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It's fun seeing them turn on Pep, but they are also delusional to pretend they have some kind of "standards" Pep is failing to live up to – Man City are not fucking Bayern or Real Madrid, they have no European pedigree and are treated with respect in Europe mostly because they have one of the best managers in the game coaching them. Without him they are just bags of oil money and a stadium.

The turning on him is great to watch. There is a few camps over on there. Those who went when they were shit and can’t complain. Another who want him gone now or sign an extension so not to derail next season. Finally, those who call him a European bottle job and think he’s too clever for his own good.
 
I can't see Karen7 although I've noticed a poster called Kaz7. Suspiciously she is also acting like a dickhead. Wonder if it's her?
 
The turning on him is great to watch. There is a few camps over on there. Those who went when they were shit and can’t complain. Another who want him gone now or sign an extension so not to derail next season. Finally, those who call him a European bottle job and think he’s too clever for his own good.

He IS a European bottle job. But even acknowledging that, he's still way better as a coach than City are as a club. It's like a random guy winning a lottery and somehow ending up marrying Scarlet Johansson, then proceeding to complain that she doesn't cook all that well.

That said, here's a typically well-crafted article by Barney Ronay doing into detail about Pep not cooking well:

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You failed. No matter. Fail again. Fail in pretty much exactly the same way.
How many times, Pep, how many times? The idea that Pep Guardiola over‑complicates knockout games has become such a truism it seems impossible a manager of such clarity of thought could still be following that pattern; still finding ways to insert his own anxieties, his maniacal intellectualism into the fine details of elite knockout football.

And yet, here we are once again. Hello tactical confusion my old friend. On a thrilling, frantic night in Lisbon Pep Guardiola picked a Manchester City team to play an entirely un-Manchester City game, straight-jacketing this pass-and-move machine into a strangely muted shape, apparently with the aim of mirroring the three-man defence of Olympique Lyonnais, the seventh best team in France.

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To put this in its simplest form: by the 50th minute in the Estádio José Alvalade, João Cancelo, Kyle Walker, Rodri, Fernandinho and Ilkay Gündogan had touched the ball 288 times. Riyad Mahrez, Bernardo Silva, Phil Foden and David Silva had touched the ball zero times. And City had spent more than half of this eventual 3-1 defeat crouched behind a mannered defensive guard.

Kyle Walker as a bespoke man-marking wing-back-cum creative overlapper? Is this really a good idea right now? Certainly Walker gave it a go, haring up and down, whirling into unmapped spaces, a man doing an impressively intense free-running parkour circuit while all around him a Champions League tie was taking place. Elsewhere, the manager who loves midfielders gave us surely one of the drabbest midfields of his entire career.

For 60 minutes City shuttled from side to side. Kevin De Bruyne, the great creative talent of the Premier League, struggled to find space. Why do this? Why suck out the joy and the freedom just when it was needed most? For these players it must have felt like being invited to perform your triumphant new No 1 hit single, and deciding en route to the studios to go with the 10-minute jazz odyssey instead. We came in search of that sublime expressive entity of the last two years. Instead we got an hour of nose flute and drum solos.

Guardiola was predictably unpredictable from the start, opting for a back three, with his squad’s three main holding midfielders starting either in or in front of the defence. No doubt City were concerned about Lyon’s mobility in midfield and their intelligent forward surges. In the event they forgot to bring their own quiver of arrows, as for 20 minutes the team that always goes forward barely mustered an attack.

Then Lyon scored. It came from a knot in that City backline, as Walker lingered in an empty space, playing Karl Toko Ekambi onside. A saving tackle sent the loose ball towards Maxwel Cornet, who finished brilliantly. City’s players worked hard. De Bruyne was prominent, albeit strapped into a stilted system. On his touchline Rudi Garcia looked puzzled, man trying not to make too much noise for fear of breaking the spell. For an hour his team had been asked to do nothing different, to perform only within their comfort zone. When, you wondered, would Garcia be forced into some uncomfortable contortion by the super-brain in the opposite corner? What was this? A rope-a-dope?

Eventually Mahrez came on for Fernandinho and an equaliser was a more familiar kind of City moment. Mahrez eased Raheem Sterling in down the left. His fine pullback was struck firmly into the corner by De Bruyne. And yet from there it was Garcia who won the in-game flow of move and counter-move, bringing on Moussa Dembélé and pressing his team forward when they might have been swamped.

There were some details that could have changed the narrative. Lyon’s second goal was, arguably, awarded within the rules. But it still stank. First Ekambi received a pass from Houssem Aouar in an offside position. He jumped over the ball, which counts as a non-involvement, a point of view that confounds any kind of good sense. In the meantime Aymeric Laporte was sent sprawling by a collision with Dembélé, who ran on and scored. No foul was given. Then, with four minutes left, Sterling missed an extraordinary open goal from eight yards out with the tie there to be revived. Within a minute it was decisively dead as Dembélé tapped home at the other end.

Afterwards Guardiola seemed a little vague, perhaps even a tiny bit relieved to escape this weird, distended season. Either way, defeat makes it three in four quarter-finals for City, and a decade without a Champions League final for the most revered club coach of the age. Perhaps one of these days Guardiola will overthink a European knockout game so hard that he’ll accidentally play his normal team and win it. The great shame is that City exited without having ever quite been themselves, and without ever expressing their finer qualities. And once again Guardiola had blinked with the line in sight.
 
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Whats Guardiola's record at bringing in players like.
At City the spine of the team, Kompany, Fernandinho, De Bruyne, Silva, Aguero were all there before he arrived and the newer recruits don't seem to be up to that standard.
At Barca he already had Puyol, Xavi Iniesta and Messi.
Is his eye for recruitment not up to scratch?
 
He’s a lucky bastard who had ready made teams, spent shit loads and won some stuff. He’s not a genius by telling his team to pass pass pass.
 
He's like most of the rest of them, fine when things are going well, but put his back to the wall and he's pants. When Citeh were flying high nobody seemed to take any notice of the fact that Alisson, not Ederson, is Brazil's no.1 or wonder whether there might be a reason for that.
 
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Whats Guardiola's record at bringing in players like.
At City the spine of the team, Kompany, Fernandinho, De Bruyne, Silva, Aguero were all there before he arrived and the newer recruits don't seem to be up to that standard.
At Barca he already had Puyol, Xavi Iniesta and Messi.
Is his eye for recruitment not up to scratch?

I say it every time but he deserves a lot of credit for that Barca team. Obviously he inherited Xavi, Iniesta and Messi but the tiki-taka style everyone associates with this eras Barca came from him. He promoted Busquets and Pedro who played for him in the B team and rebuilt the side without Ronaldinho and Eto'o.

I think he made a bit of a mess of things at Bayern (not just in the CL imo) and his CL record since the heyday of Barca has been pretty dire though.
 
All I need now is for the London Mancs to be dumped out of the Europa League and it will be serenity in this house
 
There's a YouTube channel named man city fan TV, sadly there's no arsenal style drama. Barely a mention of VAR, very disappointing.

All the nutters must be blue moon exclusive
 
Whats Guardiola's record at bringing in players like.
At City the spine of the team, Kompany, Fernandinho, De Bruyne, Silva, Aguero were all there before he arrived and the newer recruits don't seem to be up to that standard.
At Barca he already had Puyol, Xavi Iniesta and Messi.
Is his eye for recruitment not up to scratch?

Arguably the best player he’s actually signed for City is Leroy Sane - ironically enough.

B Silva & Laporte being the other good ones.

Looking through the list of players he’s signed - there’s a lot - and I mean a lot of - overpriced shit in there.
 
This is why they bottle it in big games. The players have paper thin skin
 
So it isn't just their teenage Internet warrior fans who are offended by the football world's refusal to bow down and pay them homage this season. Pitiful.
 
He IS a European bottle job. But even acknowledging that, he's still way better as a coach than City are as a club. It's like a random guy winning a lottery and somehow ending up marrying Scarlet Johansson, then proceeding to complain that she doesn't cook all that well.

That said, here's a typically well-crafted article by Barney Ronay doing into detail about Pep not cooking well:

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You failed. No matter. Fail again. Fail in pretty much exactly the same way.
How many times, Pep, how many times? The idea that Pep Guardiola over‑complicates knockout games has become such a truism it seems impossible a manager of such clarity of thought could still be following that pattern; still finding ways to insert his own anxieties, his maniacal intellectualism into the fine details of elite knockout football.

And yet, here we are once again. Hello tactical confusion my old friend. On a thrilling, frantic night in Lisbon Pep Guardiola picked a Manchester City team to play an entirely un-Manchester City game, straight-jacketing this pass-and-move machine into a strangely muted shape, apparently with the aim of mirroring the three-man defence of Olympique Lyonnais, the seventh best team in France.

1377.jpg



To put this in its simplest form: by the 50th minute in the Estádio José Alvalade, João Cancelo, Kyle Walker, Rodri, Fernandinho and Ilkay Gündogan had touched the ball 288 times. Riyad Mahrez, Bernardo Silva, Phil Foden and David Silva had touched the ball zero times. And City had spent more than half of this eventual 3-1 defeat crouched behind a mannered defensive guard.

Kyle Walker as a bespoke man-marking wing-back-cum creative overlapper? Is this really a good idea right now? Certainly Walker gave it a go, haring up and down, whirling into unmapped spaces, a man doing an impressively intense free-running parkour circuit while all around him a Champions League tie was taking place. Elsewhere, the manager who loves midfielders gave us surely one of the drabbest midfields of his entire career.

For 60 minutes City shuttled from side to side. Kevin De Bruyne, the great creative talent of the Premier League, struggled to find space. Why do this? Why suck out the joy and the freedom just when it was needed most? For these players it must have felt like being invited to perform your triumphant new No 1 hit single, and deciding en route to the studios to go with the 10-minute jazz odyssey instead. We came in search of that sublime expressive entity of the last two years. Instead we got an hour of nose flute and drum solos.

Guardiola was predictably unpredictable from the start, opting for a back three, with his squad’s three main holding midfielders starting either in or in front of the defence. No doubt City were concerned about Lyon’s mobility in midfield and their intelligent forward surges. In the event they forgot to bring their own quiver of arrows, as for 20 minutes the team that always goes forward barely mustered an attack.

Then Lyon scored. It came from a knot in that City backline, as Walker lingered in an empty space, playing Karl Toko Ekambi onside. A saving tackle sent the loose ball towards Maxwel Cornet, who finished brilliantly. City’s players worked hard. De Bruyne was prominent, albeit strapped into a stilted system. On his touchline Rudi Garcia looked puzzled, man trying not to make too much noise for fear of breaking the spell. For an hour his team had been asked to do nothing different, to perform only within their comfort zone. When, you wondered, would Garcia be forced into some uncomfortable contortion by the super-brain in the opposite corner? What was this? A rope-a-dope?

Eventually Mahrez came on for Fernandinho and an equaliser was a more familiar kind of City moment. Mahrez eased Raheem Sterling in down the left. His fine pullback was struck firmly into the corner by De Bruyne. And yet from there it was Garcia who won the in-game flow of move and counter-move, bringing on Moussa Dembélé and pressing his team forward when they might have been swamped.

There were some details that could have changed the narrative. Lyon’s second goal was, arguably, awarded within the rules. But it still stank. First Ekambi received a pass from Houssem Aouar in an offside position. He jumped over the ball, which counts as a non-involvement, a point of view that confounds any kind of good sense. In the meantime Aymeric Laporte was sent sprawling by a collision with Dembélé, who ran on and scored. No foul was given. Then, with four minutes left, Sterling missed an extraordinary open goal from eight yards out with the tie there to be revived. Within a minute it was decisively dead as Dembélé tapped home at the other end.

Afterwards Guardiola seemed a little vague, perhaps even a tiny bit relieved to escape this weird, distended season. Either way, defeat makes it three in four quarter-finals for City, and a decade without a Champions League final for the most revered club coach of the age. Perhaps one of these days Guardiola will overthink a European knockout game so hard that he’ll accidentally play his normal team and win it. The great shame is that City exited without having ever quite been themselves, and without ever expressing their finer qualities. And once again Guardiola had blinked with the line in sight.

I like how he spelt come as cum :D
 
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