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I'm not a regular, but I always sing when a songs being sung, like fuck I'd start one though.
Ha. It takes either balls or stupidity to start songs if you're on your own, maybe both.

When we were kids on the Kop we'd always, always try to start them, & usually fail, sometimes it'd be cos it was completely the wrong time to sing a certain song (starting fields of anfield Road when we're starting an attack at pace for example) & others cos our scrawny squeaky voices couldn't get it going.

You learnt when & what song will work best though, & I'm pretty sure the people who learnt that are still the ones who start many of the songs off now.

I'd not sat in the Kop for donkeys until last time I went when I was in 306, I started songs off twice, the fact I had a proper loudmouth who started singing every two minutes who jumped at the chance to join in helped though.

Once you get over the fear over singing on your own (I used to sing 'on my own on my own on my own' instead of just mumbling to a stop if it got no traction), it's actually not that bad.

If everyone was afraid of singing there'd never be an atmosphere.

On a kinda related note, wtf has happened to L-I-V- E-R-P- -DOUBLE-O-L LIVERPOOL FC? Much better than the current liiiiivvvvveeerrrrrppppoooooollll that sounds like a funeral dirge & is always on the verge of peetering out.
 
On a kinda related note, wtf has happened to L-I-V- E-R-P- -DOUBLE-O-L LIVERPOOL FC? Much better than the current liiiiivvvvveeerrrrrppppoooooollll that sounds like a funeral dirge & is always on the verge of peetering out.

Yeah, that was what I always sang as a kid.

You're right, the current Liv-er-poooool, Liver-pool, is the very essence of depression.
 
On a kinda related note, wtf has happened to L-I-V- E-R-P- -DOUBLE-O-L LIVERPOOL FC? Much better than the current liiiiivvvvveeerrrrrppppoooooollll that sounds like a funeral dirge & is always on the verge of peetering out.

Robert Carlyle happened.
 
Ha. It takes either balls or stupidity to start songs if you're on your own, maybe both.

When we were kids on the Kop we'd always, always try to start them, & usually fail, sometimes it'd be cos it was completely the wrong time to sing a certain song (starting fields of anfield Road when we're starting an attack at pace for example) & others cos our scrawny squeaky voices couldn't get it going.

You learnt when & what song will work best though, & I'm pretty sure the people who learnt that are still the ones who start many of the songs off now.

I'd not sat in the Kop for donkeys until last time I went when I was in 306, I started songs off twice, the fact I had a proper loudmouth who started singing every two minutes who jumped at the chance to join in helped though.

Once you get over the fear over singing on your own (I used to sing 'on my own on my own on my own' instead of just mumbling to a stop if it got no traction), it's actually not that bad.

If everyone was afraid of singing there'd never be an atmosphere.

On a kinda related note, wtf has happened to L-I-V- E-R-P- -DOUBLE-O-L LIVERPOOL FC? Much better than the current liiiiivvvvveeerrrrrppppoooooollll that sounds like a funeral dirge & is always on the verge of peetering out.
It's got a stigma attached to it ever since it was sung by the psycho in that episode of Cracker.
 
Well yeah, I know it stopped when that came out. But I fully expected it to make a come back a couple of seasons later.

Still waiting...
It's been sung since I've been going the match. It's just not that frequent
 
It's been sung since I've been going the match. It's just not that frequent
It should be then.

It gets the blood pumping, everyone can join in easily & belt it out & it's got a rhythm to it.

I really really dislike the current livvvverrrpppooll thing, it sounds downbeat, & depressing, & like everyone's falling asleep as the sing it.
 
I think there is just a tiredness with the club now (Hillsborough vindication, losing Torres, hicks and Gillette, Woy, lack of CL football/trophies, losing suarez) that I was hoping would end after last year.

Seems a lot of people are refusing to get invested and seems to be a lot more apathy
 
It's a cunts song and came from the Anny Road which was full of the day trippers and OOTers. People need educating and the regulars can't sit back too smugly because they didnt contribute much atmosphere.

Chants like this make me cringe. When did we become Chelsea?
 
I was at Anfield last year with my son + a friend and his son.
He is a season ticket holder for a local club. He was struck by the lack of singing (and we were on the Kop).
He said that in Israel the big clubs have "chants leaders" - they stand on sort of "higher stages" facing the fans and with their backs to the game.
They are coordinated and they start the chants and everybody joins. He found it strange that there was no such thing in England and said it would definitely raise the atmosphere.
 
Last night, just when the penalty had been awarded and Henderson and Balotelli were discussing who was going to take it, a couple of blokes near me decided it was time to leave so as to miss the traffic!

I join in most of the songs, except the pathetic ones like "You're not singing any more."

I sing "Fields of Anfield Road" although I think it was a mistake to base the words on past players. We should be singing about the ones on the pitch.
 
Saw this on my King Harry buddy Doug's facebook page. Great article. It needs Binnifying I know but I'm too busy fanning my balls Soz.


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LIVERPOOL: “YOU’RE NOT SINGING ANYMORE”

by Gareth Roberts // 21 February 2015 // 48 Comments
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IT’S a debate that has been going on for years. How do we reclaim The Kop? How do we bring back the famous atmosphere that made Anfield different, that made it special and so revered?
It’s a debate that needs to be had. Yet it’s a debate that always goes the same way. Before we get anywhere, before realistic and achievable solutions are discussed or proposed it breaks down into the age old bullshit: the Scousers v the Wools.
In his match review of the Besiktas game, Gibbo rightly pointed out the moment sections of Thursday’s Anfield crowd delivered the ultimate in ironic statements. After Mario Balotelli had slotted his unnecessarily ‘controversial’ penalty, a section of attendees belted out one of the most cringe worthy of generic football songs: “You’re not singing anymore.”
It’s a small-time chant that has regularly been mocked by Liverpool fans. And here it was, loud and proud within the confines of our ground.
No matter that Besiktas had been followed 2,000 miles by what was probably the most vocal set of away supporters Anfield has witnessed this season. No matter that these fans had (literally) lit up Liverpool with songs, flags and flares earlier in the day. No matter that there was little evidence of the famous Anfield atmosphere for a European night coming from the Liverpool fans for most of the evening.
On the pitch Besiktas were no disgrace either. Organised, efficient, effective, Mario’s late penalty aside it was so close to being the perfect away performance in Europe. Some of their play was, rightfully, applauded by (some of) The Kop.
So why then were so many trotting out a ditty that has been frowned upon for years? Why were this group attempting to take the piss out of a decent team and impressive support in such an unoriginal way? It wasn’t funny, clever or befitting of the occasion.
I can’t get on onboard with the Scouser v Wool fingerpointing that followed. Why? Because I know Reds that live and breathe the club. Know what should be sang and what shouldn’t. Respect the traditions. Know their stuff. They don’t buy The Lying Rag and they’re happy to tell everyone why. They support the ticket prices campaign. Some are from Liverpool and some are from Australia. Some have a purple bin and some don’t.
Put simply, there are those that get it and those that don’t in both camps. A snarling Scouse lad in a North Face telling Henderson he’s shite at every turn, calling Rodgers a fraud and then deciding he’s too cool for school to contribute to an atmosphere? Boss that.
An old bloke from Anfield that bangs on about Billy Liddell and Bill Shankly rather than back the current lads wearing Red? Great.
An out of towner singing the wrong words to Scouser Tommy and belting out tactical advice for 90 minutes? Played.
And most of the Anfield Road singing Soccer AM inspired shite like ‘Who are yer?’. Just no.
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Sadly I’ve witnessed all of the above. And sadly it feels like we’re witnessing the homogenisation of the football crowd. Speak to fans of other clubs. The Emirates is quiet. Old Trafford is quiet. The Etihad is hardly a cauldron of passion. All of the above are witnessing the same transformation. A once vocal, knowledgeable crowd transformed and infiltrated by people who happily wear half and half scarves. Who consume football rather than support it. Who turn up now and again and leave. Who have little interest in rivalries and traditions and generally just ‘getting it’ and instead want the event, the product, the picture for Facebook and the You’ll Never Walk Alone for YouTube.
Time was that Liverpool fans were regarded as ‘intelligent’ about the game. They were collectively seen as different, as funny, as witty, as sharp. All this seems to be dying a slow death. Why? Insert theory here. I’ll offer a few. It’s difficult, verging on impossible to go to the game at Anfield as a group. Groups start songs. Groups are funny. But few big groups are watching the game together at Anfield. For contrast, witness the Reds away from home – especially the more far flung destinations. Loads of fans have travelled as a group, had a bevy, had a laugh and five or six hours later they arrive in good spirits armed with songs. New songs, old songs, funny songs. And they’re belted out with gusto.
Then there’s the price. I moan about it. But I pay it. I waited approaching to close to 20 years for a season ticket in my own name. But there’s no way I can take my son or daughter to the game because of price, practicality and availability of adult-child seats. So I don’t. Where once the likes of my lad might have been schooled in the traditions of the Kop from an early age – for reference my best mate has had a season ticket since he was eight – now he’s unlikely to be going regularly for years to come. If he’s interested by then that is. And by then, maybe ‘you’re not singing…’ and ‘who are yer?’ are the norm rather than the exception.
Meanwhile, tickets that could have blooded the next generation of the clued up Red simply fall into the hands of the highest bidder. Whether that’s via Thomas Cook, touts or elsewhere on the secondary market. The passing down of support through the generations is now a much more difficult task than it’s ever been before.
So what’s the solution? It’s easy to say the atmosphere is crap compared to what it once was but of course it depends on what game is compared to what game. There have been dismal atmospheres down the decades – the football dictates so much. But that point acknowledged there still feels like there has been a deterioration in the basics. Once, not so long ago, almost every player was greeted by The Kop with a rendition of their song during the warm up. This would be duly acknowledged and everyone was happy. Them because they felt liked, us because it felt like they gave a fuck.
Now we have men with microphones delivering team news like a wrestling show. We have theme music. We have a mutant cormorant lurking with intent on the sidelines. And all that has put an end to a long-standing tradition.
The red nets, the old This is Anfield sign, their return was welcome and needed. But maybe we need to get back to some other Liverpool traditions too. Could there be an unreserved section at Anfield? A pay on the day area that could encourage younger, more vociferous groups to congregate and, you know, sing? Is there a way to get more kids through the turnstiles? Should safe standing be given some thought (as opposed to the unsafe standing that goes on now…how are your shins these days?).
Songs. Where have they gone? Where’s the imagination and the wit? Why do you hear them in pubs more than the ground?
What can be done to address all this? What are all the answers? I don’t have them. But what I do know is that letting all this fade away, letting Liverpool and the Kop become just another club and just another stand, would be a crying shame.
You’re not singing anymore? Sadly at Anfield that all too often seems to be the case. And when that singing is *that* song maybe it’s for the best.
 
Fuck this cunt, I've been a supporter since 1976 and been travelling from all over to get to a game with huge expense a effort since my first game in 1989, sick of hearing cunts like this saying I and other like me are not worthy, get fucked Roberts.

"An out of towner singing the wrong words to Scouser Tommy and belting out tactical advice for 90 minutes? Played."

As for this shit ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑, I know about half the words to Scouser Tommy but my tactical advice is no where near half as bad as some of the shit I've heard from locals. A load of shit.
 
What a smug cunt he is, I've been listening to that shit for 25 years but that s the first time I've seen some 'half-brain' write such blatant shit about it. Cunt!
 
Fuck this cunt, I've been a supporter since 1976 and been travelling from all over to get to a game with huge expense a effort since my first game in 1989, sick of hearing cunts like this saying I and other like me are not worthy, get fucked Roberts.

"An out of towner singing the wrong words to Scouser Tommy and belting out tactical advice for 90 minutes? Played."

As for this shit ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑, I know about half the words to Scouser Tommy but my tactical advice is no where near half as bad as some of the shit I've heard from locals. A load of shit.
You would have a great point if that was what he was saying.

He isn't though.
 
"Put simply, there are those that get it and those that don’t in both camps. A snarling Scouse lad in a North Face telling Henderson he’s shite at every turn, calling Rodgers a fraud and then deciding he’s too cool for school to contribute to an atmosphere? Boss that. An old bloke from Anfield that bangs on about Billy Liddell and Bill Shankly rather than back the current lads wearing Red? Great. An out of towner singing the wrong words to Scouser Tommy and belting out tactical advice for 90 minutes? Played. And most of the Anfield Road singing Soccer AM inspired shite like ‘Who are yer?’. Just no."

Your take on that and my take on that may differ, for me, I'm sick of listening to it.
 
Atmosphere's shite at Anfield for most games unfortunately. It's the same at every ground in the Premier League...majority of time. It's not just one or two factors that contribute to that either.

- too many people out for the day out - take countless photos/videos, without taking much of an interest in the actual match and 'supporting' the team. families and shit like that...harsh but true

- cost of going, many a true fan simply can't afford to go now, or certainly not as regularly as they once could.

- stewards being fussy spoil sports and even telling people off for swearing and calming fans down if and when they get a bit excited. fuck off

There's probably 4 or 5 other reasons for shit atmospheres. One thing I will say is people can get fucked with solely pinning the blame on out of towners because some of the most passionate and dedicated fans come aren't from Liverpool and I'm surrounded by many a Scouser during games...plenty of them that moan constantly and/or make very little noise...there's also many that do get behind the team and try to generate some atmosphere.
 
Is there something I'm missing regarding cost? Tickets seem to range from £30-60, which doesn't seem outrageous to me relative to the price of going to an NFL or NBA game for a good team. I would imagine the issue would always be availability?
 
Is there something I'm missing regarding cost? Tickets seem to range from £30-60, which doesn't seem outrageous to me relative to the price of going to an NFL or NBA game for a good team. I would imagine the issue would always be availability?

£30? They're between £45-£55. I know they were only £35 the other night in that Europa game though.
 
What a smug cunt he is, I've been listening to that shit for 25 years but that s the first time I've seen some 'half-brain' write such blatant shit about it. Cunt!

Calm yourself lad. As a proud OOT and someone who has only ever been to about 10 games - I'm not sure I know the words to scouser tommy and I certainly have no tactical nous to shout out. I prefer to hum the songs I don't know and hurl abuse at the ref (Which frankly is my god damn match going right!). Whether or not that makes me a lesser red is up to others to decide. What I do know is when YNWA gets going I start singing. When the reds score I go crazy and usually hug anyone around me. My passion is there and I wear it in whatever way I fucking well choose fit. Do the same and you'll be reet.
 
Saw this on my King Harry buddy Doug's facebook page. Great article. It needs Binnifying I know but I'm too busy fanning my balls Soz.


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LIVERPOOL: “YOU’RE NOT SINGING ANYMORE”

by Gareth Roberts // 21 February 2015 // 48 Comments
150219-014-Liverpool_Besiktas.jpg

IT’S a debate that has been going on for years. How do we reclaim The Kop? How do we bring back the famous atmosphere that made Anfield different, that made it special and so revered?
It’s a debate that needs to be had. Yet it’s a debate that always goes the same way. Before we get anywhere, before realistic and achievable solutions are discussed or proposed it breaks down into the age old bullshit: the Scousers v the Wools.
In his match review of the Besiktas game, Gibbo rightly pointed out the moment sections of Thursday’s Anfield crowd delivered the ultimate in ironic statements. After Mario Balotelli had slotted his unnecessarily ‘controversial’ penalty, a section of attendees belted out one of the most cringe worthy of generic football songs: “You’re not singing anymore.”
It’s a small-time chant that has regularly been mocked by Liverpool fans. And here it was, loud and proud within the confines of our ground.
No matter that Besiktas had been followed 2,000 miles by what was probably the most vocal set of away supporters Anfield has witnessed this season. No matter that these fans had (literally) lit up Liverpool with songs, flags and flares earlier in the day. No matter that there was little evidence of the famous Anfield atmosphere for a European night coming from the Liverpool fans for most of the evening.
On the pitch Besiktas were no disgrace either. Organised, efficient, effective, Mario’s late penalty aside it was so close to being the perfect away performance in Europe. Some of their play was, rightfully, applauded by (some of) The Kop.
So why then were so many trotting out a ditty that has been frowned upon for years? Why were this group attempting to take the piss out of a decent team and impressive support in such an unoriginal way? It wasn’t funny, clever or befitting of the occasion.
I can’t get on onboard with the Scouser v Wool fingerpointing that followed. Why? Because I know Reds that live and breathe the club. Know what should be sang and what shouldn’t. Respect the traditions. Know their stuff. They don’t buy The Lying Rag and they’re happy to tell everyone why. They support the ticket prices campaign. Some are from Liverpool and some are from Australia. Some have a purple bin and some don’t.
Put simply, there are those that get it and those that don’t in both camps. A snarling Scouse lad in a North Face telling Henderson he’s shite at every turn, calling Rodgers a fraud and then deciding he’s too cool for school to contribute to an atmosphere? Boss that.
An old bloke from Anfield that bangs on about Billy Liddell and Bill Shankly rather than back the current lads wearing Red? Great.
An out of towner singing the wrong words to Scouser Tommy and belting out tactical advice for 90 minutes? Played.
And most of the Anfield Road singing Soccer AM inspired shite like ‘Who are yer?’. Just no.
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141215-006-Man_Utd_Liverpool_CB.jpg

Sadly I’ve witnessed all of the above. And sadly it feels like we’re witnessing the homogenisation of the football crowd. Speak to fans of other clubs. The Emirates is quiet. Old Trafford is quiet. The Etihad is hardly a cauldron of passion. All of the above are witnessing the same transformation. A once vocal, knowledgeable crowd transformed and infiltrated by people who happily wear half and half scarves. Who consume football rather than support it. Who turn up now and again and leave. Who have little interest in rivalries and traditions and generally just ‘getting it’ and instead want the event, the product, the picture for Facebook and the You’ll Never Walk Alone for YouTube.
Time was that Liverpool fans were regarded as ‘intelligent’ about the game. They were collectively seen as different, as funny, as witty, as sharp. All this seems to be dying a slow death. Why? Insert theory here. I’ll offer a few. It’s difficult, verging on impossible to go to the game at Anfield as a group. Groups start songs. Groups are funny. But few big groups are watching the game together at Anfield. For contrast, witness the Reds away from home – especially the more far flung destinations. Loads of fans have travelled as a group, had a bevy, had a laugh and five or six hours later they arrive in good spirits armed with songs. New songs, old songs, funny songs. And they’re belted out with gusto.
Then there’s the price. I moan about it. But I pay it. I waited approaching to close to 20 years for a season ticket in my own name. But there’s no way I can take my son or daughter to the game because of price, practicality and availability of adult-child seats. So I don’t. Where once the likes of my lad might have been schooled in the traditions of the Kop from an early age – for reference my best mate has had a season ticket since he was eight – now he’s unlikely to be going regularly for years to come. If he’s interested by then that is. And by then, maybe ‘you’re not singing…’ and ‘who are yer?’ are the norm rather than the exception.
Meanwhile, tickets that could have blooded the next generation of the clued up Red simply fall into the hands of the highest bidder. Whether that’s via Thomas Cook, touts or elsewhere on the secondary market. The passing down of support through the generations is now a much more difficult task than it’s ever been before.
So what’s the solution? It’s easy to say the atmosphere is crap compared to what it once was but of course it depends on what game is compared to what game. There have been dismal atmospheres down the decades – the football dictates so much. But that point acknowledged there still feels like there has been a deterioration in the basics. Once, not so long ago, almost every player was greeted by The Kop with a rendition of their song during the warm up. This would be duly acknowledged and everyone was happy. Them because they felt liked, us because it felt like they gave a fuck.
Now we have men with microphones delivering team news like a wrestling show. We have theme music. We have a mutant cormorant lurking with intent on the sidelines. And all that has put an end to a long-standing tradition.
The red nets, the old This is Anfield sign, their return was welcome and needed. But maybe we need to get back to some other Liverpool traditions too. Could there be an unreserved section at Anfield? A pay on the day area that could encourage younger, more vociferous groups to congregate and, you know, sing? Is there a way to get more kids through the turnstiles? Should safe standing be given some thought (as opposed to the unsafe standing that goes on now…how are your shins these days?).
Songs. Where have they gone? Where’s the imagination and the wit? Why do you hear them in pubs more than the ground?
What can be done to address all this? What are all the answers? I don’t have them. But what I do know is that letting all this fade away, letting Liverpool and the Kop become just another club and just another stand, would be a crying shame.
You’re not singing anymore? Sadly at Anfield that all too often seems to be the case. And when that singing is *that* song maybe it’s for the best.

That is brilliant.
 
Big money brings top foreign talents to the EPL.
Unfortunately it also kills the Englush game as it used to be.
Some valid points in that post. Living abroad myself and supoorting the Reds for 40 years from thousands of miles away with only occassional visits of the UK during those years, I can say that atmosphere has been deterirating during those years.
My first visit in the spring of 1987 was the best as far as atmosphere is concerned. Watching the Merseyside derby as welk as Rushie's last home game prior to his departure still live in my memory.
Watching the Reds led by Luis Suarez thrashing Norwich and West Ham in December 2013 accompanied by my son in his first ever visit, was great to watch, but nowhere near my first visit as far as atmosphere is concerned. And please believe me we sang as much as we could.
 
I remember a CL group game from around 2002 or 2003 against Dynamo Kiew I think. In the back of the Centenary and some guy is there with his gf. She spends the entire first half reading the programme. Never looks up once. Also, how can you find enough to read for 45 mins in the fucking programme?


Maybe a retard. Were lips moving?
 
The bit about singing the players songs during the warm up is very true & something I had forgotten about; the order in which they were sung reflected the current favoritism. And EVERY player had a song, though they were generally less imaginative and were more reflective of the number of syllables in the players name than any particular player attributes ("johnnie barnes, johnnie barnes, johnnie barnes", "mark mark mark mark lawrenson", "one peter beardsley, there's only one peter beardsley" etc)

Of course a lot of that was down to the fact that many fans paid in on the day to stand on the Kop, which generally guaranteed a good crowd in the 30 minutes before kickoff (in the 87/88 season the turnstiles closed about an hour before kickoff). Now with tickets & allocated seats, no one arrives until 5 minutes before kick off.
 
Me & the lads used to walk the game at half 10/11 so we'd be first in the queue for the Kop.

That feeling of excitement & nerves building until they let you in was boss. I'll never, ever forget how seeing that pitch behind those barriers made me feel every other week when we ran excitedly in. I still feel like I've come home when I walk into anfield, but it's not the same.
 
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