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Americans appreciation thread.

Discussion in 'The Vault' started by viingx, Oct 30, 2007.

  1. LeTallecWiz

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    [quote author=Sunny link=topic=17199.msg398637#msg398637 date=1193776022]
    [quote author=singlerider link=topic=17199.msg398632#msg398632 date=1193775877]
    Oh, and LTW - it's okay, you can say you like America because they're *incredibly* pro-Israel and love Jewish people y'know
    [/quote]

    Although it was the BRITISH Mandate of Palestine that created a national home for the Jewish people.
    [/quote]

    ha ha ... taken from those oh so poor turks!
     
  2. Sunny

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    [quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=17199.msg398636#msg398636 date=1193776001]
    are you seriously saying without Yankee intervention, the battle on Europe would have been won by VE Day? Are you seriously saying that? My lord ... Yes the English had 'repelled' the Battle of Britain, or HItler had perhaps made his biggest mistake and opened a second front giving the chance for the Brits to breathe after non-stop assaults on her cities.

    And considering Rommel had the 'Allied forces' just west of Tobruk in Jan 1943, I don't exactly see how the war had already shifted (Granted, this was due to troop reinforcements being sent to Burma). Rommel was basically at El Alamein in May 1943 ... only to be pushed back ... but don't let that get in you rway.

    Put your anti-American hatred to the side - were it not for their involvement in the war, things would not have ended as they did.
    [/quote]

    Of course they wouldn't have. Things would have been far different. That doesn't mean to say Germany would have prevailed. Of course the Americans helped bring forward the end of the war. That had to be a good thing. I'm glad they joined us as it brought an end to the whole thing more quickly. But to give the Americans ALL the praise for ending the war is complete bollocks. It was the Allied forces. A combined effort.
     
  3. singlerider

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    [quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=17199.msg398636#msg398636 date=1193776001]
    Put your anti-American hatred to the side - were it not for their involvement in the war, things would not have ended as they did.
    [/quote]

    That's true, but there's a myriad of other factors involved as well, it was just that "America saved Britain's ass" like so many people seem to think.

    The fact that every inadequately educated American seems to believe that, along with a ton of other guff drip-fed to them by shoddy Hollywood movies is more than enough to rankle, not to mention ruin this "Appreciate America" thread.

    I suggest we step away from the debate and head back to safer ground.

    I like America for . . . THE INTERNET!!!

    (aka porn central)
     
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    [quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=17199.msg398638#msg398638 date=1193776077]
    [quote author=singlerider link=topic=17199.msg398632#msg398632 date=1193775877]
    Oh, and LTW - it's okay, you can say you like America because they're *incredibly* pro-Israel and love Jewish people y'know
    [/quote]

    nah - you know my opinion on this - it's all a 'game' ... they could really care less, as evident by quite a lot of events since the 1940s ...
    [/quote]

    Generally though, the pro-Jewish movement is very strong in the States
     
  5. HC

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    [quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=17199.msg398636#msg398636 date=1193776001]
    are you seriously saying without Yankee intervention, the battle on Europe would have been won by VE Day? Are you seriously saying that? My lord ... Yes the English had 'repelled' the Battle of Britain, or HItler had perhaps made his biggest mistake and opened a second front giving the chance for the Brits to breathe after non-stop assaults on her cities.

    And considering Rommel had the 'Allied forces' just west of Tobruk in Jan 1943, I don't exactly see how the war had already shifted (Granted, this was due to troop reinforcements being sent to Burma). Rommel was basically at El Alamein in May 1943 ... only to be pushed back ... but don't let that get in you rway.

    Put your anti-American hatred to the side - were it not for their involvement in the war, things would not have ended as they did.
    [/quote]

    Repelled? the Luftwaffe was fucking anihalated, the Russians were fucking digging deep, the Nazi's were lost, they had the Russians one side, and were getting bombed to fuck by us, well before the Clint eastword and co came over.

    What? rommel was fucked, the Reds and Monty (even though making a right meal of it) had the Nazi's number, The Nazi's had the better tanks, that is probably the US's biggest land contribution, the armour they provided.

    Regardless, Hitler had far too much on his plate, it was only a matter of time.
     
  6. LeTallecWiz

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    [quote author=Sunny link=topic=17199.msg398643#msg398643 date=1193776234]
    [quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=17199.msg398636#msg398636 date=1193776001]
    are you seriously saying without Yankee intervention, the battle on Europe would have been won by VE Day? Are you seriously saying that? My lord ... Yes the English had 'repelled' the Battle of Britain, or HItler had perhaps made his biggest mistake and opened a second front giving the chance for the Brits to breathe after non-stop assaults on her cities.

    And considering Rommel had the 'Allied forces' just west of Tobruk in Jan 1943, I don't exactly see how the war had already shifted (Granted, this was due to troop reinforcements being sent to Burma). Rommel was basically at El Alamein in May 1943 ... only to be pushed back ... but don't let that get in you rway.

    Put your anti-American hatred to the side - were it not for their involvement in the war, things would not have ended as they did.
    [/quote]

    Of course they wouldn't have. Things would have been far different. That doesn't mean to say Germany would have prevailed. Of course the Americans helped bring forward the end of the war. That had to be a good thing. I'm glad they joined us as it brought an end to the whole thing more quickly. But to give the Americans ALL the praise for ending the war is complete bollocks. It was the Allied forces. A combined effort.
    [/quote]

    that sound about right - I don't give them all the praise but I think their intervention shifted the war completely in the allies' favor ...

    whatever the case, I think Hitler's 'insanity' lost him the war ... Going into Russia was a big 'no no' ...
     
  7. Sheik Yerbouti

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    [quote author=Sunny link=topic=17199.msg398643#msg398643 date=1193776234]

    Of course they wouldn't have. Things would have been far different. That doesn't mean to say Germany would have prevailed. Of course the Americans helped bring forward the end of the war. That had to be a good thing. I'm glad they joined us as it brought an end to the whole thing more quickly. But to give the Americans ALL the praise for ending the war is complete bollocks. It was the Allied forces. A combined effort.
    [/quote]

    And they captured the Enigma machine and cracked the code. I saw that in a film.
     
  8. Sunny

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    I like America for ... HOLLYWOOD. It's comforting to know that if we're ever invaded by aliens with vastly superior technology and armoury , or a huge asteroid is coming our way, America will single handedly save our skins !!!!



    Amer-i-ca ! Fuck, yeah !!
     
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    [quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=17199.msg398636#msg398636 date=1193776001]
    are you seriously saying without Yankee intervention, the battle on Europe would have been won by VE Day? Are you seriously saying that? My lord ... Yes the English had 'repelled' the Battle of Britain, or HItler had perhaps made his biggest mistake and opened a second front giving the chance for the Brits to breathe after non-stop assaults on her cities.

    And considering Rommel had the 'Allied forces' just west of Tobruk in Jan 1943, I don't exactly see how the war had already shifted (Granted, this was due to troop reinforcements being sent to Burma). Rommel was basically at El Alamein in May 1943 ... only to be pushed back ... but don't let that get in you rway.

    Put your anti-American hatred to the side - were it not for their involvement in the war, things would not have ended as they did.
    [/quote]

    What anti American hatred??

    Britain had withstood all of Germany might since Sept 3rd 1939 the American became involved in the was on Dec 8th 1941 there first battle was mid 1942.

    Monty had taken Tobruk in 1941 Britain had entered Greece in 1941 all this was without America.


    The war in Europe would have ended the same, all the commonwealth soldiers fighting against Japan would have been in Europe.

    Again get your facts right.


    Fact we wouldn't have 'all been speaking German' now

    We WOULDN'T be having Frankfurters with our chips.
     
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    [quote author=singlerider link=topic=17199.msg398644#msg398644 date=1193776263]
    [quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=17199.msg398636#msg398636 date=1193776001]
    Put your anti-American hatred to the side - were it not for their involvement in the war, things would not have ended as they did.
    [/quote]

    That's true, but there's a myriad of other factors involved as well, it was just that "America saved Britain's ass" like so many people seem to think.

    The fact that every inadequately educated American seems to believe that, along with a ton of other guff drip-fed to them by shoddy Hollywood movies is more than enough to rankle, not to mention ruin this "Appreciate America" thread.

    I suggest we step away from the debate and head back to safer ground.

    I like America for . . . THE INTERNET!!!

    (aka porn central)
    [/quote]

    Yeah,well thats due to the Hollywood factor, they didn't have rack off some WWII films portraying the ever present knight in shining armour that is, coming to the rescue.

    In fact.I'll add that to my list, I can't think of many US war films i've seen that I rate.
     
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    [quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=17199.msg398650#msg398650 date=1193776452]
    [quote author=Sunny link=topic=17199.msg398643#msg398643 date=1193776234]

    Of course they wouldn't have. Things would have been far different. That doesn't mean to say Germany would have prevailed. Of course the Americans helped bring forward the end of the war. That had to be a good thing. I'm glad they joined us as it brought an end to the whole thing more quickly. But to give the Americans ALL the praise for ending the war is complete bollocks. It was the Allied forces. A combined effort.
    [/quote]

    And they captured the Enigma machine and cracked the code. I saw that in a film.
    [/quote]

    Shiek your joking right??

    The yanks captured an enigma machine in 1944, the Film was based on a British operation, made 'Hollywood' the Yanks rewrite history better than the Kremlin ever could...
     
  12. Rosco

    Rosco Worse than Brendan Honorary Member

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    [quote author=Sunny link=topic=17199.msg398651#msg398651 date=1193776461]
    I like America for ... HOLLYWOOD. It's comforting to know that if we're ever invaded by aliens with vastly superior technology and armoury , or a huge asteroid is coming our way, America will single handedly save our skins !!!!



    Amer-i-ca ! Fuck, yeah !!


    [/quote]

    Actually that's not quite true.

    I once heard an interview with , well actually I don't know what you'd really call him, but he was an American fella with numerous degrees.

    He had completed lots of research into how the world would best be equipped to deal with an Alien Invasion and came to the conclusion that the Mujahideen's tactics would be the best to use on the Aliens.
     
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    [quote author=singlerider link=topic=17199.msg398647#msg398647 date=1193776336]
    [quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=17199.msg398638#msg398638 date=1193776077]
    [quote author=singlerider link=topic=17199.msg398632#msg398632 date=1193775877]
    Oh, and LTW - it's okay, you can say you like America because they're *incredibly* pro-Israel and love Jewish people y'know
    [/quote]

    nah - you know my opinion on this - it's all a 'game' ... they could really care less, as evident by quite a lot of events since the 1940s ...
    [/quote]

    Generally though, the pro-Jewish movement is very strong in the States
    [/quote]

    not as strong as many people would like to believe mate ... at least I don't think it's that strong ... I could be wrong but who knows.
     
  14. Sheik Yerbouti

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    [quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=17199.msg398654#msg398654 date=1193776586]

    In fact.I'll add that to my list, I can't think of many US war films i've seen that I rate.
    [/quote]

    The Deer Hunter.









    For a start.
     
  15. Oncy

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    Bob Dylan, Groucho marx, Ben Roethlisberger, Clint Eastwood, James Ellroy, Tom Waits, Charles Bukowski, Marlon Brando, Billy Crystal, Steve Martin, Eddie Murphy, Benjamin Franklin, Edgar Allan Poe, Sam Elliot, John Mcginley, Bruce Willis, Harpo Marx, Bill Hicks, James Stewart, Otis lee Crenshaw, Paul Newman, Dustin Hoffman, Robert DeNiro, Al Pacino, Stan lee, Denzel Washington, Chuck D, Smokey Robinson, Chico Marx, James Cameron, David Fincher, JD Salinger, Samuel L Jackson, Sharon Stone, Uma Thurman, Richard Pryor, Bill Murray, Gary Sinise, Paul Giamatti, Ashley Judd, Phillip Seymour Hoffman, Kenny Rogers, Johnny Cash, kris Kristofferson, Herman Mellville, Miles Davis, Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, Robert Johnson, Elvis Aaron Presley, Kurt Cobain, James Brown, Stevie Wonder, Berry Gordy, Burt Bacharach, Jeff Buckley, Frank Sinatra, Carl Lewis, Michael Johnson, Pete Sampras, Ani Di Franco, Bing Crosby, Frank Zappa, Billie Holliday, Cuba Gooding Junior, John Madden, John Trovolta, Mandy Patinkin, Harper Lee, Lee Marvin, Jessica Alba, Angelina Jolie, Wynona Ryder, Henry Fonda, James Stewart, Mel Brooks, Walt Disney, Joe Perry, Zak de la rocha, Tapanga, Yasmine Bleeth, Tiffani amber thiessen, Mohammed Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar ray Robinson, Alan Alda, Robert Duvall, Viggo Mortenson, Ed Harris, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, Michelle Pfeiffer, Jackson Pollack, Franklin D Roosevelt, General Patton, Aretha Franklin, Al Green, Michael Jordan, Marvin Gaye, Ed Norton, Kevin Spacey, Harold Lloyd, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Martin Balsam, Herbie Hancock, Martin Scorcese, Stanley Kubrick, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Metro, Goldwyn and Meyer, David Schwimmer, Matt Le Blanc, Mathew Perry, Jennifer Aniston, Courtney Cox, Lisa Kudrow, Big Bird, Lance Armstrong, Dwight Schultz, Dan Ackroyd, Ivan Reitman, Henry Ford, The Warner Brothers, Jaqui Joyner Kersey, Mary Decker Slaney, The Rock, Stone cold steve austin, The Undertaker, the macho man Randy Savage, The Colonel, Woody Allen, Dom Irrera, Leah Rimini, Eva Mendes, Hines Ward, Willy Parker, Jerome Bettis, Thomas Harris, Martha Reeves, Arthur Fonzareli, Ronnie Van Zandt, John Fogerty.........


    And MANY MANY more.
     
  16. Sunny

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    It's encouraging to know that we have the US as constant allies though. We know they will stand shoulder to shoulder with us, as we do them, should any of our sovereign territories get invaded such as the Falklands....oh.
     
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    [quote author=Sunny link=topic=17199.msg398651#msg398651 date=1193776461]
    I like America for ... HOLLYWOOD. It's comforting to know that if we're ever invaded by aliens with vastly superior technology and armoury , or a huge asteroid is coming our way, America will single handedly save our skins !!!!



    Amer-i-ca ! Fuck, yeah !!


    [/quote]

    That is possibly the most cringeworthy film ever for me....


    Independence day that is, having said that most of the superpowers came out shit, we were in the desert drinking tea, the Russians were in the Cremlin with their hats and Klashnikovs being waved about etc, the Yanks, well they were doing loop the loops in fighter jets and giving beautiful speeches
     
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    [quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=17199.msg398660#msg398660 date=1193776693]
    Bob Dylan, Groucho marx, Ben Roethlisberger, Clint Eastwood, James Ellroy, Tom Waits, Charles Bukowski, Marlon Brando, Billy Crystal, Steve Martin, Eddie Murphy, Benjamin Franklin, Edgar Allan Poe, Sam Elliot, John Mcginley, Bruce Willis, Harpo Marx, Bill Hicks, James Stewart, Otis lee Crenshaw, Paul Newman, Dustin Hoffman, Robert DeNiro, Al Pacino, Stan lee, Denzel Washington, Chuck D, Smokey Robinson, Chico Marx, James Cameron, David Fincher, JD Salinger, Samuel L Jackson, Sharon Stone, Uma Thurman, Richard Pryor, Bill Murray, Gary Sinise, Paul Giamatti, Ashley Judd, Phillip Seymour Hoffman, Kenny Rogers, Johnny Cash, kris Kristofferson, Herman Mellville, Miles Davis, Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, Robert Johnson, Elvis Aaron Presley, Kurt Cobain, James Brown, Stevie Wonder, Berry Gordy, Burt Bacharach, Jeff Buckley, Frank Sinatra, Carl Lewis, Michael Johnson, Pete Sampras, Ani Di Franco, Bing Crosby, Frank Zappa, Billie Holliday, Cuba Gooding Junior, John Madden, John Trovolta, Mandy Patinkin, Harper Lee, Lee Marvin, Jessica Alba, Angelina Jolie, Wynona Ryder, Henry Fonda, James Stewart, Mel Brooks, Walt Disney, Joe Perry, Zak de la rocha, Tapanga, Yasmine Bleeth, Tiffani amber thiessen, Mohammed Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar ray Robinson, Alan Alda, Robert Duvall, Viggo Mortenson, Ed Harris, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, Michelle Pfeiffer, Jackson Pollack, Franklin D Roosevelt, General Patton, Aretha Franklin, Al Green, Michael Jordan, Marvin Gaye, Ed Norton, Kevin Spacey, Harold Lloyd, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Martin Balsam, Herbie Hancock, Martin Scorcese, Stanley Kubrick, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Metro, Goldwyn and Meyer, David Schwimmer, Matt Le Blanc, Mathew Perry, Jennifer Aniston, Courtney Cox, Lisa Kudrow, Big Bird, Lance Armstrong, Dwight Schultz, Dan Ackroyd, Ivan Reitman, Henry Ford, The Warner Brothers, Jaqui Joyner Kersey, Mary Decker Slaney, The Rock, Stone cold steve austin, The Undertaker, the macho man Randy Savage, The Colonel, Woody Allen, Dom Irrera, Leah Rimini, Eva Mendes, Hines Ward, Willy Parker, Jerome Bettis, Thomas Harris, Martha Reeves, Arthur Fonzareli, Ronnie Van Zandt, John Fogerty.........


    And MANY MANY more.
    [/quote]

    did you intentionally forget Terry Bradshaw?
     
  19. Oncy

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    [quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=17199.msg398664#msg398664 date=1193776788]
    [quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=17199.msg398660#msg398660 date=1193776693]
    Bob Dylan, Groucho marx, Ben Roethlisberger, Clint Eastwood, James Ellroy, Tom Waits, Charles Bukowski, Marlon Brando, Billy Crystal, Steve Martin, Eddie Murphy, Benjamin Franklin, Edgar Allan Poe, Sam Elliot, John Mcginley, Bruce Willis, Harpo Marx, Bill Hicks, James Stewart, Otis lee Crenshaw, Paul Newman, Dustin Hoffman, Robert DeNiro, Al Pacino, Stan lee, Denzel Washington, Chuck D, Smokey Robinson, Chico Marx, James Cameron, David Fincher, JD Salinger, Samuel L Jackson, Sharon Stone, Uma Thurman, Richard Pryor, Bill Murray, Gary Sinise, Paul Giamatti, Ashley Judd, Phillip Seymour Hoffman, Kenny Rogers, Johnny Cash, kris Kristofferson, Herman Mellville, Miles Davis, Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, Robert Johnson, Elvis Aaron Presley, Kurt Cobain, James Brown, Stevie Wonder, Berry Gordy, Burt Bacharach, Jeff Buckley, Frank Sinatra, Carl Lewis, Michael Johnson, Pete Sampras, Ani Di Franco, Bing Crosby, Frank Zappa, Billie Holliday, Cuba Gooding Junior, John Madden, John Trovolta, Mandy Patinkin, Harper Lee, Lee Marvin, Jessica Alba, Angelina Jolie, Wynona Ryder, Henry Fonda, James Stewart, Mel Brooks, Walt Disney, Joe Perry, Zak de la rocha, Tapanga, Yasmine Bleeth, Tiffani amber thiessen, Mohammed Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar ray Robinson, Alan Alda, Robert Duvall, Viggo Mortenson, Ed Harris, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, Michelle Pfeiffer, Jackson Pollack, Franklin D Roosevelt, General Patton, Aretha Franklin, Al Green, Michael Jordan, Marvin Gaye, Ed Norton, Kevin Spacey, Harold Lloyd, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Martin Balsam, Herbie Hancock, Martin Scorcese, Stanley Kubrick, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Metro, Goldwyn and Meyer, David Schwimmer, Matt Le Blanc, Mathew Perry, Jennifer Aniston, Courtney Cox, Lisa Kudrow, Big Bird, Lance Armstrong, Dwight Schultz, Dan Ackroyd, Ivan Reitman, Henry Ford, The Warner Brothers, Jaqui Joyner Kersey, Mary Decker Slaney, The Rock, Stone cold steve austin, The Undertaker, the macho man Randy Savage, The Colonel, Woody Allen, Dom Irrera, Leah Rimini, Eva Mendes, Hines Ward, Willy Parker, Jerome Bettis, Thomas Harris, Martha Reeves, Arthur Fonzareli, Ronnie Van Zandt, John Fogerty.........


    And MANY MANY more.
    [/quote]

    did you intentionally forget Terry Bradshaw?
    [/quote]

    Look closer.
     
  20. Sheik Yerbouti

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    [quote author=Asbo link=topic=17199.msg398655#msg398655 date=1193776609]
    [quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=17199.msg398650#msg398650 date=1193776452]
    [quote author=Sunny link=topic=17199.msg398643#msg398643 date=1193776234]

    Of course they wouldn't have. Things would have been far different. That doesn't mean to say Germany would have prevailed. Of course the Americans helped bring forward the end of the war. That had to be a good thing. I'm glad they joined us as it brought an end to the whole thing more quickly. But to give the Americans ALL the praise for ending the war is complete bollocks. It was the Allied forces. A combined effort.
    [/quote]

    And they captured the Enigma machine and cracked the code. I saw that in a film.
    [/quote]

    Shiek your joking right??

    The yanks captured an enigma machine in 1944, the Film was based on a British operation, made 'Hollywood' the Yanks rewrite history better than the Kremlin ever could...


    [/quote]

    Sorry.....but...... *tries to restrain oneself*........I've.........just........ *fights inner demons*.....GOT...TO........











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