be honest. We've got 4 good ones.

We need more world class players in attack. I don't care if they're left-wingers, right-wingers, strikers, in-the-holes, two-footed, slow, fast, fucking whatever. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. We've got two world class players in that regard, our main rivals have 3 or 4.

The one (fantasy) player I'd love love love is Tevez.
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Having watched kjaer play a few games this season for palermo, the way it would improve us would be that he isnt anything like carragher in the sense that he plays it on the ground similar to agger, unlike what we currently have which is carragher hoofing the ball upfield. Not to mention carragher is coming to the end of his career and shouldnt be playing every game of the season.

these 2 players will become world class and wouldnt cost our club a fortune and are also boyhood fans which adds that little bit extra.

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The only problem with having two-ball playing centre backs is that generally other teams play with what we call a 'striker' thus meaning that one of the ball-plaing centre backs has to actually do something besides pinging balls out gloriously from the back. It's why Rio needs a Vidic, why Terry needs a Carvalho, why Hansen needed a Thompson, and why Agger needs a Carra or Skrtel.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39220.msg1066308#msg1066308 date=1268109510]
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=39220.msg1066301#msg1066301 date=1268106568]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39220.msg1066287#msg1066287 date=1268104204]
I don't see how a centre-back would make that much of a difference to be honest. We've got 4 good ones.

We need more world class players in attack. I don't care if they're left-wingers, right-wingers, strikers, in-the-holes, two-footed, slow, fast, fucking whatever. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. We've got two world class players in that regard, our main rivals have 3 or 4.

The one (fantasy) player I'd love love love is Tevez.
[/quote]

Having watched kjaer play a few games this season for palermo, the way it would improve us would be that he isnt anything like carragher in the sense that he plays it on the ground similar to agger, unlike what we currently have which is carragher hoofing the ball upfield. Not to mention carragher is coming to the end of his career and shouldnt be playing every game of the season.

these 2 players will become world class and wouldnt cost our club a fortune and are also boyhood fans which adds that little bit extra.

[/quote]

The only problem with having two-ball playing centre backs is that generally other teams play with what we call 'strikers' thus meaning that one of the ball-plaing centre backs has to actually do something besides paining balls outgloriously from the back. It's why Rio needs a Vidic, why Terry needs a Carvalho, why Hansen needed a Thompson, and why Agger needs a Carra or Skrtel.
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Obviously both do not attack at the same time. When one pushes up, the other stays back and the defensive midfielder covers to fill the hole left behind.
What im trying to say is that having players pass it around, along the ground at a high tempo would be much better than having a player like carra constantly hit and hope for the best
 
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=39220.msg1066319#msg1066319 date=1268111189]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39220.msg1066308#msg1066308 date=1268109510]
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=39220.msg1066301#msg1066301 date=1268106568]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39220.msg1066287#msg1066287 date=1268104204]
I don't see how a centre-back would make that much of a difference to be honest. We've got 4 good ones.

We need more world class players in attack. I don't care if they're left-wingers, right-wingers, strikers, in-the-holes, two-footed, slow, fast, fucking whatever. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. We've got two world class players in that regard, our main rivals have 3 or 4.

The one (fantasy) player I'd love love love is Tevez.
[/quote]

Having watched kjaer play a few games this season for palermo, the way it would improve us would be that he isnt anything like carragher in the sense that he plays it on the ground similar to agger, unlike what we currently have which is carragher hoofing the ball upfield. Not to mention carragher is coming to the end of his career and shouldnt be playing every game of the season.

these 2 players will become world class and wouldnt cost our club a fortune and are also boyhood fans which adds that little bit extra.

[/quote]

The only problem with having two-ball playing centre backs is that generally other teams play with what we call 'strikers' thus meaning that one of the ball-plaing centre backs has to actually do something besides paining balls outgloriously from the back. It's why Rio needs a Vidic, why Terry needs a Carvalho, why Hansen needed a Thompson, and why Agger needs a Carra or Skrtel.
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Obviously both do not attack at the same time. When one pushes up, the other stays back and the defensive midfielder covers to fill the hole left behind.
What im trying to say is that having players pass it around, along the ground at a high tempo would be much better than having a player like carra constantly hit and hope for the best
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Of all the current issues bedevilling this Liverpool side; Carra's distribution from the back is probably about 0.0000000002% of the problem lad.
 
Lets all propose fantasy teams involving central midfield partnerships we've seen this year. That sounds like a great idea, or to borrow from how someone else so poetically put it, hows that piss taste this time around? Sorry Ryan, what I meant to say is why does his team involve no change to CM, when that's been an utter failing.

Torres is one of the best strikers in the world, and we've lost with him in, and lost with him out. Our midfield can't consistently gain the opposition third, it can't counterattack consistently, it can't hold onto the ball when pressed, and it can't string three passes toghether.

Torres on a great day would have scored two today, and we wouldn't have deserved a fucking bit of it. And motherfucking aurelio/babel as the solution on the left?
.

If you want to figure out what players we need, look for posts from two summers ago, when we needed a left winger, a forward, and a central midfielder. Now add a left back. We tried to buy all of those things and failed on every single one, bar the competent left winger we have, who of course can't get a game, because of.....
 
Fletcher has been the outstanding central midfielder in the League this year for me.
 
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=39220.msg1066282#msg1066282 date=1268103343]
---------------------reina
johnson -- kjaer -- agger -- aurelio
-------- mascherano --------
arda turan --- aquilani -- babel
------------ gerrard------
------------------torres----

[/quote]

Ok a few issues -

1) Aurelio is always injured. I'm not happy with him, or his back up (Insua)

2) Why sign a LW and play him at RW? Turan plans on the right.

3) Who do you purchase as your back up striker?
 
the two players to transform the team are

a) a central midfielder with a better than average passing range

b) a better than average wide midfielder with the ability to stretch teams with directness and skill

that's what we need. getting a replacement for the hapless insua would also be nice as would a covering striker.
 
We need:

1- a striker. We can't rely on Torres to stay fit and in form all season long. If that means we have to change the system, well, we have to change the system.

2- a left back. Aurelio will go and Insua, though he might improve, has clearly struggled throughout the season and cannot be allowed to continue unchallenged as first choice next season.

3- a left winger. The insistence on playing Yossi in this position is enough to drive anyone mad. Riera is out of favour and looks like he'll be shipped out, Maxi isn't suited either and Babel, well, no-one can be bothered to go down that road anymore. We need a new player who can pose a goal threat.

4- a centre back. We do have some good 'uns, but I remain rather unconvinced that there is a genuinely good first choice partnership in there. We need someone who can give us some of Zorba's qualities on a long-term basis.

5- cover at right back. Degen will leave and we simply can't be playing Carra or Masher there any time Johnson is unavailable for whatever reason. You could say that Kelly deserves a go and whilst I was going on about the kid before anyone on this board, I'd be a little worried of throwing him in at the deep end and suffering from another Insua situation. We'd have to start playing him this season in order to assess the risk factor of not bringing in anyone else.

6- a central midfielder that can exert some authority in that area of the park and help us keep possession.

Lot of holes to fill.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39220.msg1066345#msg1066345 date=1268120228]
We need:

1- a striker. We can't rely on Torres to stay fit and in form all season long. If that means we have to change the system, well, we have to change the system.

2- a left back. Aurelio will go and Insua, though he might improve, has clearly struggled throughout the season and cannot be allowed to continue unchallenged as first choice next season.

3- a left winger. The insistence on playing Yossi in this position is enough to drive anyone mad. Riera is out of favour and looks like he'll be shipped out, Maxi isn't suited either and Babel, well, no-one can be bothered to go down that road anymore. We need a new player who can pose a goal threat.

4- a centre back. We do have some good 'uns, but I remain rather unconvinced that there is a genuinely good first choice partnership in there. We need someone who can give us some of Zorba's qualities on a long-term basis.

5- cover at right back. Degen will leave and we simply can't be playing Carra or Masher there any time Johnson is unavailable for whatever reason. You could say that Kelly deserves a go and whilst I was going on about the kid before anyone on this board, I'd be a little worried of throwing him in at the deep end and suffering from another Insua situation. We'd have to start playing him this season in order to assess the risk factor of not bringing in anyone else.

6- a central midfielder that can exert some authority in that area of the park and help us keep possession.

Lot of holes to fill.
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a lot of holes to fill that will likely have to be filled WITHOUT CL money.
 
we really have come full circle to the time when gh left i.e. a very small core of very good players and a whole lot of dross.
 
I think CM and LB is a priority ahead of anything else, unless Aquilani can be expected to do it.

It's tough for anyone to score, when you can't even develop an attack.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39220.msg1066352#msg1066352 date=1268120936]
I think CM and LB is a priority ahead of anything else, unless Aquilani can be expected to do it.

It's tough for anyone to score, when you can't even develop an attack.
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hard to argue with that. when we had alonso we were challenging at the very least would looked like CL contenders and we have simply gone to pieces without him.
I think aurelio could do the job at left back if he remained injury free but that's like wishing for the moon.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=39220.msg1066338#msg1066338 date=1268119370]
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=39220.msg1066282#msg1066282 date=1268103343]
---------------------reina
johnson -- kjaer -- agger -- aurelio
-------- mascherano --------
arda turan --- aquilani -- babel
------------ gerrard------
------------------torres----

[/quote]

Ok a few issues -

1) Aurelio is always injured. I'm not happy with him, or his back up (Insua)

2) Why sign a LW and play him at RW? Turan plans on the right.

3) Who do you purchase as your back up striker?
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perfect world we would have a decent left back but its not a perfect world so without breaking the bank i decided to keep aurelio and insua as back up. 2 - arda turan can play anywhere across the midfield and 3. i would purchase chamakh on a free but im not the manager am i. if i was there would be major changes to this squad we currently have but unfortunetly benitez is not me. im just trying to keep it realistic
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39220.msg1066321#msg1066321 date=1268112128]
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=39220.msg1066319#msg1066319 date=1268111189]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39220.msg1066308#msg1066308 date=1268109510]
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=39220.msg1066301#msg1066301 date=1268106568]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39220.msg1066287#msg1066287 date=1268104204]
I don't see how a centre-back would make that much of a difference to be honest. We've got 4 good ones.

We need more world class players in attack. I don't care if they're left-wingers, right-wingers, strikers, in-the-holes, two-footed, slow, fast, fucking whatever. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. We've got two world class players in that regard, our main rivals have 3 or 4.

The one (fantasy) player I'd love love love is Tevez.
[/quote]

Having watched kjaer play a few games this season for palermo, the way it would improve us would be that he isnt anything like carragher in the sense that he plays it on the ground similar to agger, unlike what we currently have which is carragher hoofing the ball upfield. Not to mention carragher is coming to the end of his career and shouldnt be playing every game of the season.

these 2 players will become world class and wouldnt cost our club a fortune and are also boyhood fans which adds that little bit extra.

[/quote]

The only problem with having two-ball playing centre backs is that generally other teams play with what we call 'strikers' thus meaning that one of the ball-plaing centre backs has to actually do something besides paining balls outgloriously from the back. It's why Rio needs a Vidic, why Terry needs a Carvalho, why Hansen needed a Thompson, and why Agger needs a Carra or Skrtel.
[/quote]

Obviously both do not attack at the same time. When one pushes up, the other stays back and the defensive midfielder covers to fill the hole left behind.
What im trying to say is that having players pass it around, along the ground at a high tempo would be much better than having a player like carra constantly hit and hope for the best
[/quote]

Of all the current issues bedevilling this Liverpool side; Carra's distribution from the back is probably about 0.0000000002% of the problem lad.
[/quote]

exactly we have no fluidness in our passing or anything, that is why i propose we sign kjaer who plays like agger instead of carra who hoofs the ball and makes us defend by losing posession.. it is a more attacking team than what we currently have with more pace and creativatey
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39220.msg1066329#msg1066329 date=1268115390]
Lets all propose fantasy teams involving central midfield partnerships we've seen this year. That sounds like a great idea, or to borrow from how someone else so poetically put it, hows that piss taste this time around? Sorry Ryan, what I meant to say is why does his team involve no change to CM, when that's been an utter failing.

Torres is one of the best strikers in the world, and we've lost with him in, and lost with him out. Our midfield can't consistently gain the opposition third, it can't counterattack consistently, it can't hold onto the ball when pressed, and it can't string three passes toghether.

Torres on a great day would have scored two today, and we wouldn't have deserved a fucking bit of it. And motherfucking aurelio/babel as the solution on the left?
.

If you want to figure out what players we need, look for posts from two summers ago, when we needed a left winger, a forward, and a central midfielder. Now add a left back. We tried to buy all of those things and failed on every single one, bar the competent left winger we have, who of course can't get a game, because of.....
[/quote]

The problem with our midfield is LUCAS.. hence why i dropped him from the team and added a player that tries to make things happen (aquilani). also if you didnt notice i changed our formation so that we only have 1 defensive midfielder NOT 2.

As for adding aurelio/babel to the left, this is why: babel is quick, tries to make things happen and although he sometimes is half arsed and drives us up the wall, if you give him confidence and a decent run of games he will become a good player. as for aurelio, if he stays fit he is good going forward and defending. Perfect world i would put lahm or another world class left back but we are not blessed with alot of money so i am trying to keep it realistic mate.

All it takes is 2-3 changes and this team could improve drastically
 
The problem with our midfield is we don't have a single partnership that we know will work based on any of the evidence this season. There is scant evidence for Aquilani one way or the other, but there's certainly no reason to stick Mascher and Aquilani on the team sheet and think it's sorted. That's wishful thinking.

Babel is almost always half arsed, and drives us up the wall 90% of the time. We've seen him this season, particularly when we were atrocious at the very start of the season, (as opposed to when we were atrocious yesterday). To say "with a run of games he will become a good player" is even more wishful thinking.

If Aurelio stays fit? That's the most wishful thinking of all, and it's wishing for a not particularly great player. Save that wish for Torres next year, if he is with us.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39220.msg1066368#msg1066368 date=1268123406]
The problem with our midfield is we don't have a single partnership that we know will work based on any of the evidence this season. There is scant evidence for Aquilani one way or the other, but there's certainly no reason to stick Mascher and Aquilani on the team sheet and think it's sorted. That's wishful thinking.

Babel is almost always half arsed, and drives us up the wall 90% of the time. We've seen him this season, particularly when we were atrocious at the very start of the season, (as opposed to when we were atrocious yesterday). To say "with a run of games he will become a good player" is even more wishful thinking.

If Aurelio stays fit? That's the most wishful thinking of all, and it's wishing for a not particularly great player. Save that wish for Torres next year, if he is with us.
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Well aquilani/mascherano midfield is a much better and attacking minded midfield than mascherano and lucas 😉

Babel is given 10minutes every 3 games to try proove what he can do. Even if he does something, he gets stuck on that bench once again. Thats not a run of games 😉

Aurelio staying fit i agree is wishful thinking BUT its not like we have man citys budget so with what we have, him and insua are good enough
 
Only two players that would make a difference to us would be to bring back Pele and Maradona in their pomp.

Seriously though, our attitude and leadership needs to change before the personnel.
 
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=39220.msg1066408#msg1066408 date=1268127017]
Only two players that would make a difference to us would be to bring back Pele and Maradona in their pomp.

Seriously though, our attitude and leadership needs to change before the personnel.
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Your point is a good one - we need a Roy Keane type leader. Because currently, we're lacking one who'll lead by example on the pitch.
 
We need to sort out our left side.

If we get a top quality LB and LW, then i think we'd be sorted.

In rafa's 5/6 years here, he still hasn't managed to buy one of either.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39220.msg1066352#msg1066352 date=1268120936]
I think CM and LB is a priority ahead of anything else, unless Aquilani can be expected to do it.

It's tough for anyone to score, when you can't even develop an attack.
[/quote]

I think another striker/support striker has to be priority. Preferably a creative player who can help link the midfield and attack and perhaps deputise for Torres when necessary. Of course, I'm not sure who this player is but I'm sure he's out there. I think we can make do with a Masher/Gerrard midfield partnership and I would hope that Aquilani begins to feature more as he develops. I certainly don't think we should just accept that he's a lost cause at this stage.

After that I would agree that our need for another left back is becoming painfully obvious. Insua just can't cope at this level for a sustained period of time.

It's no secret that we're desperately short we are out wide, too. Of course, our priorities in terms of new players depends to some extent on what formation we plan to use going forward. If we move forward with a 4-4-2 then Kuyt should become a backup striker, making right wing another position we need to consider. If we stick with a 4-5-1/4-3-3 then Kuyt is ok on the right side of the front three. The left side is an issue whatever formation we play. Another centre back in the Sami mould is also important.

Since we can't afford to buy a horde of new players, I'd suggest we'll stick to the formation that requires the least new additions. So that's a striker/support striker, a left winger, a left back, and a centre back. Christ, this is a depressing exercise.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=39220.msg1066420#msg1066420 date=1268128981]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=39220.msg1066408#msg1066408 date=1268127017]
Only two players that would make a difference to us would be to bring back Pele and Maradona in their pomp.

Seriously though, our attitude and leadership needs to change before the personnel.
[/quote]

Your point is a good one - we need a Roy Keane type leader. Because currently, we're lacking one who'll lead by example on the pitch.
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Carra's that player when playing at CB. Otherwise yes, we are definitely lacking.
 
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