Xherdan Shaqiri
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Penny pinching yanks doesnt mean we're skint...And we should go for Shaqiri, hes better than Salah
All the experts that are guessing at our finances based on the back of fuck all.
Saying we're skint is simplistic , but the guesses at finances are not that difficult.
You take a guess at the equation - FFP looks at a three year cycle, you can lose 45m provided the owners cover that with equity.
In the first year of the three year period we lost 40m , in the second we were projected to lose upwards of 25m but the figures haven't been clarified. We're in the third year now, so even if we can get some exemptions any more spending has to put us in danger of breaching the rules.
We're victims of our own success really - the plan when Rodgers was appointed was CL qualification next season, we clearly planned financially for that - the big first loss won't be relevant next year, giving us leeway to spend again to push for the CL. The problem is we're a year early, and hamstrung by previous moves.
You could argue it's all Fergusons fault
Where are you getting these numbers from?
All academic/youth team costs don't factor towards ffp, so that's a little more money clawed back, but basically yes.
Left bank can be a bit of a cattle mart too. I like ryan's. Brewery corner and the pumphouse are decent too.
So chelsea are skint too then? Seeing as they made a small profit last season, and a 50mill loss on this years books? So going by that calculation, they need to be in profit on the next set of books? And seeing as they've had a net spend between the summer and this window of -30mill, a profit is looking very very unlikely.
You think they wont be allowed in the champions league next season based on that? You think FFP will catch up with them? Will it fuck.
Until I see FFP in action, banning big clubs, then we can say it doesn't really exist. I would LOVE to see utd go over by 1mill and get banned from the champions league. Never going to happen.
I have to agree that there is going to be some fudging of epic proportions regarding FFP. Having said that, I think Chelsea will eat into that loss by selling de Bruyne and Mata. On the other hand, we have taken massive hits on Downing and Carroll, lost out massively on the Joe Cole and all the dross we ha loaded onto our books. And, of course, Abramovich can always inject "equity" into his club.
If the PSG deal is approved - they gave themselves retroactive sponsorship! - then it is a joke
FFP was never about an even playing field. If strictly enforced it would have cemented the status quo - sort of. Clubs with a big fan base (Man U, Real, Barca, Liverpool) would be able to generate more revenue and make it harder for smaller clubs like City to compete. Basically it would be protection for the aristocracy against the noveau riche.
The sugar daddy model is more interesting, as any club can theoretically land a disruptive billionaire. If you genuinely want an even playing field (and not just what is best for Liverpool), we need to look at how they do it in the US (no relegation/promotion, draft system, etc).
I never ever want to see the American model in football, I detest it.
I think elements of it would be good for the game - it's probably the only way to create real competition.
Why do you detest it @Mystic?
Ahem the ftp was intended for one purpose only...the corrupt FIFA officials saw this size of transfer fee bloating up over the last few years and decided that they want a share of the pie...
To that end it is functioning as intended....
How does it give FIFA a slice of the pie, though?
No relegation or promotion, buying into a league as a "franchise", relocating teams when they don't get enough attendance. Its repugnant and imo destroys the close connection fans have with clubs, in our current model, you can start a club in your hometown, and the sky's the limit, just look at Wigan, in the American model, only your wallet is the limit. Ironically for a sports system that has so many financial caps in place, its ruled but money even more sp than football here. Oh and also look at the ticket prices for the NFL for example, they cost a bomb.
Thanks for the clarity Ross. I was thoroughly confused by what FFP meant. Depressed that I know now. So Chelski are fine I assume with Mata's sale?
But the sky isn't really the limit though is it.
The Champions League is practically like the American model as it is.
There are some downsides as you rightly point out. But there are elements that could translate - such as a draft system or salary caps.
Ultimately the system in place in the premier league right now means that only 2 or 3 teams can realistically compete. The system is replicated in Spain, Germany, France and to a lesser extent in Italy but it shows that relegation/promotion are essentially pointless in a way and that the system gravitates to a norm whereby only minted teams have a chance. I think that many posters on here have lamented at some time or another about how they "hate football" - for this very reason.
A draft system or salary cap or loan limit would "level the playing field" just a little and I think that the competition could make it more exciting - thus allowing more supporters to feel a "connection" to a winning team (or at least a team with more than a snowflakes chance in hell of winning anything). It's something to ponder for sure.
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