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Salaries - We're 2nd!

Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by bluebell, Jul 23, 2021.

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  1. bluebell

    bluebell Well-Known Member

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    Considering we have a smaller squad and we don't have anyone earning over £250k a week, so how do we get to 2nd. Is Mo earning £500k a week when you throw in all his bonuses?
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    19/20 season
    1. Manchester City
    League position: 2nd
    Total wage bill: £351m
    2. Liverpool
    League position: 1st
    Total wage bill: £326m
    3. Manchester United
    League position: 3rd
    Total wage bill: £284m
    4. Chelsea
    League position: 4th
    Total wage bill: £283m
    5. Arsenal
    League position: 8th
    Total wage bill: £225m
    6. Tottenham
    League position: 6th
    Total wage bill: £181m
    7. Everton
    League position: 12th
    Total wage bill: £165m
    8. Leicester City
    League position: 5th
    Total wage bill: £157m
    9. Crystal Palace
    League position: 14th
    Total wage bill: £132m
    10. West Ham
    League position: 16th
    Total wage bill: £127m
     
  2. Hansern

    Hansern SCM Addict Member

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    Its because the contracts are incentive based. Winning the league triggers loads of bonuses in salary.
    Well worth it aswell.
     
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  3. bluebell

    bluebell Well-Known Member

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    Someone's bothered to total players salaries. The incentives look as though it more than doubles their salary if you go by these base salaries players receive

    The teams total wage bill is:

    • £139,308,156 per year
    • £2,679,003 per week
    Active Squad:
    Player NameWeekly WageYearly SalaryAgePositionNationality
    Mohamed Salah£200,000£10,400,00028AM (RL), ST (C)Egypt
    Thiago£200,000£10,400,00029DM, M/AM (C)Spain
    Virgil van Dijk£180,000£9,360,00029D (C)Holland
    Roberto Firmino£180,000£9,360,00028AM (RLC), ST (C)Brazil
    Sadio Mané£180,000£9,360,00028AM (RL), ST (C)Senegal
    James Milner£145,000£7,540,00034WB (RL), DM, M (RLC)England
    Jordan Henderson£140,000£7,280,00030DM, M (C)England
    Joël Matip£125,000£6,500,00028D (C)Cameroon
    Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain£120,000£6,240,00026M (RC), AM (RLC)England
    Naby Keïta£120,000£6,240,00025DM, M (C)Guinea
    Alisson£120,000£6,240,00027GKBrazil
    Fabinho£120,000£6,240,00026D (RC), DM, M (C)Brazil
    Diogo Jota£92,000£4,784,00023AM (RLC), ST (C)Portugal
    Xherdan Shaqiri£86,000£4,472,00028AM (RLC)Switzerland
    Georginio Wijnaldum£86,000£4,472,00029DM, M (C), AM (LC)Holland
    Andrew Robertson£83,000£4,316,00026D/WB (L)Scotland
    Divock Origi£77,000£4,004,00025AM (L), ST (C)Belgium
    Joe Gomez£75,000£3,900,00023D (RLC)England
    Trent Alexander-Arnold£72,000£3,744,00021D/WB (R), DM, M (C)England
    Takumi Minamino£72,000£3,744,00025M (RL), AM (RLC), ST (C)Japan
    Adrián£58,000£3,016,00033GKSpain
    Kostas Tsimikas£55,000£2,860,00024D/WB (L)Greece
    Curtis Jones£22,000£1,144,00019M (C), AM (RLC)England
    Neco Williams£7,900£410,80019D/WB (R)Wales
    Caoimhin Kelleher£6,400£332,80021GKIreland
    Nathan Phillips£4,900£254,80023D (C)England
    Sepp van den Berg£4,600£239,20018D (C)Holland
    Elijah Dixon-Bonner£3,300£171,60019DM, M/AM (C)England
    Joe Hardy£3,100£161,20021AM (R), ST (C)England
    Liam Millar£3,000£156,00020AM (L), ST (C)Canada
     
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  4. momoWASboss

    momoWASboss If you take me seriously then you’re an idiot Member

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    How it should be. Reward success. I’ll bet City’s real wage bill is at least 50% higher than is in the table.
     
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    What I am saying is we have a smaller squad than some of our rivals, yet when you add the incentives and bonuses some of these players are probably earning £500k a week. That's a mind blowing number
     
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    Most definitely. How about Man U and Chelsea?
    Nah...I'm not having that, we can't be second.
     
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    Rosco Worse than Brendan Honorary Member

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    I reckon the base salaries are probably after tax figures.

    The wage bill for the year prior to winning the title was £310m.
     
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    Yeah. Not to mention all those shady offshore accounts or whatever it was that came to light a while back
     
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    A few on there need to be (have been?) increased (some dramatically) : Fabs, Robbo, TAA, Jones, Kelleher & Phillips. They can take it out of Ox, Naby and Adrian's salaries.
     
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    The premier league are still looking into them.
     
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    Halmeister Some sort of pun about having a well known member Member

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    I'm sure that will result in a withering punishment
     
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  12. momoWASboss

    momoWASboss If you take me seriously then you’re an idiot Member

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    Death by firing squad to everyone at the club.
     
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    This is lifted directly from our 2019-20 accounts. It is the full wage bill - gross salaries for players AND all staff, including pension costs and social security payments. Best guess is that staff payroll would be something like £30 - 35m, but could be higher if we paid staff bonuses for Champions League success, quite possible for senior staff at least.
    It will include bonuses for winning the Champions League (the final took place on 1 June 2019, which was the first day of the accounting year) - this means that the difference between bonuses for winning and those just for reaching the final would be charged to the 2019-20 results.
    It won't include bonuses for winning the Premier League (as we hadn't secured the title by the end of the accounting year - 31 May 2020, all was still in limbo).
    There's a good chance that a lot of chunky individual performance bonuses (e.g. based on goals / assists / clean sheets) will be included as they will be earned game by game and we were, as you'll recall, fucking awesome before the season was brought to a stop, other than that last game against Watford.
    All the other teams were, obviously, shite in comparison so their performance bonuses would be a lot lower than ours (and none of them will have bonuses for winning anything in Europe). I don't expect that even City would pay big bonuses for winning the League Cup or Community Shield, but you never know, plastic club and all that.
    There's probably also some inconsistencies in how clubs treat wages for players on loan - some clubs will net loan fees off wages, others will include them as player trading profits. This treatment will also depend on how the loans are structured - i.e. if a club gets a loan fee and continues to pay the player's wages (in which case they should still include the wages, but some won't be forced to do that by their auditors) as opposed to the lending club paying the player but not paying a loan fee (in which case you'd see a lower wage charge). This could have a huge impact on Chelsea's figures in particular, given that they have like a million players on loan at any point in time.
    In short, difficult to make a comparison and as @momoWASboss says, City's figures are likely understated if they're still channelling their image rights payments into a different company. But it does make sense that our figures would be higher than the other clubs - price of success.
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    Although PL winners bonuses won’t be in there, we were guaranteed second when the League halted so there could still be a decent number in there for 2019-20 league performance, including Champions League qualification bonuses which won’t be insignificant.
     
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    How the fuck did we give Adrian and Minamino 58k and 72k a week?
     
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    I read that as «death by fingering», which would be an appropriate punishment.
     
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    That would be longer and more painful. I’m in.
     
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    It looks like it was financially beneficial for the club not to win the PL this year.
     
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    That would be true if our revenue remained the same whether we became champions or not.
     
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    Would the revenue increase from winning the league ( or CL) mitigate the substantial bonuses to players? The club is easily doubling their wage it seems
     
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    It wouldn’t surprise me if there was a sweet spot where the direct revenue v cost gave a better result if we didn’t win - ie the extra revenue for winning v losing the final might not cover the win bonuses and costs associated with the parade. But if the club capitalised properly (eg through merchandising, bonuses in key commercial contracts etc.) then I’d expect even in a win scenario that we would cover all the costs and more.
    I do recall a documentary about Barcelona many years ago (the year they signed Ronaldinho, from memory) where their financial guys pointed out they risked bankruptcy if they won the league because of the bonuses, so it can happen if clubs dish our these rewards hap-hazardly, not expecting them to ever arise. I’d like to think we’re more careful than that - success should always pay for itself. Barcelona finished second that year, by the way, so they lived to go bust next year…
     
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