Your international best 11 in your lifetime thread.
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[quote author=Bradley link=topic=47504.msg1425459#msg1425459 date=1321202613]
Would cause a hell of an argument though!
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It would make the "Should John Terry be England captain" argument look like a playground squabble.
Would cause a hell of an argument though!
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It would make the "Should John Terry be England captain" argument look like a playground squabble.
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=47504.msg1425459#msg1425459 date=1321202613]
Would cause a hell of an argument though!
[/quote]At the risk of unleashing hell I would say that Baird, Brunt and Evans would be the only three players with a chance of starting in a combined team. That said I know even less about the Norn Iron lads than the shit we have
Would cause a hell of an argument though!
[/quote]At the risk of unleashing hell I would say that Baird, Brunt and Evans would be the only three players with a chance of starting in a combined team. That said I know even less about the Norn Iron lads than the shit we have
[quote author=the count link=topic=47504.msg1425465#msg1425465 date=1321203072]
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=47504.msg1425459#msg1425459 date=1321202613]
Would cause a hell of an argument though!
[/quote]At the risk of unleashing hell I would say that Baird, Brunt and Evans would be the only three players with a chance of starting in a combined team. That said I know even less about the Norn Iron lads than the shit we have
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I don't think that would cause too many rows, we are dire at the moment. I would include Davis though
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=47504.msg1425459#msg1425459 date=1321202613]
Would cause a hell of an argument though!
[/quote]At the risk of unleashing hell I would say that Baird, Brunt and Evans would be the only three players with a chance of starting in a combined team. That said I know even less about the Norn Iron lads than the shit we have
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I don't think that would cause too many rows, we are dire at the moment. I would include Davis though
[quote author=jan link=topic=47504.msg1425450#msg1425450 date=1321202005]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47504.msg1425387#msg1425387 date=1321197458]
Swedish?
Ravelli
Nilsson Andersson Hysen Ljung
Schwartz Thern
Limpar Brolin Blomqvist
Ibrahimovic
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No Larsson?
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Swap Blomqvist for Larsson.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47504.msg1425387#msg1425387 date=1321197458]
Swedish?
Ravelli
Nilsson Andersson Hysen Ljung
Schwartz Thern
Limpar Brolin Blomqvist
Ibrahimovic
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No Larsson?
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Swap Blomqvist for Larsson.
--------------------------Jehle--------------------------------
---------- Stocklasa - Hasler - Telser - D'Elia -----------
-------- Rohrer - Gerster - Büchel - Burgmeier --------
---------------Frick-------------- Beck ----------------------
respectively
------------------------- Koncilia -----------------------------
--------- Sara - Pezzey - Weber - Obermayer ---------
----------- Herzog - Prohaska - Vastic - Jara -----------
----------------- Krankl ---------- Polster ------------------
---------- Stocklasa - Hasler - Telser - D'Elia -----------
-------- Rohrer - Gerster - Büchel - Burgmeier --------
---------------Frick-------------- Beck ----------------------
respectively
------------------------- Koncilia -----------------------------
--------- Sara - Pezzey - Weber - Obermayer ---------
----------- Herzog - Prohaska - Vastic - Jara -----------
----------------- Krankl ---------- Polster ------------------
Pat Jennings
Aaron Hughes
Mal Donaghy
Jimmy Nichol
Norman Whiteside
Martin O'Neill
Jimmy McIlroy
Stephen Davis
George Best
David Healy
Gerry Armstrong
Aaron Hughes
Mal Donaghy
Jimmy Nichol
Norman Whiteside
Martin O'Neill
Jimmy McIlroy
Stephen Davis
George Best
David Healy
Gerry Armstrong
[quote author=refugee link=topic=47504.msg1425458#msg1425458 date=1321202603]
---------------------------------------------Maik Taylor
Steve Morrow-------------Gerry Taggart-------- Jonny Evans------------Aaron Hughes
Keith Gillespie-------------Jim Magilton-----------Steve Lomas-----------Michael Hughes
-------------------------------David Healy-----------Kyle Lafferty
Obviously, I'm only including the players I've seen (I think Best might squeeze out Gillespie whilst Branchflower and Jennings might also be worth consideration).
I think Lafferty is better than Dowie (a lot better in fact, but Ian is a better human being and a lot more professional). There is also an argument for including Lennon, but I'm not going to make it.
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Jennings was perhaps the best keeper in the world at one point in his career. Gillespie keeping out Best? Lomas keeping out Whiteside? ~You been on the crack again Refugee?
---------------------------------------------Maik Taylor
Steve Morrow-------------Gerry Taggart-------- Jonny Evans------------Aaron Hughes
Keith Gillespie-------------Jim Magilton-----------Steve Lomas-----------Michael Hughes
-------------------------------David Healy-----------Kyle Lafferty
Obviously, I'm only including the players I've seen (I think Best might squeeze out Gillespie whilst Branchflower and Jennings might also be worth consideration).
I think Lafferty is better than Dowie (a lot better in fact, but Ian is a better human being and a lot more professional). There is also an argument for including Lennon, but I'm not going to make it.
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Jennings was perhaps the best keeper in the world at one point in his career. Gillespie keeping out Best? Lomas keeping out Whiteside? ~You been on the crack again Refugee?
Read his first sentence again...
No excuses Gerry.
Ha.
Given
Irwin-Lawrenson-Dunne-Staunton
Houghton-McGrath-Keane-Duff
Quinn-Keane
subs Bonner-Brady-Whelan-Sheedy-Aldridge-Beglin-Stapleton
Would have loved to stick Kilbane in for his sheer heart and number of apperances but he's not in the same class as the boys above
Irwin-Lawrenson-Dunne-Staunton
Houghton-McGrath-Keane-Duff
Quinn-Keane
subs Bonner-Brady-Whelan-Sheedy-Aldridge-Beglin-Stapleton
Would have loved to stick Kilbane in for his sheer heart and number of apperances but he's not in the same class as the boys above
I'm not sure how to do this really... on sheer ability?
Seaman
S.Pearce
D.Walker
R.Ferdinand
G.Stevens
C.Waddle
S.Gerrard
P.Gascoigne
G.Hoddle
J.Barnes
R.Fowler
I just went for skill, with the notable, unforgiveable exclusion of Beardsley..... I really really want to put Beardsley in a deep lying striker role but that would mean I drop Barnes and he is my favourite player of all time. I always thought that Fowler in his pomp was better than Shearer( probably because i'm biased).
How in the realm of all jiggery pokery did Mcmanaman get fewer caps than Darren fucking Anderton??
If you must make a balanced team then Gerrard would be dropped for a more defensive player, for England that would be between Reid, Ince or indeed Batty for out and out defending, Robson is a poor mans Gerrard IMO.
Still, lots of pace at the back TONNES of skill in the middle and on the wings.... Digger and God up front.... If only we had more players of that calibre nowadays! There are a 5 genius players in that selection.
As for the "Ryan" question ie what the fuck has he ever done etc .... get fucked... i realise you are all high having beaten Estonia.... its what they COULD have done if England hadnt been cack at footy for years unending.
Seaman
S.Pearce
D.Walker
R.Ferdinand
G.Stevens
C.Waddle
S.Gerrard
P.Gascoigne
G.Hoddle
J.Barnes
R.Fowler
I just went for skill, with the notable, unforgiveable exclusion of Beardsley..... I really really want to put Beardsley in a deep lying striker role but that would mean I drop Barnes and he is my favourite player of all time. I always thought that Fowler in his pomp was better than Shearer( probably because i'm biased).
How in the realm of all jiggery pokery did Mcmanaman get fewer caps than Darren fucking Anderton??
If you must make a balanced team then Gerrard would be dropped for a more defensive player, for England that would be between Reid, Ince or indeed Batty for out and out defending, Robson is a poor mans Gerrard IMO.
Still, lots of pace at the back TONNES of skill in the middle and on the wings.... Digger and God up front.... If only we had more players of that calibre nowadays! There are a 5 genius players in that selection.
As for the "Ryan" question ie what the fuck has he ever done etc .... get fucked... i realise you are all high having beaten Estonia.... its what they COULD have done if England hadnt been cack at footy for years unending.
[quote author=themn link=topic=47504.msg1425823#msg1425823 date=1321285657]
Slightly surprised Des Walker hasn't featured more often.
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Because he got ragged by Overmaier. The beatch.
Slightly surprised Des Walker hasn't featured more often.
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Because he got ragged by Overmaier. The beatch.
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47504.msg1425825#msg1425825 date=1321285911]
[quote author=themn link=topic=47504.msg1425823#msg1425823 date=1321285657]
Slightly surprised Des Walker hasn't featured more often.
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Because he got ragged by Overmaier. The beatch.
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It was a very strange that, for a good while Walker was really good, so so quick, but it's true he never seemed to have the confidence after that. I probably should have picked an Adams or a Campbell type player but i just remember walker being close to unbeatable for a while and kept a soft spot.
[quote author=themn link=topic=47504.msg1425823#msg1425823 date=1321285657]
Slightly surprised Des Walker hasn't featured more often.
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Because he got ragged by Overmaier. The beatch.
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It was a very strange that, for a good while Walker was really good, so so quick, but it's true he never seemed to have the confidence after that. I probably should have picked an Adams or a Campbell type player but i just remember walker being close to unbeatable for a while and kept a soft spot.
Any paddy who doesn't have McGrath in his team needs to take a good look at himself in the mirror and then eat razor blades.
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=47504.msg1425866#msg1425866 date=1321293344]
Any paddy who doesn't have McGrath in his team needs to take a good look at himself in the mirror and then eat razor blades.
[/quote]I think we all have Gene.
The only point of contention is whether he plays centre mid or centre half.
Any paddy who doesn't have McGrath in his team needs to take a good look at himself in the mirror and then eat razor blades.
[/quote]I think we all have Gene.
The only point of contention is whether he plays centre mid or centre half.
oh
[quote author=Richey link=topic=47504.msg1425900#msg1425900 date=1321297116]
Des Walker was fantastic but it seemed to go slightly wrong when he went to play for Sampdoria. I think he got injured around then as well, so lost some pace, hence the problems during the '94 qualifying
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Or lack thereof...
Des Walker was fantastic but it seemed to go slightly wrong when he went to play for Sampdoria. I think he got injured around then as well, so lost some pace, hence the problems during the '94 qualifying
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Or lack thereof...
[quote author=Richey link=topic=47504.msg1425897#msg1425897 date=1321296854]
Not sure he did? Anderton got 30, McManaman got 37
Still a bit low though really
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Anderton nearly always played well for England. McManaman didn't.
Not sure he did? Anderton got 30, McManaman got 37
Still a bit low though really
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Anderton nearly always played well for England. McManaman didn't.
[quote author=jan link=topic=47504.msg1425303#msg1425303 date=1321185443]
And now for something completely different
Handanovic
Brecko Milanic Knavs Jokic
Pavlin Koren
Acimovic Zahovic Birsa
Novakovic
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The inclusion of Birsa is certainly controversial!
At a guess, that is Slovenia?
And now for something completely different
Handanovic
Brecko Milanic Knavs Jokic
Pavlin Koren
Acimovic Zahovic Birsa
Novakovic
[/quote]
The inclusion of Birsa is certainly controversial!
At a guess, that is Slovenia?
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=47504.msg1426073#msg1426073 date=1321312235]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=47504.msg1425897#msg1425897 date=1321296854]
Not sure he did? Anderton got 30, McManaman got 37
Still a bit low though really
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Anderton nearly always played well for England. McManaman didn't.
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Darren was a fuckin beast for England, remember his goal against Sweden in Euro 92?
I wish McManaman was as good, same could be said about Robbie.
The only player who has played at normal level for England in recent memory must be Owen.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=47504.msg1425897#msg1425897 date=1321296854]
Not sure he did? Anderton got 30, McManaman got 37
Still a bit low though really
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Anderton nearly always played well for England. McManaman didn't.
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Darren was a fuckin beast for England, remember his goal against Sweden in Euro 92?
I wish McManaman was as good, same could be said about Robbie.
The only player who has played at normal level for England in recent memory must be Owen.
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=47504.msg1426073#msg1426073 date=1321312235]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=47504.msg1425897#msg1425897 date=1321296854]
Not sure he did? Anderton got 30, McManaman got 37
Still a bit low though really
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Anderton nearly always played well for England. McManaman didn't.
[/quote]
McMoneyman was always stuck on the left wing to accommodate Anderton. Similar to Gerrard in a way, his versatility negatively effected his playing style at International level whilst making others look better.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=47504.msg1425897#msg1425897 date=1321296854]
Not sure he did? Anderton got 30, McManaman got 37
Still a bit low though really
[/quote]
Anderton nearly always played well for England. McManaman didn't.
[/quote]
McMoneyman was always stuck on the left wing to accommodate Anderton. Similar to Gerrard in a way, his versatility negatively effected his playing style at International level whilst making others look better.
[quote author=refugee link=topic=47504.msg1426092#msg1426092 date=1321314251]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=47504.msg1426073#msg1426073 date=1321312235]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=47504.msg1425897#msg1425897 date=1321296854]
Not sure he did? Anderton got 30, McManaman got 37
Still a bit low though really
[/quote]
Anderton nearly always played well for England. McManaman didn't.
[/quote]
McMoneyman was always stuck on the left wing to accommodate Anderton. Similar to Gerrard in a way, his versatility negatively effected his playing style at International level whilst making others look better.
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Agreed,
if England had built their team around Gerrard and Rooney for the last few years they'd have looked and performed a lot better.
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=47504.msg1426073#msg1426073 date=1321312235]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=47504.msg1425897#msg1425897 date=1321296854]
Not sure he did? Anderton got 30, McManaman got 37
Still a bit low though really
[/quote]
Anderton nearly always played well for England. McManaman didn't.
[/quote]
McMoneyman was always stuck on the left wing to accommodate Anderton. Similar to Gerrard in a way, his versatility negatively effected his playing style at International level whilst making others look better.
[/quote]
Agreed,
if England had built their team around Gerrard and Rooney for the last few years they'd have looked and performed a lot better.
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=47504.msg1425768#msg1425768 date=1321279933]
Pat Jennings
Aaron Hughes
Mal Donaghy
Jimmy Nichol
Norman Whiteside
Martin O'Neill
Jimmy McIlroy
Stephen Davis
George Best
David Healy
Gerry Armstrong
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A few other honourable mentions or possible inclusions:
Goalkeepers
- Harry Gregg (included in a World Cup Allstar team in 1958, ahead of the mighty Lev Yashin and at the time was the most expensive goalkeeper in the world).
- Elisha Scott (our very own Liverpool legend, won back-to-back league titles in the early '20's)
Defenders
- Pat Rice (He's one of only 3 Arsenal players to have played in 5 FA Cup Finals ('71, '72, '78, '79, '80). Won the League and FA Cup double in 1971. He also led Arsenal to the 1980 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup Final, which they lost on penalties to Valencia. Even towards the end of his career helped Watford gain promotion to the First Division in 1982)
- John McClelland (Welsh Cup runner up with Cardiff and Bangor City. Two Scottish League Cup winner's medals, and was twice a Scottish Cup runner up with Rangers. During his five years at Watford he was voted their Player of the Season twice. Won the Football League First Division title with Leeds in the 1991–92 season.)
- Billy McCracken (Helped Newcastle win three League titles, the FA Cup and was also a FA Cup finalist twice. In total he played 432 games for Newcastle, scoring 88 goals. He brought about a rule change in the offside rule because of his tactical astuteness in catching the opposing teams forwards offside.)
- Alf McMichael (At one point he was considered the best left-back in Britain. Appeared for Newcastle 433 times and won the FA Cup in 1952.)
- Sammy Nelson (In 1975 he became Arsenal's first-choice left back and for the next five seasons he was a near ever-present in the Arsenal side, and he played in all three of the Gunners' successive FA Cup finals (1978, 1979 and 1980) as well the Gunners' 1980 Cup Winners' Cup loss on penalties to Valencia.)
Midfielders
- Danny Blanchflower (Captained NI when they reached the quarter-finals of the World Cup in 1958 and like Gregg was included in the WC Allstar team. Also, Captained Tottenham during its double-winning season of 1961 and also won the FA Cup the following year. In 1963 he led his side to victory over Atlético Madrid in the final of the European Cup Winners' Cup. He was awarded Football Writers Player of the Year twice in 1958 and 1961.)
- Billy Bingham (Made 227 appearances and scored 47 goals for Sunderland from the wing. During his time at Luton, he made 97 appearances and scored 33 goals and reached the 1959 FA Cup Final. He had a similar record at Everton, scoring 26 goals in 98 games winning the First Division in 1963.)
- Sammy McIlroy (Last of the 'Busby Babes', Reached an FA Cup final in 1976 and picked up a winner's medal the following year and was runner-up again in '79.)
Forwards
- Peter McParland (Whilst at Aston Villa, won the FA Cup in 1957, scoring twice in the final. Also won the Second Division title in 1960 and the League Cup in 1961. He starred in the 1958 World Cup in which he scored 5 goals, helping NI to the quarter-finals.)
- Billy Simpson (He spent nine years at Rangers making 239 appearances and scoring 163 goals. He won 3 championship medals and a Scottish Cup winners medal with Rangers to add to the two Irish League and two Irish Cups he won with Linfield. He was selected in NI's squad for the 1958 World Cup but a late injury ensured he did not play at all during the finals.)
- Joe Bambrick (Scored 12 goals in 11 games for Ireland, including six in one game against Wales, which still remains a record for a British Isles player in an international fixture. He was a prolific goalscorer and apparently scored 364 goals in 299 appearances.)
- Derek Dougan (Scored 294 goals in 685 matches, including 95 in 258 for Wolves. He scored hat-tricks in the First Division, the Second Division, the Third Division, the FA Cup, the League Cup and the UEFA Cup and netted more English League goals than any other Irishman. He's also the only Wolves player to have scored a hat-trick in a major European competition. His tally of 12 goals in European competition is also a club record. While at Wolves he was a UEFA Cup runner up in 1972 and won a League Cup in 1974. In 1960 he was a FA Cup runner up with Blackburn.)
- Peter Doherty (Began his career with Glentoran in the Irish League, helping them to the 1933 Irish Cup. He scored 29 goals in 89 games for Blackpool. Joined Man City in 1936 for a then-club-record of £10,000, coming within £1,000 of the British record. He endured an unsuccessful debut due to one Bill Shankly but won a league title with Manchester City in his second season there. He eventually scored 81 goals in 133 league appearances at Maine Road. After the conclusion of the war, he transferred to Derby County, with whom he won the FA Cup in 1946, scoring in the final itself. In total, he netted 205 goals in 423 appearances. He later managed NI to the 1958 World Cup, reaching the quarter finals. He was in the first group of 22 players to be inducted into the English Football Players Hall of Fame.)
Pat Jennings
Aaron Hughes
Mal Donaghy
Jimmy Nichol
Norman Whiteside
Martin O'Neill
Jimmy McIlroy
Stephen Davis
George Best
David Healy
Gerry Armstrong
[/quote]
A few other honourable mentions or possible inclusions:
Goalkeepers
- Harry Gregg (included in a World Cup Allstar team in 1958, ahead of the mighty Lev Yashin and at the time was the most expensive goalkeeper in the world).
- Elisha Scott (our very own Liverpool legend, won back-to-back league titles in the early '20's)
Defenders
- Pat Rice (He's one of only 3 Arsenal players to have played in 5 FA Cup Finals ('71, '72, '78, '79, '80). Won the League and FA Cup double in 1971. He also led Arsenal to the 1980 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup Final, which they lost on penalties to Valencia. Even towards the end of his career helped Watford gain promotion to the First Division in 1982)
- John McClelland (Welsh Cup runner up with Cardiff and Bangor City. Two Scottish League Cup winner's medals, and was twice a Scottish Cup runner up with Rangers. During his five years at Watford he was voted their Player of the Season twice. Won the Football League First Division title with Leeds in the 1991–92 season.)
- Billy McCracken (Helped Newcastle win three League titles, the FA Cup and was also a FA Cup finalist twice. In total he played 432 games for Newcastle, scoring 88 goals. He brought about a rule change in the offside rule because of his tactical astuteness in catching the opposing teams forwards offside.)
- Alf McMichael (At one point he was considered the best left-back in Britain. Appeared for Newcastle 433 times and won the FA Cup in 1952.)
- Sammy Nelson (In 1975 he became Arsenal's first-choice left back and for the next five seasons he was a near ever-present in the Arsenal side, and he played in all three of the Gunners' successive FA Cup finals (1978, 1979 and 1980) as well the Gunners' 1980 Cup Winners' Cup loss on penalties to Valencia.)
Midfielders
- Danny Blanchflower (Captained NI when they reached the quarter-finals of the World Cup in 1958 and like Gregg was included in the WC Allstar team. Also, Captained Tottenham during its double-winning season of 1961 and also won the FA Cup the following year. In 1963 he led his side to victory over Atlético Madrid in the final of the European Cup Winners' Cup. He was awarded Football Writers Player of the Year twice in 1958 and 1961.)
- Billy Bingham (Made 227 appearances and scored 47 goals for Sunderland from the wing. During his time at Luton, he made 97 appearances and scored 33 goals and reached the 1959 FA Cup Final. He had a similar record at Everton, scoring 26 goals in 98 games winning the First Division in 1963.)
- Sammy McIlroy (Last of the 'Busby Babes', Reached an FA Cup final in 1976 and picked up a winner's medal the following year and was runner-up again in '79.)
Forwards
- Peter McParland (Whilst at Aston Villa, won the FA Cup in 1957, scoring twice in the final. Also won the Second Division title in 1960 and the League Cup in 1961. He starred in the 1958 World Cup in which he scored 5 goals, helping NI to the quarter-finals.)
- Billy Simpson (He spent nine years at Rangers making 239 appearances and scoring 163 goals. He won 3 championship medals and a Scottish Cup winners medal with Rangers to add to the two Irish League and two Irish Cups he won with Linfield. He was selected in NI's squad for the 1958 World Cup but a late injury ensured he did not play at all during the finals.)
- Joe Bambrick (Scored 12 goals in 11 games for Ireland, including six in one game against Wales, which still remains a record for a British Isles player in an international fixture. He was a prolific goalscorer and apparently scored 364 goals in 299 appearances.)
- Derek Dougan (Scored 294 goals in 685 matches, including 95 in 258 for Wolves. He scored hat-tricks in the First Division, the Second Division, the Third Division, the FA Cup, the League Cup and the UEFA Cup and netted more English League goals than any other Irishman. He's also the only Wolves player to have scored a hat-trick in a major European competition. His tally of 12 goals in European competition is also a club record. While at Wolves he was a UEFA Cup runner up in 1972 and won a League Cup in 1974. In 1960 he was a FA Cup runner up with Blackburn.)
- Peter Doherty (Began his career with Glentoran in the Irish League, helping them to the 1933 Irish Cup. He scored 29 goals in 89 games for Blackpool. Joined Man City in 1936 for a then-club-record of £10,000, coming within £1,000 of the British record. He endured an unsuccessful debut due to one Bill Shankly but won a league title with Manchester City in his second season there. He eventually scored 81 goals in 133 league appearances at Maine Road. After the conclusion of the war, he transferred to Derby County, with whom he won the FA Cup in 1946, scoring in the final itself. In total, he netted 205 goals in 423 appearances. He later managed NI to the 1958 World Cup, reaching the quarter finals. He was in the first group of 22 players to be inducted into the English Football Players Hall of Fame.)
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