yossi or garcia?
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952268#msg952268 date=1254080380]
I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The Lying Rag Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The Lying Rag Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36087.msg952454#msg952454 date=1254096092]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952268#msg952268 date=1254080380]
I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952268#msg952268 date=1254080380]
I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952461#msg952461 date=1254096624]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36087.msg952454#msg952454 date=1254096092]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952268#msg952268 date=1254080380]
I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
[/quote]
As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36087.msg952454#msg952454 date=1254096092]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952268#msg952268 date=1254080380]
I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
[/quote]
As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36087.msg952463#msg952463 date=1254096845]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952461#msg952461 date=1254096624]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36087.msg952454#msg952454 date=1254096092]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952268#msg952268 date=1254080380]
I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
[/quote]
As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[/quote]Behave yourself.
How can Yossi possibly be better when Garcia started 16 games for Barcelona 7 years ago when they won Fuck all right?
How can Yossi be better when he hasnt won a trophy with Liverpool when Garcia did right?
How can you compare them when ones at the end of their career.....oh wait theres just 2 years between them!
How can you judge Yossi on just two weeks, even though hes been a huge part of our team since last year and was a huge part of us going to within a week or two of the title?
Wise up Ryan.
I admitted Garcia did some great things, but if he was half as fucking good as you (and a few others) think he is he wouldnt be playing for santander or whoever it is. He wouldnt have been bombed out of Barca by Rikjaard, or Liverpool by Rafa or struggled to get a game for Atleti for the last two years.
His career has gone exactly as you would expect a player like him to go. Brief flashes of brilliance and lots and lots of dissappointing shite.
Dont bother responding, i know what you think, you know what i do and no ones changing anyones mind regardless of how hysterical the post. X
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952461#msg952461 date=1254096624]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36087.msg952454#msg952454 date=1254096092]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952268#msg952268 date=1254080380]
I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
[/quote]
As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[/quote]Behave yourself.
How can Yossi possibly be better when Garcia started 16 games for Barcelona 7 years ago when they won Fuck all right?
How can Yossi be better when he hasnt won a trophy with Liverpool when Garcia did right?
How can you compare them when ones at the end of their career.....oh wait theres just 2 years between them!
How can you judge Yossi on just two weeks, even though hes been a huge part of our team since last year and was a huge part of us going to within a week or two of the title?
Wise up Ryan.
I admitted Garcia did some great things, but if he was half as fucking good as you (and a few others) think he is he wouldnt be playing for santander or whoever it is. He wouldnt have been bombed out of Barca by Rikjaard, or Liverpool by Rafa or struggled to get a game for Atleti for the last two years.
His career has gone exactly as you would expect a player like him to go. Brief flashes of brilliance and lots and lots of dissappointing shite.
Dont bother responding, i know what you think, you know what i do and no ones changing anyones mind regardless of how hysterical the post. X
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952468#msg952468 date=1254097637]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36087.msg952463#msg952463 date=1254096845]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952461#msg952461 date=1254096624]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36087.msg952454#msg952454 date=1254096092]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952268#msg952268 date=1254080380]
I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
[/quote]
As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[/quote]Behave yourself.
How can Yossi possibly be better when Garcia started 16 games for Barcelona 7 years ago when they won Fuck all right?
How can Yossi be better when he hasnt won a trophy with Liverpool when Garcia did right?
How can you compare them when ones at the end of their career.....oh wait theres just 2 years between them!
How can you judge Yossi on just two weeks, even though hes been a huge part of our team since last year and was a huge part of us going to within a week or two of the title?
Wise up Ryan.
I admitted Garcia did some great things, but if he was half as fucking good as you (and a few others) think he is he wouldnt be playing for santander or whoever it is. He wouldnt have been bombed out of Barca by Rikjaard, or Liverpool by Rafa or struggled to get a game for Atleti for the last two years.
His career has gone exactly as you would expect a player like him to go. Brief flashes of brilliance and lots and lots of dissappointing shite.
Dont bother responding, i know what you think, you know what i do and no ones changing anyones mind regardless of how hysterical the post. X
[/quote]
That about sums it up.
Garcia gave us some magic moment, in Europe and against Everton but over the course of a season was not consistent enough end off.
Yossi is showing how good he is because he is finally been given a run in the side.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36087.msg952463#msg952463 date=1254096845]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952461#msg952461 date=1254096624]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36087.msg952454#msg952454 date=1254096092]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952268#msg952268 date=1254080380]
I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
[/quote]
As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[/quote]Behave yourself.
How can Yossi possibly be better when Garcia started 16 games for Barcelona 7 years ago when they won Fuck all right?
How can Yossi be better when he hasnt won a trophy with Liverpool when Garcia did right?
How can you compare them when ones at the end of their career.....oh wait theres just 2 years between them!
How can you judge Yossi on just two weeks, even though hes been a huge part of our team since last year and was a huge part of us going to within a week or two of the title?
Wise up Ryan.
I admitted Garcia did some great things, but if he was half as fucking good as you (and a few others) think he is he wouldnt be playing for santander or whoever it is. He wouldnt have been bombed out of Barca by Rikjaard, or Liverpool by Rafa or struggled to get a game for Atleti for the last two years.
His career has gone exactly as you would expect a player like him to go. Brief flashes of brilliance and lots and lots of dissappointing shite.
Dont bother responding, i know what you think, you know what i do and no ones changing anyones mind regardless of how hysterical the post. X
[/quote]
That about sums it up.
Garcia gave us some magic moment, in Europe and against Everton but over the course of a season was not consistent enough end off.
Yossi is showing how good he is because he is finally been given a run in the side.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952468#msg952468 date=1254097637]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36087.msg952463#msg952463 date=1254096845]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952461#msg952461 date=1254096624]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36087.msg952454#msg952454 date=1254096092]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952268#msg952268 date=1254080380]
I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
[/quote]
As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[/quote]Behave yourself.
How can Yossi possibly be better when Garcia started 16 games for Barcelona 7 years ago when they won Fuck all right?
How can Yossi be better when he hasnt won a trophy with Liverpool when Garcia did right?
How can you compare them when ones at the end of their career.....oh wait theres just 2 years between them!
How can you judge Yossi on just two weeks, even though hes been a huge part of our team since last year and was a huge part of us going to within a week or two of the title?
Wise up Ryan.
I admitted Garcia did some great things, but if he was half as fucking good as you (and a few others) think he is he wouldnt be playing for santander or whoever it is. He wouldnt have been bombed out of Barca by Rikjaard, or Liverpool by Rafa or struggled to get a game for Atleti for the last two years.
His career has gone exactly as you would expect a player like him to go. Brief flashes of brilliance and lots and lots of dissappointing shite.
Dont bother responding, i know what you think, you know what i do and no ones changing anyones mind regardless of how hysterical the post. X
[/quote]
You talk about "Brief flashes of brilliance" like they were tatsy passes, or a fancy back-heel Oncy.
I like Benayoun, and it's great to see that after 2 years of next-to-nothing, he's finally showing some excellent form. But it's one thing turning it on against Burnley, scoring vital goals in an average side against Europe's best in the Second Round, Quarter-Final & Semi-Final stage of the Champions League is quite another.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36087.msg952463#msg952463 date=1254096845]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952461#msg952461 date=1254096624]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36087.msg952454#msg952454 date=1254096092]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952268#msg952268 date=1254080380]
I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
[/quote]
As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[/quote]Behave yourself.
How can Yossi possibly be better when Garcia started 16 games for Barcelona 7 years ago when they won Fuck all right?
How can Yossi be better when he hasnt won a trophy with Liverpool when Garcia did right?
How can you compare them when ones at the end of their career.....oh wait theres just 2 years between them!
How can you judge Yossi on just two weeks, even though hes been a huge part of our team since last year and was a huge part of us going to within a week or two of the title?
Wise up Ryan.
I admitted Garcia did some great things, but if he was half as fucking good as you (and a few others) think he is he wouldnt be playing for santander or whoever it is. He wouldnt have been bombed out of Barca by Rikjaard, or Liverpool by Rafa or struggled to get a game for Atleti for the last two years.
His career has gone exactly as you would expect a player like him to go. Brief flashes of brilliance and lots and lots of dissappointing shite.
Dont bother responding, i know what you think, you know what i do and no ones changing anyones mind regardless of how hysterical the post. X
[/quote]
You talk about "Brief flashes of brilliance" like they were tatsy passes, or a fancy back-heel Oncy.
I like Benayoun, and it's great to see that after 2 years of next-to-nothing, he's finally showing some excellent form. But it's one thing turning it on against Burnley, scoring vital goals in an average side against Europe's best in the Second Round, Quarter-Final & Semi-Final stage of the Champions League is quite another.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36087.msg952454#msg952454 date=1254096092]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952268#msg952268 date=1254080380]
I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]
Ryan, in fairness, you've slagged off Oncy for being one sided, and done the same...
It's the goals against the likes of Burnley that we need Yossi for Ryan...
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952268#msg952268 date=1254080380]
I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]
Ryan, in fairness, you've slagged off Oncy for being one sided, and done the same...
It's the goals against the likes of Burnley that we need Yossi for Ryan...
I came on here to say the same as Ryan essentially.
I quite like both players, and have a definite soft spot for Garcia, but it's probably because he came up with some magic moments at absolutely crucial times, and was a joy to watch. Yossi is slightly better overall, but we are making the comparison at a time when Yossi's form has been spot on, which it certainly hasn't always been, and Yossi hasn't been a magician on the big stage anywhere near as much, and I'm not just talking Europe.
And Oncy, saying Camara:Owen::Garcia:Yossi is demented, and completely disrespectful to a player who was a completely necessary and successful creative spark in an otherwise fairly predictable attack. This idea that Garcia was mostly shit and occasionally popped up with a goal is a complete fabrication. He did tons of other work he doesn't get credit for, he held on to the ball quite well, was an incredibly useful outlet a lot of times. He had one public bad run of form that turned some of the stupid punditry against him, and hence some of the viewers. Yossi had the same, it's just that there were other options when he did, so he got rightly dropped for large periods of time.
I quite like both players, and have a definite soft spot for Garcia, but it's probably because he came up with some magic moments at absolutely crucial times, and was a joy to watch. Yossi is slightly better overall, but we are making the comparison at a time when Yossi's form has been spot on, which it certainly hasn't always been, and Yossi hasn't been a magician on the big stage anywhere near as much, and I'm not just talking Europe.
And Oncy, saying Camara:Owen::Garcia:Yossi is demented, and completely disrespectful to a player who was a completely necessary and successful creative spark in an otherwise fairly predictable attack. This idea that Garcia was mostly shit and occasionally popped up with a goal is a complete fabrication. He did tons of other work he doesn't get credit for, he held on to the ball quite well, was an incredibly useful outlet a lot of times. He had one public bad run of form that turned some of the stupid punditry against him, and hence some of the viewers. Yossi had the same, it's just that there were other options when he did, so he got rightly dropped for large periods of time.
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I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
[/quote]
As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[/quote]Behave yourself.
How can Yossi possibly be better when Garcia started 16 games for Barcelona 7 years ago when they won Fuck all right?
How can Yossi be better when he hasnt won a trophy with Liverpool when Garcia did right?
How can you compare them when ones at the end of their career.....oh wait theres just 2 years between them!
How can you judge Yossi on just two weeks, even though hes been a huge part of our team since last year and was a huge part of us going to within a week or two of the title?
Wise up Ryan.
I admitted Garcia did some great things, but if he was half as fucking good as you (and a few others) think he is he wouldnt be playing for santander or whoever it is. He wouldnt have been bombed out of Barca by Rikjaard, or Liverpool by Rafa or struggled to get a game for Atleti for the last two years.
His career has gone exactly as you would expect a player like him to go. Brief flashes of brilliance and lots and lots of dissappointing shite.
Dont bother responding, i know what you think, you know what i do and no ones changing anyones mind regardless of how hysterical the post. X
[/quote]
You talk about "Brief flashes of brilliance" like they were tatsy passes, or a fancy back-heel Oncy.
I like Benayoun, and it's great to see that after 2 years of next-to-nothing, he's finally showing some excellent form. But it's one thing turning it on against Burnley, scoring vital goals in an average side against Europe's best in the Second Round, Quarter-Final & Semi-Final stage of the Champions League is quite another.
[/quote]Benayoun hasnt been played in the European cup as much as Garcia was.
That said he did get the winner against Madrid in the Bernabau didnt he?
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952268#msg952268 date=1254080380]
I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
[/quote]
As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[/quote]Behave yourself.
How can Yossi possibly be better when Garcia started 16 games for Barcelona 7 years ago when they won Fuck all right?
How can Yossi be better when he hasnt won a trophy with Liverpool when Garcia did right?
How can you compare them when ones at the end of their career.....oh wait theres just 2 years between them!
How can you judge Yossi on just two weeks, even though hes been a huge part of our team since last year and was a huge part of us going to within a week or two of the title?
Wise up Ryan.
I admitted Garcia did some great things, but if he was half as fucking good as you (and a few others) think he is he wouldnt be playing for santander or whoever it is. He wouldnt have been bombed out of Barca by Rikjaard, or Liverpool by Rafa or struggled to get a game for Atleti for the last two years.
His career has gone exactly as you would expect a player like him to go. Brief flashes of brilliance and lots and lots of dissappointing shite.
Dont bother responding, i know what you think, you know what i do and no ones changing anyones mind regardless of how hysterical the post. X
[/quote]
You talk about "Brief flashes of brilliance" like they were tatsy passes, or a fancy back-heel Oncy.
I like Benayoun, and it's great to see that after 2 years of next-to-nothing, he's finally showing some excellent form. But it's one thing turning it on against Burnley, scoring vital goals in an average side against Europe's best in the Second Round, Quarter-Final & Semi-Final stage of the Champions League is quite another.
[/quote]Benayoun hasnt been played in the European cup as much as Garcia was.
That said he did get the winner against Madrid in the Bernabau didnt he?
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I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
[/quote]
As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[/quote]Behave yourself.
How can Yossi possibly be better when Garcia started 16 games for Barcelona 7 years ago when they won Fuck all right?
How can Yossi be better when he hasnt won a trophy with Liverpool when Garcia did right?
How can you compare them when ones at the end of their career.....oh wait theres just 2 years between them!
How can you judge Yossi on just two weeks, even though hes been a huge part of our team since last year and was a huge part of us going to within a week or two of the title?
Wise up Ryan.
I admitted Garcia did some great things, but if he was half as fucking good as you (and a few others) think he is he wouldnt be playing for santander or whoever it is. He wouldnt have been bombed out of Barca by Rikjaard, or Liverpool by Rafa or struggled to get a game for Atleti for the last two years.
His career has gone exactly as you would expect a player like him to go. Brief flashes of brilliance and lots and lots of dissappointing shite.
Dont bother responding, i know what you think, you know what i do and no ones changing anyones mind regardless of how hysterical the post. X
[/quote]
You talk about "Brief flashes of brilliance" like they were tatsy passes, or a fancy back-heel Oncy.
I like Benayoun, and it's great to see that after 2 years of next-to-nothing, he's finally showing some excellent form. But it's one thing turning it on against Burnley, scoring vital goals in an average side against Europe's best in the Second Round, Quarter-Final & Semi-Final stage of the Champions League is quite another.
[/quote]Benayoun hasnt been played in the European cup as much as Garcia was.
That said he did get the winner against Madrid in the Bernabau didnt he?
[/quote]
Aye, you've showed me up there.
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I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
[/quote]
As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[/quote]Behave yourself.
How can Yossi possibly be better when Garcia started 16 games for Barcelona 7 years ago when they won Fuck all right?
How can Yossi be better when he hasnt won a trophy with Liverpool when Garcia did right?
How can you compare them when ones at the end of their career.....oh wait theres just 2 years between them!
How can you judge Yossi on just two weeks, even though hes been a huge part of our team since last year and was a huge part of us going to within a week or two of the title?
Wise up Ryan.
I admitted Garcia did some great things, but if he was half as fucking good as you (and a few others) think he is he wouldnt be playing for santander or whoever it is. He wouldnt have been bombed out of Barca by Rikjaard, or Liverpool by Rafa or struggled to get a game for Atleti for the last two years.
His career has gone exactly as you would expect a player like him to go. Brief flashes of brilliance and lots and lots of dissappointing shite.
Dont bother responding, i know what you think, you know what i do and no ones changing anyones mind regardless of how hysterical the post. X
[/quote]
You talk about "Brief flashes of brilliance" like they were tatsy passes, or a fancy back-heel Oncy.
I like Benayoun, and it's great to see that after 2 years of next-to-nothing, he's finally showing some excellent form. But it's one thing turning it on against Burnley, scoring vital goals in an average side against Europe's best in the Second Round, Quarter-Final & Semi-Final stage of the Champions League is quite another.
[/quote]Benayoun hasnt been played in the European cup as much as Garcia was.
That said he did get the winner against Madrid in the Bernabau didnt he?
[/quote]
Aye, you've showed me up there.
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=36087.msg952516#msg952516 date=1254116317]
I came on here to say the same as Ryan essentially.
I quite like both players, and have a definite soft spot for Garcia, but it's probably because he came up with some magic moments at absolutely crucial times, and was a joy to watch. Yossi is slightly better overall, but we are making the comparison at a time when Yossi's form has been spot on, which it certainly hasn't always been, and Yossi hasn't been a magician on the big stage anywhere near as much, and I'm not just talking Europe.
And Oncy, saying Camara:Owen::Garcia:Yossi is demented, and completely disrespectful to a player who was a completely necessary and successful creative spark in an otherwise fairly predictable attack. This idea that Garcia was mostly shit and occasionally popped up with a goal is a complete fabrication. He did tons of other work he doesn't get credit for, he held on to the ball quite well, was an incredibly useful outlet a lot of times. He had one public bad run of form that turned some of the stupid punditry against him, and hence some of the viewers. Yossi had the same, it's just that there were other options when he did, so he got rightly dropped for large periods of time.
[/quote]I couldnt disagree more.
Garcia got away with murder because we werent a great team and he could occassionally elevate us to a higher level.
The rest of the time he was the same frustrating waster weve seen warming the Atleti bench for two years.
No punditry has swayed my view. He was lazy and wasted possession, two of the worst crimes for me on a football field.
If we could go back to koptalk you would see that i always hated him playing for us, he made me want to rip my eyeballs out with frustration with about 12 exceptions in 3 years.
He's the most overrated Liverpool player in years. Least i thought he was till i read this thread, where it seems as though everyone bar you and Ryan thinks of him almost exactly as i do.
Anyhow, as i said i doubt any minds are to be changed here.
I came on here to say the same as Ryan essentially.
I quite like both players, and have a definite soft spot for Garcia, but it's probably because he came up with some magic moments at absolutely crucial times, and was a joy to watch. Yossi is slightly better overall, but we are making the comparison at a time when Yossi's form has been spot on, which it certainly hasn't always been, and Yossi hasn't been a magician on the big stage anywhere near as much, and I'm not just talking Europe.
And Oncy, saying Camara:Owen::Garcia:Yossi is demented, and completely disrespectful to a player who was a completely necessary and successful creative spark in an otherwise fairly predictable attack. This idea that Garcia was mostly shit and occasionally popped up with a goal is a complete fabrication. He did tons of other work he doesn't get credit for, he held on to the ball quite well, was an incredibly useful outlet a lot of times. He had one public bad run of form that turned some of the stupid punditry against him, and hence some of the viewers. Yossi had the same, it's just that there were other options when he did, so he got rightly dropped for large periods of time.
[/quote]I couldnt disagree more.
Garcia got away with murder because we werent a great team and he could occassionally elevate us to a higher level.
The rest of the time he was the same frustrating waster weve seen warming the Atleti bench for two years.
No punditry has swayed my view. He was lazy and wasted possession, two of the worst crimes for me on a football field.
If we could go back to koptalk you would see that i always hated him playing for us, he made me want to rip my eyeballs out with frustration with about 12 exceptions in 3 years.
He's the most overrated Liverpool player in years. Least i thought he was till i read this thread, where it seems as though everyone bar you and Ryan thinks of him almost exactly as i do.
Anyhow, as i said i doubt any minds are to be changed here.
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I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
[/quote]
As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[/quote]Behave yourself.
How can Yossi possibly be better when Garcia started 16 games for Barcelona 7 years ago when they won Fuck all right?
How can Yossi be better when he hasnt won a trophy with Liverpool when Garcia did right?
How can you compare them when ones at the end of their career.....oh wait theres just 2 years between them!
How can you judge Yossi on just two weeks, even though hes been a huge part of our team since last year and was a huge part of us going to within a week or two of the title?
Wise up Ryan.
I admitted Garcia did some great things, but if he was half as fucking good as you (and a few others) think he is he wouldnt be playing for santander or whoever it is. He wouldnt have been bombed out of Barca by Rikjaard, or Liverpool by Rafa or struggled to get a game for Atleti for the last two years.
His career has gone exactly as you would expect a player like him to go. Brief flashes of brilliance and lots and lots of dissappointing shite.
Dont bother responding, i know what you think, you know what i do and no ones changing anyones mind regardless of how hysterical the post. X
[/quote]
You talk about "Brief flashes of brilliance" like they were tatsy passes, or a fancy back-heel Oncy.
I like Benayoun, and it's great to see that after 2 years of next-to-nothing, he's finally showing some excellent form. But it's one thing turning it on against Burnley, scoring vital goals in an average side against Europe's best in the Second Round, Quarter-Final & Semi-Final stage of the Champions League is quite another.
[/quote]Benayoun hasnt been played in the European cup as much as Garcia was.
That said he did get the winner against Madrid in the Bernabau didnt he?
[/quote]
Aye, you've showed me up there.
[/quote]Its not difficult to be fair. You're backing the one legged man in an arse kicking contest.
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I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
[/quote]
That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
[/quote]
As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[/quote]Behave yourself.
How can Yossi possibly be better when Garcia started 16 games for Barcelona 7 years ago when they won Fuck all right?
How can Yossi be better when he hasnt won a trophy with Liverpool when Garcia did right?
How can you compare them when ones at the end of their career.....oh wait theres just 2 years between them!
How can you judge Yossi on just two weeks, even though hes been a huge part of our team since last year and was a huge part of us going to within a week or two of the title?
Wise up Ryan.
I admitted Garcia did some great things, but if he was half as fucking good as you (and a few others) think he is he wouldnt be playing for santander or whoever it is. He wouldnt have been bombed out of Barca by Rikjaard, or Liverpool by Rafa or struggled to get a game for Atleti for the last two years.
His career has gone exactly as you would expect a player like him to go. Brief flashes of brilliance and lots and lots of dissappointing shite.
Dont bother responding, i know what you think, you know what i do and no ones changing anyones mind regardless of how hysterical the post. X
[/quote]
You talk about "Brief flashes of brilliance" like they were tatsy passes, or a fancy back-heel Oncy.
I like Benayoun, and it's great to see that after 2 years of next-to-nothing, he's finally showing some excellent form. But it's one thing turning it on against Burnley, scoring vital goals in an average side against Europe's best in the Second Round, Quarter-Final & Semi-Final stage of the Champions League is quite another.
[/quote]Benayoun hasnt been played in the European cup as much as Garcia was.
That said he did get the winner against Madrid in the Bernabau didnt he?
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Aye, you've showed me up there.
[/quote]Its not difficult to be fair. You're backing the one legged man in an arse kicking contest.
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I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
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That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
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As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[/quote]Behave yourself.
How can Yossi possibly be better when Garcia started 16 games for Barcelona 7 years ago when they won Fuck all right?
How can Yossi be better when he hasnt won a trophy with Liverpool when Garcia did right?
How can you compare them when ones at the end of their career.....oh wait theres just 2 years between them!
How can you judge Yossi on just two weeks, even though hes been a huge part of our team since last year and was a huge part of us going to within a week or two of the title?
Wise up Ryan.
I admitted Garcia did some great things, but if he was half as fucking good as you (and a few others) think he is he wouldnt be playing for santander or whoever it is. He wouldnt have been bombed out of Barca by Rikjaard, or Liverpool by Rafa or struggled to get a game for Atleti for the last two years.
His career has gone exactly as you would expect a player like him to go. Brief flashes of brilliance and lots and lots of dissappointing shite.
Dont bother responding, i know what you think, you know what i do and no ones changing anyones mind regardless of how hysterical the post. X
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You talk about "Brief flashes of brilliance" like they were tatsy passes, or a fancy back-heel Oncy.
I like Benayoun, and it's great to see that after 2 years of next-to-nothing, he's finally showing some excellent form. But it's one thing turning it on against Burnley, scoring vital goals in an average side against Europe's best in the Second Round, Quarter-Final & Semi-Final stage of the Champions League is quite another.
[/quote]Benayoun hasnt been played in the European cup as much as Garcia was.
That said he did get the winner against Madrid in the Bernabau didnt he?
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Aye, you've showed me up there.
[/quote]Its not difficult to be fair. You're backing the one legged man in an arse kicking contest.
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You've called him "shit" and drew comparisons with Titi Camara. What's there to say really?
If I were arguing with someone with an ounce of fucking credibility when it comes to appraising and re-appraising footballers, I'd be worried.
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I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
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That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
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As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[/quote]Behave yourself.
How can Yossi possibly be better when Garcia started 16 games for Barcelona 7 years ago when they won Fuck all right?
How can Yossi be better when he hasnt won a trophy with Liverpool when Garcia did right?
How can you compare them when ones at the end of their career.....oh wait theres just 2 years between them!
How can you judge Yossi on just two weeks, even though hes been a huge part of our team since last year and was a huge part of us going to within a week or two of the title?
Wise up Ryan.
I admitted Garcia did some great things, but if he was half as fucking good as you (and a few others) think he is he wouldnt be playing for santander or whoever it is. He wouldnt have been bombed out of Barca by Rikjaard, or Liverpool by Rafa or struggled to get a game for Atleti for the last two years.
His career has gone exactly as you would expect a player like him to go. Brief flashes of brilliance and lots and lots of dissappointing shite.
Dont bother responding, i know what you think, you know what i do and no ones changing anyones mind regardless of how hysterical the post. X
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You talk about "Brief flashes of brilliance" like they were tatsy passes, or a fancy back-heel Oncy.
I like Benayoun, and it's great to see that after 2 years of next-to-nothing, he's finally showing some excellent form. But it's one thing turning it on against Burnley, scoring vital goals in an average side against Europe's best in the Second Round, Quarter-Final & Semi-Final stage of the Champions League is quite another.
[/quote]Benayoun hasnt been played in the European cup as much as Garcia was.
That said he did get the winner against Madrid in the Bernabau didnt he?
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Aye, you've showed me up there.
[/quote]Its not difficult to be fair. You're backing the one legged man in an arse kicking contest.
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You've called him "shit" and drew comparisons with Titi Camara. What's there to say really?
If I were arguing with someone with an ounce of fucking credibility when it comes to appraising and re-appraising footballers, I'd be worried.
I don't think there's much of a comparison to be made really, I think most valid points have been made anyway.
Yossi has shown consistency across the calendar year, but lets be fair, there was a lengthy spell when he was utter gash and made little difference from the bench, it's only grabbing a couple of important moments towards the end of last season that's elevated him and seen him given the chance to seize the opportunity, and let's face it, he has. But he's in his peak years, as Garcia was when he was here and at his best.
It's unfair to compare an aging, injury prone Garcia who couldn't get in the Atletico side, because it was exactly those issues that prevented him doing well again in Spain.
I remember being at the Stoke game last year and there were groans all round when Yossi appeared from the bench, so it's not all been a bed of roses, people have short memories.
Garcia was a maverick, and a fucking marvelous one at that. Lazy? He was a slight lad who got kicked everywhere and took it for the cause. He scored against Chelsea (in two BIG cup games too), Everton, Arsenal, Juventus, Leverkusen and Deportivo among others and was pretty much the saviour of the Champions League winning season with his goals, if he was lazy (which he wasn't) I couldn't have give a fuck, because his ability to conjure moments as remarkable as his turn and hit against Spurs, or his cracking volley against Juve were priceless and the sort of thing well beyond Benayoun (with all due respect).
Both players at their peak are capable of around 12 goals a season, one is a bit more consistent in terms of being more reliable to do what you ask with no fuss, the other was capable of turning a game on it's head with a moment of sheer inspiration. A priceless asset if you ask me.
Yossi has shown consistency across the calendar year, but lets be fair, there was a lengthy spell when he was utter gash and made little difference from the bench, it's only grabbing a couple of important moments towards the end of last season that's elevated him and seen him given the chance to seize the opportunity, and let's face it, he has. But he's in his peak years, as Garcia was when he was here and at his best.
It's unfair to compare an aging, injury prone Garcia who couldn't get in the Atletico side, because it was exactly those issues that prevented him doing well again in Spain.
I remember being at the Stoke game last year and there were groans all round when Yossi appeared from the bench, so it's not all been a bed of roses, people have short memories.
Garcia was a maverick, and a fucking marvelous one at that. Lazy? He was a slight lad who got kicked everywhere and took it for the cause. He scored against Chelsea (in two BIG cup games too), Everton, Arsenal, Juventus, Leverkusen and Deportivo among others and was pretty much the saviour of the Champions League winning season with his goals, if he was lazy (which he wasn't) I couldn't have give a fuck, because his ability to conjure moments as remarkable as his turn and hit against Spurs, or his cracking volley against Juve were priceless and the sort of thing well beyond Benayoun (with all due respect).
Both players at their peak are capable of around 12 goals a season, one is a bit more consistent in terms of being more reliable to do what you ask with no fuss, the other was capable of turning a game on it's head with a moment of sheer inspiration. A priceless asset if you ask me.
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I don't think there's much of a comparison to be made really, I think most valid points have been made anyway.
Yossi has shown consistency across the calendar year, but lets be fair, there was a lengthy spell when he was utter gash and made little difference from the bench, it's only grabbing a couple of important moments towards the end of last season that's elevated him and seen him given the chance to seize the opportunity, and let's face it, he has. But he's in his peak years, as Garcia was when he was here and at his best.
It's unfair to compare an aging, injury prone Garcia who couldn't get in the Atletico side, because it was exactly those issues that prevented him doing well again in Spain.
I remember being at the Stoke game last year and there were groans all round when Yossi appeared from the bench, so it's not all been a bed of roses, people have short memories.
Garcia was a maverick, and a fucking marvelous one at that. Lazy? He was a slight lad who got kicked everywhere and took it for the cause. He scored against Chelsea (in two BIG cup games too), Everton, Arsenal, Juventus, Leverkusen and Deportivo among others and was pretty much the saviour of the Champions League winning season with his goals, if he was lazy (which he wasn't) I couldn't have give a fuck, because his ability to conjure moments as remarkable as his turn and hit against Spurs, or his cracking volley against Juve were priceless and the sort of thing well beyond Benayoun (with all due respect).
Both players at their peak are capable of around 12 goals a season, one is a bit more consistent in terms of being more reliable to do what you ask with no fuss, the other was capable of turning a game on it's head with a moment of sheer inspiration. A priceless asset if you ask me.
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Quit with your 'greater than 2 week memory span' Mark, and eat some of this...
I don't think there's much of a comparison to be made really, I think most valid points have been made anyway.
Yossi has shown consistency across the calendar year, but lets be fair, there was a lengthy spell when he was utter gash and made little difference from the bench, it's only grabbing a couple of important moments towards the end of last season that's elevated him and seen him given the chance to seize the opportunity, and let's face it, he has. But he's in his peak years, as Garcia was when he was here and at his best.
It's unfair to compare an aging, injury prone Garcia who couldn't get in the Atletico side, because it was exactly those issues that prevented him doing well again in Spain.
I remember being at the Stoke game last year and there were groans all round when Yossi appeared from the bench, so it's not all been a bed of roses, people have short memories.
Garcia was a maverick, and a fucking marvelous one at that. Lazy? He was a slight lad who got kicked everywhere and took it for the cause. He scored against Chelsea (in two BIG cup games too), Everton, Arsenal, Juventus, Leverkusen and Deportivo among others and was pretty much the saviour of the Champions League winning season with his goals, if he was lazy (which he wasn't) I couldn't have give a fuck, because his ability to conjure moments as remarkable as his turn and hit against Spurs, or his cracking volley against Juve were priceless and the sort of thing well beyond Benayoun (with all due respect).
Both players at their peak are capable of around 12 goals a season, one is a bit more consistent in terms of being more reliable to do what you ask with no fuss, the other was capable of turning a game on it's head with a moment of sheer inspiration. A priceless asset if you ask me.
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Quit with your 'greater than 2 week memory span' Mark, and eat some of this...
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I don't think there's much of a comparison to be made really, I think most valid points have been made anyway.
Yossi has shown consistency across the calendar year, but lets be fair, there was a lengthy spell when he was utter gash and made little difference from the bench, it's only grabbing a couple of important moments towards the end of last season that's elevated him and seen him given the chance to seize the opportunity, and let's face it, he has. But he's in his peak years, as Garcia was when he was here and at his best.
It's unfair to compare an aging, injury prone Garcia who couldn't get in the Atletico side, because it was exactly those issues that prevented him doing well again in Spain.
I remember being at the Stoke game last year and there were groans all round when Yossi appeared from the bench, so it's not all been a bed of roses, people have short memories.
Garcia was a maverick, and a fucking marvelous one at that. Lazy? He was a slight lad who got kicked everywhere and took it for the cause. He scored against Chelsea (in two BIG cup games too), Everton, Arsenal, Juventus, Leverkusen and Deportivo among others and was pretty much the saviour of the Champions League winning season with his goals, if he was lazy (which he wasn't) I couldn't have give a fuck, because his ability to conjure moments as remarkable as his turn and hit against Spurs, or his cracking volley against Juve were priceless and the sort of thing well beyond Benayoun (with all due respect).
Both players at their peak are capable of around 12 goals a season, one is a bit more consistent in terms of being more reliable to do what you ask with no fuss, the other was capable of turning a game on it's head with a moment of sheer inspiration. A priceless asset if you ask me.
[/quote]Great post Mark. I dont agree with all of it by any stretch, but youre probably right with some of it.
Certainly its preferable to 'you have a two week memory' and 'if you had any credibility', but then i guess you get what you expect from posters generally
I don't think there's much of a comparison to be made really, I think most valid points have been made anyway.
Yossi has shown consistency across the calendar year, but lets be fair, there was a lengthy spell when he was utter gash and made little difference from the bench, it's only grabbing a couple of important moments towards the end of last season that's elevated him and seen him given the chance to seize the opportunity, and let's face it, he has. But he's in his peak years, as Garcia was when he was here and at his best.
It's unfair to compare an aging, injury prone Garcia who couldn't get in the Atletico side, because it was exactly those issues that prevented him doing well again in Spain.
I remember being at the Stoke game last year and there were groans all round when Yossi appeared from the bench, so it's not all been a bed of roses, people have short memories.
Garcia was a maverick, and a fucking marvelous one at that. Lazy? He was a slight lad who got kicked everywhere and took it for the cause. He scored against Chelsea (in two BIG cup games too), Everton, Arsenal, Juventus, Leverkusen and Deportivo among others and was pretty much the saviour of the Champions League winning season with his goals, if he was lazy (which he wasn't) I couldn't have give a fuck, because his ability to conjure moments as remarkable as his turn and hit against Spurs, or his cracking volley against Juve were priceless and the sort of thing well beyond Benayoun (with all due respect).
Both players at their peak are capable of around 12 goals a season, one is a bit more consistent in terms of being more reliable to do what you ask with no fuss, the other was capable of turning a game on it's head with a moment of sheer inspiration. A priceless asset if you ask me.
[/quote]Great post Mark. I dont agree with all of it by any stretch, but youre probably right with some of it.
Certainly its preferable to 'you have a two week memory' and 'if you had any credibility', but then i guess you get what you expect from posters generally
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I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
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That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
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As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[/quote]Behave yourself.
How can Yossi possibly be better when Garcia started 16 games for Barcelona 7 years ago when they won Fuck all right?
How can Yossi be better when he hasnt won a trophy with Liverpool when Garcia did right?
How can you compare them when ones at the end of their career.....oh wait theres just 2 years between them!
How can you judge Yossi on just two weeks, even though hes been a huge part of our team since last year and was a huge part of us going to within a week or two of the title?
Wise up Ryan.
I admitted Garcia did some great things, but if he was half as fucking good as you (and a few others) think he is he wouldnt be playing for santander or whoever it is. He wouldnt have been bombed out of Barca by Rikjaard, or Liverpool by Rafa or struggled to get a game for Atleti for the last two years.
His career has gone exactly as you would expect a player like him to go. Brief flashes of brilliance and lots and lots of dissappointing shite.
Dont bother responding, i know what you think, you know what i do and no ones changing anyones mind regardless of how hysterical the post. X
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You talk about "Brief flashes of brilliance" like they were tatsy passes, or a fancy back-heel Oncy.
I like Benayoun, and it's great to see that after 2 years of next-to-nothing, he's finally showing some excellent form. But it's one thing turning it on against Burnley, scoring vital goals in an average side against Europe's best in the Second Round, Quarter-Final & Semi-Final stage of the Champions League is quite another.
[/quote]Benayoun hasnt been played in the European cup as much as Garcia was.
That said he did get the winner against Madrid in the Bernabau didnt he?
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Aye, you've showed me up there.
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He also played the pass that unlocked Chelsea in Europe for Torres to score.
When played in Europe Yossi generally plays well.
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I cant believe anyone would even have to think about it.
Its like comparing Micheal Owen and Titi fucking Camara.
Garcia had the gift to be able to do some astonishing things, real top drawer stuff. Unfortunately he opened the drawer once every 5 games and spent the rest of the time missplacing 5 yard passes and not tracking back.
Yossi is 50 times the football player Garcia ever was. Which is why Yossi is still playing at the top level and captain of his country and Garcia is heammoraging mid table mediocre spanish teams and watching international games on telly.
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That's quite possibly the most pathetically one-sided post ever. You should write for The S** Oncy.
One's older, and has been injured for 3 years, and is approaching the twilight of his career.
Fortunately for Garcia, he can look back on a career that spanned Barcelona, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, and Spain. We would not have won a Champions League without him.
What's Benayoun got, a hat-trick against Havant & Waterlooville, and some stellar performances for West Ham? So far, Benayoun has won us fuck all.
It's not like you to be overwhelmingly reactive based on the last two weeks of football though. Oh wait, yes it is.
[/quote]Ryan in jumping up and down and getting his knickers in a twist when someone dares question Garcias worth shocka.
By the way we wouldnt have won the champions league without Mellor, doesnt mean i want him more than Torres, who's won fuck all for us yet.
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As long as we're agreed that you're initial post was possibly the most pathetically one-sided thing ever then.
[/quote]Behave yourself.
How can Yossi possibly be better when Garcia started 16 games for Barcelona 7 years ago when they won Fuck all right?
How can Yossi be better when he hasnt won a trophy with Liverpool when Garcia did right?
How can you compare them when ones at the end of their career.....oh wait theres just 2 years between them!
How can you judge Yossi on just two weeks, even though hes been a huge part of our team since last year and was a huge part of us going to within a week or two of the title?
Wise up Ryan.
I admitted Garcia did some great things, but if he was half as fucking good as you (and a few others) think he is he wouldnt be playing for santander or whoever it is. He wouldnt have been bombed out of Barca by Rikjaard, or Liverpool by Rafa or struggled to get a game for Atleti for the last two years.
His career has gone exactly as you would expect a player like him to go. Brief flashes of brilliance and lots and lots of dissappointing shite.
Dont bother responding, i know what you think, you know what i do and no ones changing anyones mind regardless of how hysterical the post. X
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You talk about "Brief flashes of brilliance" like they were tatsy passes, or a fancy back-heel Oncy.
I like Benayoun, and it's great to see that after 2 years of next-to-nothing, he's finally showing some excellent form. But it's one thing turning it on against Burnley, scoring vital goals in an average side against Europe's best in the Second Round, Quarter-Final & Semi-Final stage of the Champions League is quite another.
[/quote]Benayoun hasnt been played in the European cup as much as Garcia was.
That said he did get the winner against Madrid in the Bernabau didnt he?
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Aye, you've showed me up there.
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He also played the pass that unlocked Chelsea in Europe for Torres to score.
When played in Europe Yossi generally plays well.
I don't want to sound harsh on Yossi, I think he's had a great year and has proven a good buy, especially for the price, but it's taken time and indulgence and it hasn't always been great.
I just think some of the things Garcia did were priceless and it's been sorely missed at times when trying to break the deadlock against some teams. Thankfully though we look like we've got that issue well out of our system of late.
I just think some of the things Garcia did were priceless and it's been sorely missed at times when trying to break the deadlock against some teams. Thankfully though we look like we've got that issue well out of our system of late.
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Heh, well this thread has gotten a lot more interesting.
Who would you rather have for this side here and now... Yossi at his peak or Garcia at his peak?
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Hat trick Yossi everytime.
And Titi did score one wonder goal against Arsenal no?
Heh, well this thread has gotten a lot more interesting.
Who would you rather have for this side here and now... Yossi at his peak or Garcia at his peak?
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Hat trick Yossi everytime.
And Titi did score one wonder goal against Arsenal no?
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I don't want to sound harsh on Yossi, I think he's had a great year and has proven a good buy, especially for the price, but it's taken time and indulgence and it hasn't always been great.
I just think some of the things Garcia did were priceless and it's been sorely missed at times when trying to break the deadlock against some teams. Thankfully though we look like we've got that issue well out of our system of late.
[/quote]Yossi given the time and indulgence that Garcia was afforded for two full seasons (over the past 6 months) is already proving his worth to the side on a consistent basis.
You're right hes never going to crack in a 30yard volley out of nowhere, but im happy to trade that for the control, passing, effort and consistency that Yossi brings.
Yossi will create and score more than Garcia ever could given the run of games Garcia was. Im sure of it.
I don't want to sound harsh on Yossi, I think he's had a great year and has proven a good buy, especially for the price, but it's taken time and indulgence and it hasn't always been great.
I just think some of the things Garcia did were priceless and it's been sorely missed at times when trying to break the deadlock against some teams. Thankfully though we look like we've got that issue well out of our system of late.
[/quote]Yossi given the time and indulgence that Garcia was afforded for two full seasons (over the past 6 months) is already proving his worth to the side on a consistent basis.
You're right hes never going to crack in a 30yard volley out of nowhere, but im happy to trade that for the control, passing, effort and consistency that Yossi brings.
Yossi will create and score more than Garcia ever could given the run of games Garcia was. Im sure of it.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=36087.msg952535#msg952535 date=1254121095]
Heh, well this thread has gotten a lot more interesting.
Who would you rather have for this side here and now... Yossi at his peak or Garcia at his peak?
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Hat trick Yossi everytime.
And Titi did score one wonder goal against Arsenal no?
[/quote]He scored a volley in the cup aswell. Cant remember against who.
I would pick Yossi too of course. But then i am ridiculously biased.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=36087.msg952535#msg952535 date=1254121095]
Heh, well this thread has gotten a lot more interesting.
Who would you rather have for this side here and now... Yossi at his peak or Garcia at his peak?
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Hat trick Yossi everytime.
And Titi did score one wonder goal against Arsenal no?
[/quote]He scored a volley in the cup aswell. Cant remember against who.
I would pick Yossi too of course. But then i am ridiculously biased.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36087.msg952553#msg952553 date=1254122580]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=36087.msg952547#msg952547 date=1254122267]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=36087.msg952535#msg952535 date=1254121095]
Heh, well this thread has gotten a lot more interesting.
Who would you rather have for this side here and now... Yossi at his peak or Garcia at his peak?
[/quote]
Hat trick Yossi everytime.
And Titi did score one wonder goal against Arsenal no?
[/quote]He scored a volley in the cup aswell. Cant remember against who.
I would pick Yossi too of course. But then i am ridiculously biased.
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Well I will admit I was always a fan of Yossi at West ham (he was amazing against us in the Gerrard final too).
He works very hard, is totally professional, rarely complains, looks for the pass when its on and can dribble a ball as good as anyone in a tight spot. Add his goals and you've got the perfect squad player to fill in on the right left or in behind Torres.
I'd be happy to see him play every week. Garcia on the other hand was only worthy of a place "if" he scored a goal and it simply didn't happen enough and he offered little else. In fact not only did he offer little else he often puts in difficult spots by losing the ball trying some fancy flick or trick on the edge of our box. He gave the ball away more than any other player I can ever remember.
He gave us some exhilarating moments but was ultimately not consistent enough for Rafa or LFC.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=36087.msg952547#msg952547 date=1254122267]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=36087.msg952535#msg952535 date=1254121095]
Heh, well this thread has gotten a lot more interesting.
Who would you rather have for this side here and now... Yossi at his peak or Garcia at his peak?
[/quote]
Hat trick Yossi everytime.
And Titi did score one wonder goal against Arsenal no?
[/quote]He scored a volley in the cup aswell. Cant remember against who.
I would pick Yossi too of course. But then i am ridiculously biased.
[/quote]
Well I will admit I was always a fan of Yossi at West ham (he was amazing against us in the Gerrard final too).
He works very hard, is totally professional, rarely complains, looks for the pass when its on and can dribble a ball as good as anyone in a tight spot. Add his goals and you've got the perfect squad player to fill in on the right left or in behind Torres.
I'd be happy to see him play every week. Garcia on the other hand was only worthy of a place "if" he scored a goal and it simply didn't happen enough and he offered little else. In fact not only did he offer little else he often puts in difficult spots by losing the ball trying some fancy flick or trick on the edge of our box. He gave the ball away more than any other player I can ever remember.
He gave us some exhilarating moments but was ultimately not consistent enough for Rafa or LFC.
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I came on here to say the same as Ryan essentially.
I quite like both players, and have a definite soft spot for Garcia, but it's probably because he came up with some magic moments at absolutely crucial times, and was a joy to watch. Yossi is slightly better overall, but we are making the comparison at a time when Yossi's form has been spot on, which it certainly hasn't always been, and Yossi hasn't been a magician on the big stage anywhere near as much, and I'm not just talking Europe.
And Oncy, saying Camara:Owen::Garcia:Yossi is demented, and completely disrespectful to a player who was a completely necessary and successful creative spark in an otherwise fairly predictable attack. This idea that Garcia was mostly shit and occasionally popped up with a goal is a complete fabrication. He did tons of other work he doesn't get credit for, he held on to the ball quite well, was an incredibly useful outlet a lot of times. He had one public bad run of form that turned some of the stupid punditry against him, and hence some of the viewers. Yossi had the same, it's just that there were other options when he did, so he got rightly dropped for large periods of time.
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garcia held onto the ball? what?
garcia has got to be one of the most wasteful players ever in red, I mean losing the ball and losing it in dangerous position to boot. truth is though you could forgive him because he was always (and I mean always) trying something. it's easy to look like you are the possession king if your passes are always sideways but if your passes are trying to pick out a running far less are going to come off but you only need to break the offside trap once and then keep a clean sheet.
one thing about garcia he was definately a big game player, it seemed the bigger the occassion the more spectacular the goal.
yossi is definately the better player though, I would perfer a flat track bully who dispatched lower teams with alarming ease than a big game player who turns up 1 game in 5, maybe a little harsh as garcia was a big reason for our fanstastic home record which alarmingly dropped off when he left.
yossi was better but the gap wasn't a big as some are making out.
I came on here to say the same as Ryan essentially.
I quite like both players, and have a definite soft spot for Garcia, but it's probably because he came up with some magic moments at absolutely crucial times, and was a joy to watch. Yossi is slightly better overall, but we are making the comparison at a time when Yossi's form has been spot on, which it certainly hasn't always been, and Yossi hasn't been a magician on the big stage anywhere near as much, and I'm not just talking Europe.
And Oncy, saying Camara:Owen::Garcia:Yossi is demented, and completely disrespectful to a player who was a completely necessary and successful creative spark in an otherwise fairly predictable attack. This idea that Garcia was mostly shit and occasionally popped up with a goal is a complete fabrication. He did tons of other work he doesn't get credit for, he held on to the ball quite well, was an incredibly useful outlet a lot of times. He had one public bad run of form that turned some of the stupid punditry against him, and hence some of the viewers. Yossi had the same, it's just that there were other options when he did, so he got rightly dropped for large periods of time.
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garcia held onto the ball? what?
garcia has got to be one of the most wasteful players ever in red, I mean losing the ball and losing it in dangerous position to boot. truth is though you could forgive him because he was always (and I mean always) trying something. it's easy to look like you are the possession king if your passes are always sideways but if your passes are trying to pick out a running far less are going to come off but you only need to break the offside trap once and then keep a clean sheet.
one thing about garcia he was definately a big game player, it seemed the bigger the occassion the more spectacular the goal.
yossi is definately the better player though, I would perfer a flat track bully who dispatched lower teams with alarming ease than a big game player who turns up 1 game in 5, maybe a little harsh as garcia was a big reason for our fanstastic home record which alarmingly dropped off when he left.
yossi was better but the gap wasn't a big as some are making out.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=36087.msg952545#msg952545 date=1254122115]
I don't want to sound harsh on Yossi, I think he's had a great year and has proven a good buy, especially for the price, but it's taken time and indulgence and it hasn't always been great.
I just think some of the things Garcia did were priceless and it's been sorely missed at times when trying to break the deadlock against some teams. Thankfully though we look like we've got that issue well out of our system of late.
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You are being harsh on Yossi. He was inconsistent in his first year sure, but let's not pretend he was awful or has any need to be thankful for some kind of incredible patience on our part. He came in as a squad player, grabbed 10 goals and a few assists and put in some good performances. He didn't set the world on fire, no, but he had a decent first season at a new club and delivered what a 5M squaddie was expected to deliver.
I remember he had an electric pre-season last year, so I was a little bit surprised by how poor he was for the first part of the season. I was even more surprised however to see how much shit he was getting off the fans. But then, he turned it all around and since then he's been very good and has genuinely pushed for a first team place.
I don't want to sound harsh on Yossi, I think he's had a great year and has proven a good buy, especially for the price, but it's taken time and indulgence and it hasn't always been great.
I just think some of the things Garcia did were priceless and it's been sorely missed at times when trying to break the deadlock against some teams. Thankfully though we look like we've got that issue well out of our system of late.
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You are being harsh on Yossi. He was inconsistent in his first year sure, but let's not pretend he was awful or has any need to be thankful for some kind of incredible patience on our part. He came in as a squad player, grabbed 10 goals and a few assists and put in some good performances. He didn't set the world on fire, no, but he had a decent first season at a new club and delivered what a 5M squaddie was expected to deliver.
I remember he had an electric pre-season last year, so I was a little bit surprised by how poor he was for the first part of the season. I was even more surprised however to see how much shit he was getting off the fans. But then, he turned it all around and since then he's been very good and has genuinely pushed for a first team place.
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