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Brendan Rodgers running out of time as air of resignation engulfs Liverpool

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Brad Bobley is massive stateside. He's coached the Wisconsin Fantastics to third in the MWPL (mid west premier league) three times and even took the Arizona Rattlers to the semi final play offs of the southern league in 2 of the last 6 seasons. Only Bruce Arena and Jurgen Klinsmann come close.
 
Brad Bobley is massive stateside. He's coached the Wisconsin Fantastics to third in the MWPL (mid west premier league) three times and even took the Arizona Rattlers to the semi final play offs of the southern league in 2 of the last 6 seasons. Only Bruce Arena and Jurgen Klinsmann come close.

Meh. If he's never taken the reigns of the Nebraska Cornhuskers I'm not interested.
 
Well I think most of us said his first 10 games would make or break him and it looks like it's broke him.

It's very sad when you look back at the thread ILD posted yesterday where everyone was basically sucking him off when we were closing in on the title.

Back to reality we go.
 
Tony Barrett
Last updated at 12:01AM, September 25 2015

Fenway Sports Group had an ambitious vision for Liverpool, but its policy is stuttering.

‘The model” as it became known was non-negotiable. A director of football was an absolute requirement. In the transfer market, “short-term, quick fixes” and overpaying for players were out of the question. A “talented young manager” was appointed to “instil a philosophy”.

Almost five years on from the purchase of Liverpool by Fenway Sports Group (FSG), all that remains of that blueprint is Brendan Rodgers. Given what was the model, it is not looking good.

Perhaps partly because he represents the last vestiges of the vision that they arrived with, Rodgers is yet to be dispensed with by FSG in the same manner as Damien Comolli, the director of football that they appointed, although there is no question that his position is subject to heightened consideration. Presiding over a run of form that has seen Liverpool win five matches out of their past 15 means that Rodgers can have few complaints about the mounting pressure that he is coming under, particularly with Jürgen Klopp and Carlo Ancelotti being available.

Having his tactics criticised, his signings rubbished and his approach questioned has become as much a part of the Liverpool manager’s daily routine as taking training at Melwood. There is no escape from the spotlight. But for all the scrutiny Rodgers is coming under, much of it as justified as it is inevitable, the question of whether the club he manages are giving him, or his potential replacements, the best possible chance to succeed is in danger of being lost in the clamour for change.

The focus on FSG and the decisions that it has made has become minimal. There is, though, a sense that Liverpool, on the pitch at least, are back to square one under their ownership. The league position they occupy, 13th, is only five places and two points better than it was in October 2010 when the American investment vehicle bought one of world football’s most famous clubs.

Then, their arrival came after an ignominious exit from the League Cup at the hands of League Two opposition, Northampton Town, a repeat of which was narrowly averted on Wednesday when Liverpool scraped past Carlisle United on penalties.

Just as Roy Hodgson, the manager FSG inherited, was beleaguered in 2010, Rodgers is under pressure in 2015. What took place in the intervening five years, save for a remarkable and wholly unexpected title challenge in 2013-14 has been wholly underwhelming — no trophies won and Champions League qualification achieved once.
Financial stability off the pitch, something that should not be underestimated, has not been followed by success on it.

“Most of all, we want to win,” John W Henry, Liverpool’s principal owner, once stated. “That ambition drives every decision. It is the Liverpool Way.” It may have been once but whether that is still the case is a moot point. Recently, Liverpool enlisted Ask Ten, an international leadership consultancy, whose website presents a case study of how a global football brand can “obtain commercial success off the pitch when the team is not performing on the pitch”. As an indication of where Liverpool are, it is compelling.

Were it not for the implications it would have for his job security, Rodgers would be entitled to cite the restrictions that he works under in mitigation. In the recent past, he has claimed that “fifth is par” for Liverpool, an argument that does hold weight when one considers that they have the Premier League’s fifth biggest wage bill, its fifth largest revenue and, when the redevelopment of Anfield is complete, they will have the country’s fifth biggest stadium. The problem for Rodgers is that last season Liverpool did not achieve that limited objective and they are several shots over par this season. That is why his job is in jeopardy.

Regardless of Rodgers’s failings, FSG needs to ask itself whether or not it has given him the best possible opportunity to deliver. If it is as honest as it was when Henry used an open letter to Liverpool fans to admit that mistakes had been made, it will acknowledge that its shortcomings, revolving primarily around an inconsistent approach with numerous deviations away from the course that it intended to follow, has not created the ideal conditions for any manager, particularly a relatively inexperienced one, to thrive in.

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Five factors in Liverpool’s fall from grace

1 Losing Luis Suárez
His move to Barcelona will go down as the turning point if this downturn under FSG continues. In the 38 league games before Suárez left, Liverpool scored 101 goals; in the 44 games since, they have scored only 56. Suárez’s infectious will to win has also been lost.

2 Failing to replace Suárez
Armed with £75million from the sale, Liverpool went on a spree. Instead of replacing Suárez with one player of similar talent, such as Alexis Sánchez, they went for quantity. Of the nine players recruited, four, including Mario Balotelli, aren’t at the club this season.

3 Playing an understrength team away to Real Madrid
In terms of dressing-room morale and supporter confidence, the damage done by Rodgers’s decision not to pick his first-choice team for the Champions League tie cannot be understated. Steven Gerrard admitted later that the episode played a key role in his decision to leave.

4 Allowing Gerrard to leave
By his own admission, Gerrard, at 35, is not the player he was at 25. But given the lack of leaders, his departure should have been avoided. The brain drain that has seen Jamie Carragher, Pepe Reina and Daniel Agger leave has had a profound effect on Liverpool’s stature within the game. Allowing Gerrard to follow Carragher, Reina and Agger out of Anfield was a mistake.

5 Too many symbolic defeats
It isn’t just losing games, but the manner in which they lose. A pitiful performance in the FA Cup semi-final against Aston Villa; capitulation to Crystal Palace in Gerrard’s Anfield farewell; surrender at Stoke on the final day of last season, left; West Ham winning at Anfield for the first time since 1963. Each one has caused significant collateral damage.
Words by Tony Barrett
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The transfer committee system that replaced the director of football template that was initially implemented has misfired. The idea of sharing votes on potential new signings between the manager, recruitment staff and executives may be democratic and reflect a desire to provide checks and balances, but its implementation has resulted in no one involved getting exactly what they want.

While Rodgers has been able to sign players such as Christian Benteke and Nathaniel Clyne as his first-choices, he has previously been prevented from pursuing interest in Ashley Williams and Ryan Bertrand. For their part, the committee, and particularly the owners, have been frustrated at the way that Rodgers has deployed signings that they have prioritised, with Lazar Markovic and Mamadou Sakho being two of the most obvious examples. That disconnect has been apparent from the summer that Rodgers took over as manager when he blocked a move to sign Daniel Sturridge from Chelsea only to backtrack the following January in the wake of pressure from FSG.

It is that dysfunction in their relationship that is at the heart of everything that is going wrong at Liverpool. Rodgers has long harboured doubts about whether he can succeed given the conditions that he works under, while FSG has had its own concerns about the Northern Irishman’s willingness to work collaboratively. Those mutual misgivings coupled with Liverpool’s slump mean that Rodgers is at growing risk of being replaced. Should either Klopp or Ancelotti succeed him, “the model” will be gone for good.
 
There's some skewed points in there.

The Sturridge story for one. He wanted Sturridge on loan initially with a view to buy the following Summer. Chelsea had wanted £17m and he didn't want to lose all of his remaining budget on one player. It wasn't simply a case of not wanting him and then backtracking. We saved £5m by waiting a couple of months anyway.

As for the Sanchez point, he wasn't there for the taking, him and his family chose London, yet Barrett says "they went for quantity (instead)". We went for quantity after being turned down by Sanchez.

I can't take Barrett seriously anymore. He bounced around this point about obvious committee signings a while back, when a month previous he was telling us some inside knowledge that Adam Lallana should be really worried about his future with us. The same Adam Lallana who (a month later) he was telling us was obviously a Rodgers signing (with a future) because he started the first game. He's full of shit. He makes some good points but he's so hung up on trying to tell us he has an inside track on who signed who, when he pretty much said it's guess work because it's that obvious.
 
Digger's just been on the radio saying 'I don't think it makes sense to change a manager now because the quality of the squad isn't good enough, so I doubt another manager will fare any better'. It's well-meaning, but, if people took that idea seriously, any manager could make his position stronger by making the squad weaker. It's his squad for god's sake.
 
We went for quanity after Sanchez. It shows how poor our scouting and transfer strategy is and has been.
To end up with a choice between Balotelli and Eto'o who arent even close to the same player as Sanchez/Suarez is insane tbh.

I agree about Barrett though.
 
We went for quanity after Sanchez. It shows how poor our scouting and transfer strategy is and has been.

To end up with a choice between Balotelli and Eto'o who arent even close to the same player as Sanchez/Suarez is insane tbh.



I agree about Barrett though.

Agree totally, but he said we opted to go for quantity instead. Which is rubbish.
 
Agree totally, but he said we opted to go for quantity instead. Which is rubbish.

Well, in hindsight 65 mill spent on Markovic, Lallana, Balotelli and Lambert could have been spent on 2 quality players. 3 of those 4 arent even at the club this season. There was no need for both Lallana AND Markovic.

1 quality striker and 1 quality attacking midfielder/winger.
 
So what's the deal with Ancelotti? Why isn't he available? The papers seem to think he is but they do talk shite.
 
Well, in hindsight 65 mill spent on Markovic, Lallana, Balotelli and Lambert could have been spent on 2 quality players. 3 of those 4 arent even at the club this season. There was no need for both Lallana AND Markovic.

1 quality striker and 1 quality attacking midfielder/winger.


Lallana is the quality AM - I still believe. We just didn't seem to have a Plan B after Sanchez chose London
 
So what's the deal with Ancelotti? Why isn't he available? The papers seem to think he is but they do talk shite.

The story when he left Real was that he needed an operation and was then going to take a year off. He's allowed to change his mind about that, though, just as Klopp is repeatedly reported as saying he would "for the right job" (i.e.the Liverpool gig). So we don't know Ancelotti isn't available, any more than we know he is.
 
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The story when he left Real was that he needed an operation and was then going to take a year off. He's allowed to change his mind about that, though, just as Klopp is repeatedly reported as saying he would "for the right job" (i.e.the Liverpool gig). So we don't know Ancelotti isn't available, any more than we know he is.

Thanks
 
So can anyone who actually knows about these things, with no agenda to drive, confirm that Barrett is now not to be trusted and 'full of shit'?

What has effected such a dramatic collapse?
 
@AdamLovlallana: BR: "Whether I am here for one day more, one month, one year, I will always have huge respect for the owners here."

@AdamLovlallana: Rodgers: "I hope to be a manager for 20 years but I respect that that 20 years probably won't be here at Liverpool."
 
So can anyone who actually knows about these things, with no agenda to drive, confirm that Barrett is now not to be trusted and 'full of shit'?

What has effected such a dramatic collapse?


The big loser, in the little world of media, is Bascombe, as far as the LFC saga is concerned. His recent articles show him so painfully ignorant of what's really going on at the club it wouldn't be a surprise if he got the old heave-ho soon. Barrett and Dominic King are the national newspaper hacks who don't just have regular briefings with the likes of Ayre and Gordon but also know enough people around Melwood and the academy to get more revealing gossip. I don't think either has an agenda, but both are fans as well as hacks, so they'll be prone to the same frustrations as the rest of us and no doubt that will sometimes affect their reports.
 
The big loser, in the little world of media, is Bascombe, as far as the LFC saga is concerned. His recent articles show him so painfully ignorant of what's really going on at the club it wouldn't be a surprise if he got the old heave-ho soon. Barrett and Dominic King are the national newspaper hacks who don't just have regular briefings with the likes of Ayre and Gordon but also know enough people around Melwood and the academy to get more revealing gossip. I don't think either has an agenda, but both are fans as well as hacks, so they'll be prone to the same frustrations as the rest of us and no doubt that will sometimes affect their reports.


He was only hired by the telegraph for his contacts, I don't think they placed great stock in him as a writer.
 
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