Yes Please.. (Hiddink)

[LeTallecWiz]

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[quote author=keniget link=topic=38460.msg1034446#msg1034446 date=1263542094]
It's a sad way to end up Glock, a pale imitation of yourself.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Glock has copied this too ... So boring now.
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Is laughing at Glock here that much different to us laughing at the poor little victim rebel yesterday?[/quote]

Yah, Rebel at least argues his own points. Glock posts other people's stuff and calls all of us children, peons and tampon sniffers ... Surely there is a difference.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Hiddink is a fucking joke.
Terrible record in club football and is too old.
Why the fuck does his name keep getting mentioned here.
We need a better, younger man to come in should Rafa be sacked.

 

[Richey]

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[quote author=Richey link=topic=38460.msg1034558#msg1034558 date=1263552517]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38460.msg1034449#msg1034449 date=1263542344]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38460.msg1034446#msg1034446 date=1263542094]
It's a sad way to end up Glock, a pale imitation of yourself.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Glock has copied this too ... So boring now.
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Is laughing at Glock here that much different to us laughing at the poor little victim rebel yesterday?[/quote]

Yah, Rebel at least argues his own points. Glock posts other people's stuff and calls all of us children, peons and tampon sniffers ... Surely there is a difference.
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Maybe. Both equally insane and tiresome in my opinion though. And both fully deserving of constant and sustained ridicule.

 

[El Pistolero]

Right....

For all those people that want Hiddink explain to me why? I have asked repeatedly on these forums, when his name has been mentioned what he has done to even be mentioned with our club, but no one gives me answer.

The guy is the biggest fraud in world football today, coincidently he was found guilty of tax evasion.

When you look at Hiddink's record as a manager you will see that he isn't as good as made out. Hiddink has never won a major leauge championship, yes he's won the dutch leauge but he has never won one of the top 4 leauges. Hiddink has only won one european trophy in his entire carreer this was the european cup a long time ago in 1988. When hiddink has been given the opportunity to manage in a big leauge he was pretty poor, he went to spain to manage Real Madrid and was sacked within 6 months another spainsh club offered him a job and he was sacked again. He got sacked twice in the same season for fucks sack. Then we have the Chelsea job "He was brilliant there". What he moved them up one place in the leauge and won the FA Cup, didn't redknapp win it the season before. I'm sorry but the FA cup is not the trophy it used to be, and im not saying because of the other night either.

Lets now look at Hiddinks trophy winnning record at international level, actually he doesn't have one. He got South Korea to the semi final of the world cup. Do people realise that the korean football leauge was such down for the entire season prior to the world cup, so that Hiddink could prepare his players. So while all the other teams had 6 weeks to prepare hiddink had nearly a year and a half with his squad. Then Russia he well and truely fucked up there, he probably had one of the most talented russian teams in a generation and he still couldnt get them to a world cup.

A manager is unveiled to the press after Benitezs sacking. His record is this;

Age 63, manager for over 20 years
5 x Dutch Championships
4 x Dutch Cups
1 x European cup
1 x FA Cup

Would you be happy with this manager? So for the people who champion Hiddink explain why? I believe alot people have formed there opinion on how the press portray this fraud.

I wouldn't want him anywhere near the club.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Ha ha, I knew you'd be along Redshrek.

 

[Dreambeliever]

[quote author=Glock link=topic=38460.msg1034441#msg1034441 date=1263541374]
Funny after two months i want Rafa out and you kids now barking the same thing...i'd prefer Mourinho ahead of Hiddink. Having said that Babbel is my choice.
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I wanted it the day we signed Keane buddy so if you want to play that game...........

 

[Sunny]

[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=38460.msg1034579#msg1034579 date=1263554398]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=38460.msg1034441#msg1034441 date=1263541374]
Funny after two months i want Rafa out and you kids now barking the same thing...i'd prefer Mourinho ahead of Hiddink. Having said that Babbel is my choice.
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I wanted it the day we signed Keane buddy so if you want to play that game...........
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That plus Glock is a confirmed loony so no-one ever really pays attention to what he says

 

[El Pistolero]

[quote author=Stu link=topic=38460.msg1034576#msg1034576 date=1263554195]
Ha ha, I knew you'd be along Redshrek.
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Its just annoys me that this guy is so well regarded in the press, but when you look at his record its pretty mediocre.

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=Stu link=topic=38460.msg1034565#msg1034565 date=1263553093]
Hiddink is a fucking joke.
Terrible record in club football and is too old.
Why the fuck does his name keep getting mentioned here.
We need a better, younger man to come in should Rafa be sacked.
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We can't afford to be that dismissive. Hiddink walked into a top English team in crisis last year, restored confidence, and steered them towards a more than respectable finish. He may be slightly overrated as a manager, but his time at Chelsea was good enough for him to be a candidate.

I'm not even his biggest fan, but I can't believe in a thread where McLeish is being mentioned, you're jumping down the throat of someone with a much higher pedigree.

 

[Sunny]

Alex McLeish ?? I'm quiffing but whoever is suggesting him is a mentalist.

 

[Dreambeliever]

[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38460.msg1034582#msg1034582 date=1263554511]
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[quote author=Glock link=topic=38460.msg1034441#msg1034441 date=1263541374]
Funny after two months i want Rafa out and you kids now barking the same thing...i'd prefer Mourinho ahead of Hiddink. Having said that Babbel is my choice.
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I wanted it the day we signed Keane buddy so if you want to play that game...........
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That plus Glock is a confirmed loony so no-one ever really pays attention to what he says
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I don't mind him. At least its something to talk about. How's the back?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

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[quote author=Richey link=topic=38460.msg1034558#msg1034558 date=1263552517]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38460.msg1034449#msg1034449 date=1263542344]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38460.msg1034446#msg1034446 date=1263542094]
It's a sad way to end up Glock, a pale imitation of yourself.
[/quote]

I wouldn't be surprised if Glock has copied this too ... So boring now.
[/quote]

Is laughing at Glock here that much different to us laughing at the poor little victim rebel yesterday?[/quote]

Yah, Rebel at least argues his own points. Glock posts other people's stuff and calls all of us children, peons and tampon sniffers ... Surely there is a difference.
[/quote]

Maybe. Both equally insane and tiresome in my opinion though. And both fully deserving of constant and sustained ridicule.
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Rebel's interesting - at least he forces you to admit that there is another reailty out there.

 

[Sunny]

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[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=38460.msg1034579#msg1034579 date=1263554398]
[quote author=Glock link=topic=38460.msg1034441#msg1034441 date=1263541374]
Funny after two months i want Rafa out and you kids now barking the same thing...i'd prefer Mourinho ahead of Hiddink. Having said that Babbel is my choice.
[/quote]

I wanted it the day we signed Keane buddy so if you want to play that game...........
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That plus Glock is a confirmed loony so no-one ever really pays attention to what he says
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I don't mind him. At least its something to talk about. How's the back?
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Alright mate thanks

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Ok, it is rather dismissive of me, I know.
But Hiddink is the wrong manager for Liverpool on so many different levels.

His age is a big, big problem for me. He is too old. At 63 years of age he will not be a good long-term appointment. He doesn't look like he looks after himself and it could be possible his ticker isn't exactly A1. Look at Trappatoni, he is a very fit 70+ year old man. One thing I really admire and respect Rafa for his grabbing hold of the youth academy system at Liverpool and completely rejuvinating it. He had to sack some pretty well respected people to do it, but he put the club first before all others. Hiddink isn't the one to bring that on and improve on it.

With regard to his time at Chelsea, I wouldn't put too much stock in the fact he managed to win the FA cup with that team of Superstars. They had to beat these boys : Southend United by aid of a replay, Ipswich Town, Watford, Coventry City and a young Arsenal side. Chumps basically.

Hiddink's pedigree has been made at International level Squiggs, that's my view.
He's not the man for the job. Maybe on a short term basis, but not for the long haul.

 

[manwithnoname]

[quote author=Stu link=topic=38460.msg1034635#msg1034635 date=1263556200]

His age is a big, big problem for me. He is too old. At 63 years of age he will not be a good long-term appointment. He doesn't look like he

He's not the man for the job. Maybe on a short term basis, but not for the long haul.
[/quote]

Agreed.

We need a younger manager with drive, ambition and the vision to build a long-term project and force of personality to deliver it.

6 years ago, that manager was Benitez.

That manager is now Mourinho. Although I don't see why he would come with the fucking state the place is in.

 

[Dreambeliever]

[quote author=Stu link=topic=38460.msg1034635#msg1034635 date=1263556200]
Ok, it is rather dismissive of me, I know.
But Hiddink is the wrong manager for Liverpool on so many different levels.

His age is a big, big problem for me. He is too old. At 63 years of age he will not be a good long-term appointment. He doesn't look like he looks after himself and it could be possible his ticker isn't exactly A1. Look at Trappatoni, he is a very fit 70+ year old man. One thing I really admire and respect Rafa for his grabbing hold of the youth academy system at Liverpool and completely rejuvinating it. He had to sack some pretty well respected people to do it, but he put the club first before all others. Hiddink isn't the one to bring that on and improve on it.

With regard to his time at Chelsea, I wouldn't put too much stock in the fact he managed to win the FA cup with that team of Superstars. They had to beat these boys : Southend United by aid of a replay, Ipswich Town, Watford, Coventry City and a young Arsenal side. Chumps basically.

Hiddink's pedigree has been made at International level Squiggs, that's my view.
He's not the man for the job. Maybe on a short term basis, but not for the long haul.
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Anyone with any sort of record would be better than Rafa at the moment and thats the bottom line.

 

[El Pistolero]

[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=38460.msg1034642#msg1034642 date=1263556424]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=38460.msg1034635#msg1034635 date=1263556200]
Ok, it is rather dismissive of me, I know.
But Hiddink is the wrong manager for Liverpool on so many different levels.

His age is a big, big problem for me. He is too old. At 63 years of age he will not be a good long-term appointment. He doesn't look like he looks after himself and it could be possible his ticker isn't exactly A1. Look at Trappatoni, he is a very fit 70+ year old man. One thing I really admire and respect Rafa for his grabbing hold of the youth academy system at Liverpool and completely rejuvinating it. He had to sack some pretty well respected people to do it, but he put the club first before all others. Hiddink isn't the one to bring that on and improve on it.

With regard to his time at Chelsea, I wouldn't put too much stock in the fact he managed to win the FA cup with that team of Superstars. They had to beat these boys : Southend United by aid of a replay, Ipswich Town, Watford, Coventry City and a young Arsenal side. Chumps basically.

Hiddink's pedigree has been made at International level Squiggs, that's my view.
He's not the man for the job. Maybe on a short term basis, but not for the long haul.
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Anyone with any sort of record would be better than Rafa at the moment and thats the bottom line.
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And unfortunately Hiddink does not have a better record than Benitez. Stu I really can't see the international pedigree. He's really not done much at international level either.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Korea got to the semi's in 2002 and Russia had a good campaign in 2006.
I suppose that is what I am basing it on.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38460.msg1034639#msg1034639 date=1263556347]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=38460.msg1034635#msg1034635 date=1263556200]

His age is a big, big problem for me. He is too old. At 63 years of age he will not be a good long-term appointment. He doesn't look like he

He's not the man for the job. Maybe on a short term basis, but not for the long haul.
[/quote]

Agreed.

We need a younger manager with drive, ambition and the vision to build a long-term project and force of personality to deliver it.

6 years ago, that manager was Benitez.

That manager is now Mourinho. Although I don't see why he would come with the fucking state the place is in.
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He can't lose though can he, if he turns it around he's a hero, if he can't he didn't realise the depth of the issues etc

regards

 

[Roopy]

Aussie Guus 8)

 

[manwithnoname]

He can't lose though can he, if he turns it around he's a hero, if he can't he didn't realise the depth of the issues etc

regards

Hiddink may well think like that. Mourinho certainly would not.

I rate Jose very highly, but he's no fool, and despite his much-proclaimed love of the club, and monstrous vanity and ego, there is no way on Earth he would take on a challenge and risk to his reputation like Liverpool; he likes winning too much.

Look at his last two managerial choices: Chelsea and Inter. If there was any such thing as a sure bet, it was those two clubs.

To get him, we'd have to guarantee some hefty spending.

 

[El Pistolero]

[quote author=Stu link=topic=38460.msg1034649#msg1034649 date=1263556933]
Korea got to the semi's in 2002 and Russia had a good campaign in 2006.
I suppose that is what I am basing it on.
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That world cup was a pretty poor one in all honesty, a very poor german side made it to the final. And the one huge advantadge Korea had was they there season before shut down so they could focus solely on the world cup. So while the other teams had 6 weeks Korea had nearly a year half of training together.

The thing with our situtation at the moment is we have to get the next appointment spot on. We really can't afford another failure. We have to get in a man who has shown he can win the premier leauge and in Europe. Fergie and wenger would never come so that only leaves one man Mourinho.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38460.msg1034669#msg1034669 date=1263558251]

He can't lose though can he, if he turns it around he's a hero, if he can't he didn't realise the depth of the issues etc

regards

Hiddink may well think like that. Mourinho certainly would not.

I rate Jose very highly, but he's no fool, and despite his much-proclaimed love of the club, and monstrous vanity and ego, there is no way on Earth he would take on a challenge and risk to his reputation like Liverpool; he likes winning too much.

Look at his last two managerial choices: Chelsea and Inter. If there was any such thing as a sure bet, it was those two clubs.

To get him, we'd have to guarantee some hefty spending.
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Normally you'd only rate fools? What?

Anyways, you are probably right so let's leave him be shall we.

If we ever were to hire Mourinho I'll shed a tear. And it's not going to be a happy one.

I dislike him good.

 

[Richey]

And how would you feel if he came to Liverpool and we won the title khl? Would you still not want him here because you don't like him?

Seems a rather silly reason to me

What if it was discovered that he had a Danish grandmother?

 

[Le Chacal]

He's not the long term solution but he did a very good job over 6 months at Chelsea.
He could hardly do worse than Benitez...I'd be very happy if he came.

Having said that I dont think he would agree to come for just 6 months and then let his position to someone else (mourinho)
His situation isnot the same as last year, he had a contract with Russia and that was clear he would be at Chelsea for 6 months.
He will want a long term contract for sure

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=38460.msg1034686#msg1034686 date=1263558776]
And how would you feel if he came to Liverpool and we won the title khl? Would you still not want him here because you don't like him?

Seems a rather silly reason to me

What if it was discovered that he had a Danish grandmother?
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It be absolutely delighted with the title obviosuly. But as it's certainly no guarantee I'd stay well clear.

His persona is much more suited to the likes of Chelski and Inter and United even, but not Liverpool. At least not the way I see it.

 

[Sunny]

[quote author=the_khl link=topic=38460.msg1034700#msg1034700 date=1263559869]


His persona is much more suited to the likes of Chelski and Inter and United even, but not Liverpool. At least not the way I see it.
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I don't understand that KHL. What about his persona disqualifies him from being a manager at Liverpool ?

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38460.msg1034702#msg1034702 date=1263559941]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=38460.msg1034700#msg1034700 date=1263559869]


His persona is much more suited to the likes of Chelski and Inter and United even, but not Liverpool. At least not the way I see it.
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I don't understand that KHL. What about his persona disqualifies him from being a manager at Liverpool ?
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I dislike him hence I don't think he's suited for the manager job in Liverpool. It's quite simple really.

I wouldn't want Sir Alex Ferguson either.

 

[Sunny]

Ah right. So it's not his persona it's your personal dislike for him.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38460.msg1034710#msg1034710 date=1263560188]
Ah right. So it's not his persona it's your personal dislike for him.
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His persona is the only thing I know of him. He's probably a good dad and all. Bravo.

I just don't want him to be manager at Liverpool.

And you can argue all you want mate, I just really don't want him anywhere near the club I love. Nor Ferguson.

You do and that's alright with me.

*Oh, I really don't think he's the Manager Messiah anyways. He's very Rafa-like in his approach and I'd love for us to try something different if/when Rafa leaves.